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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i did the quiz and somehow got the tory answer on housing. what's the catch on their plan to build the most homes

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

TheRat posted:

They'll all go to landlords who will exploit the poo poo out of poor people

haha hell yeah thats my kind of cleverly worded nightmare policy

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

it kind of owns that the greens' housing policy is East Germany Lite



R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Rakosi posted:

There are a lot of people with rather extreme views ITT that they wouldn't actual share or say irl.

pretty sure many people itt do political work, myself included, and part of the deal is not concealing your sincerely held views. i think you're full of poo poo

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Tesseraction posted:

what's rhizzone like these days anyway? I seem to remember going to check it out and saw some charming post about how trans people should kill themselves which rather put me off but I hear it's nothing like that now?

its good and the few people with terrible opinions get shamed out of posting whenever they rear their heads

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Killed By Death posted:

Is Rhizzone one of those offsites that sprung up after LF got closed? I googled it to look and one of the first posters I saw was Getfiscal, which is, well, lol

it's the lf offsite that doesn't think jokes are counter-revolutionary

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

jBrereton posted:

it's the left realising that the right were having a lot of fun, as it turns out, and slowly becoming them, hth.

yeah it's definitely as simple as animal farm, thank you

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

chernobyl kinsman posted:

when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views that directly contradict the foundations of your society it can be a bit tough to keep falling back on "well thats their beliefs and i respect that" yea

majority eh

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Namtab posted:

I'm frowning at this post while raising a single eyebrow at the two mods posting itt atm

i don't have the buttons on my phone. he's not long for this world

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

SickZip posted:

He was a mentally ill bernie supporter with antifa sympathies. Quit trying to pin the lefts garbage on others

get your posting in now, dickhead

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Fog Tripper posted:

The one guy you 6'd did not say "evil" he said "when the majority of members of a religion hold hostilely intolerant views".

that is also false and worthy of probation. thanks for playing

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

BoneMonkey posted:

So a friend of mine has been talking to me about his political beliefs, and I have questioned him down from a Tory to a libdem.

But while he's starting to see all the problems with capitalism, he's asked the dreaded question, what does a socialist society look like?

The problem being is that I don't know.
Anyone got any good YouTube videos or links to what a good socialist or Communist society looks like?

I basically went something something worker coops something mondragon, I'll get back to you....

the way it's worked historically is there's a system of cooperatives on the firm level. elected decision-making boards composed of workers, managers and government officials handle day-to-day affairs and big company-wide meetings are held on a regular basis for accountability and the airing of grievances and concerns. managers do what managers do under capitalism but don't set their own rates of pay so are generally compensated at a similar level to their "laborer" peers. in lieu of profit making it into the pockets of capitalists, bonuses are shared equally or distributed on merit, depending on what the cooperative decides.

on a higher level than that, there's your local government and that's where party politics comes in. your ruling party in a socialist country typically has huge membership, millions and millions of people, who come from everywhere but are mostly workers. you join the party to run for office, to pursue higher education, to generally have a louder voice in the day-to-day workings of the state. local governments do the things local governments do under capitalism and more — mediate conflict, handle housing (free or ridiculously cheap), health care and education, the nuts and bolts of administrating and distributing the material gains that would normally be profit back to the people. this comes in the form of the free stuff we all like, plus subsidized travel, culture, low prices on necessities, etc.

you go up a rung higher and you get to national politics (there's provincial level stuff but it's not that interesting), which is where all the scary dictatorship things come in. there's committees and legislative bodies, ministries and bureaus to handle larger-scale affairs of state, macroeconomic plans, foreign policy and so forth. because this is the nerve center there's also a lot of ideological work.

this isn't 100 percent universal, since there were and are lots of different approaches and in the 21st century we don't know if socialism has to look exactly like this now. it probably doesn't. there's books about all this, political economies that get into the nitty gritty of how things shook out in the real world under socialism without falling in the easy trap of great man tyrant theory. i can link them if you're interested but they're not short or pithy so if you're interested in articulating it to someone else without boring them to death it'll take some time

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

TheRat posted:

If you want to show someone what a "Corbyn" society would look like, ask them to look up scandinavian countries.

you could also do this since the system i described isn't gonna happen from a fuckin election

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

spud posted:

Hey something really bad just happened in the UK, I will head over to DnD to see wha........nah......Still not working on reality like ordinary people.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

abolishing private property is the sort of thing that has the kind of widespread repercussions where you'd need a police force of some kind, if only to fight counter-revolution

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i was trying to be a little more subtle about it

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Oberleutnant posted:

I'm having to think about this right now as my gf wants me to move to Barcelona with her in the autumn, and on the one hand it would be amazing, but on the other hand the only Spanish I know is how to tell her I love her.

never spoken the language then eh

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Pat Mustard posted:

He stole Theresa May's twitter handle.

goddamn

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Miftan posted:

Give us our hammer & sickle icons!

ill have to think of some kind of task for people to earn them

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Miftan posted:

Praise stalin?

probably not, but you're thinking and that's what counts

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/872977269832261632

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

me irl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFUgYfLhZI

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

OwlFancier posted:

Yyyyyep. While Labour spent much of its post-blair time devoid of talent, so did the conservatives after Cameron. It's almost like building the entire party on one charismatic person is a bad idea!

are you implying cameron had charisma

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ThomasPaine posted:

I got Bolshevik. Sorry my dudes.

Welcome.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Namtab posted:

Where's the commie and or anarchist icons, tankie mod?

that's what the gang tag is for

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991



god bless

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Obliterati posted:

This seems like a great time to mention that this guy, who we had to throw out our Hearts of Iron group for being a Nazi oval office, refused to play anyone but Nazi Germany

gently caress off you Nazi oval office

lol

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