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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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Josef bugman
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Oberleutnant posted:

Just heard a big time tory say this to his companion.

I think that's an insult to Richard the III

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jabby posted:

For anyone who missed the Corbyn/Starmer/Thornberry/Gardiner tag team today, you can watch it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n6vDftR4Rk

It's a good watch. Corbyn is on good form, and Thornberry and Gardiner are clearly having the time of their loving lives with this campaign. Starmer looks equal parts happy and like he hasn't quite convinced himself it's not all a dream yet.

Could anyone tell me a bit more about the people other than Corbyn?

Josef bugman
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Lord_Adonis posted:

If sense does not return to the House of Commons, then I can see no alternative but for the Armed Forces to step in and allow for a government of national unity to be formed, which can put an end to this Brexit madness.

Mate, that's a teeny bit odd.

I don't think people are going to go for it, I think that the best we can hope for is a Norway style trade deal, and that wouldn't be bad necessarily. Maybe not as good as what we have now, but not bad.

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Are we going to be having end of last series of Game of Thrones "everyone gathered in the big church" moment.

Because if we are I would like to be prewarned.

Oh and I prefer the folkier stuff from Norway

Moddi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5FpPP4TSA

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What's this, the third relaunch in a campaign that has lasted just over a month? WTF?

Josef bugman fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 2, 2017

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I mean it might end up being Boris. Which would be endlessly horrifying.

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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

He's wrong on Brexit but hes right on the cancer of Regressive Social Justice

Please define what "regressive" aspects there are to societal justice.

Josef bugman
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Quick things guys a person I know from Uni who is very much a centreist posted this on FB:

quote:

What is the idea behind Corbyn dodging basic questions about whether the IRA engaged in terrorism? Is it a peace-process thing? Does he think that saying something like "Yes, they killed many people, and that is wrong and indefensible and I have always deplored it" would destabilise the situation?

Any response to this that'd satisfy?

Josef bugman
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Orange Devil posted:

Social democrats are not democratic socialists.

Still the best examples that can presently be pointed at.

I live in London, I "know" as much as anything that I am unlikely to be a victim to this sort of thing, but I do feel worried. But, if it comes right down to it, I realise the fear is irrational. I've been to those pubs, I was walking past parliament a day before the attack there. The thing is that I can't stop these things from happening, certainly not by getting scared every time it happens.

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spud posted:

Hey something really bad just happened in the UK, I will head over to DnD to see wha........nah......Still not working on reality like ordinary people.

Do you live and work in London?

I do. I have to go to work in a public facing role, maybe feeling scared about this. How should I feel, according to you? How scared should I be, according to you? Should I start to hate, according to you? Because I would loving love to hear your loving hot take about this sort of poo poo, I really would. So come on, tell me what I should be feeling.

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biglads posted:

It says the SNP were in support of Corbyn's motion doesn't it?

It does, but I did have to re-check in order to see I was reading it right.

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OwlFancier posted:

I mean, same, but a bit off message I think.

I would ask for clarification but I am not sure I want it.

Josef bugman
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Hoops posted:

He's a troll, he's having a joke, you're reacting to it, what the gently caress is wrong with all of you are you autistic

I never got why replying earnestly to a troll is a bad thing, fact is that there is something to be gained from asking people questions, even if you disagree with them/ they are trying to provoke a reaction.

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I assume they mean "Westminster" by the London borough... right?

Josef bugman
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Angepain posted:

well now I just want to read an anarchist homicide-detective novel. how will the process of forcing them to dramatically return their badge and gun in the second act be affected? these are the important questions

I think just saying "The badge and gun were loaned to you by the state. They must now be returned".

Josef bugman
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I just wanted to link this article:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/labour-reckoning

Because I really hope that the various people inside of it who predicted these things are suddenly turning to each other and going "huh".

Josef bugman
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So this whole I.R.A. Thingamajig, it really is nothing other than talking to people who'd be included in the Good Friday Agreement anyway?

Josef bugman
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Gum posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXbuqbFufn4


Sorry about the twat at the begining

I don't think Russel Howard is that bad. Prefer Bill Bailey though.

Josef bugman
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Thecanary is pretty poo poo. What is OAV?

Is it another angry voice? I thought he wasn't the worst of all of them?

Josef bugman
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So, and this is pure hypothetical, can the Conservatives just not propose any legislation over the next 5 years?

Like, if they are scared of not getting it through government, why not just put through small bills from various local causes that don't cause much of a fuss?

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I mean other than Brexit (which is going to be tricky anyway).

Like would they be able to do nothing for 4 years?

Josef bugman
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Is it loving match fixing at this point? Even at the most rattled virtually any other PM in the past 100 years would have known what to do in this situation.

Josef bugman
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Obliterati posted:

It's my own pet theory, but as politicians get ever more reliant on pliant media to do their campaigning for them, ever less competent/personable people can get to the top. Campaigners like May would have gone down in flames fifty years ago, where some degree of talking to unconvinced voters was required. Thatcher, for all her faults, would never have made unforced errors like May/Cameron. Instead you get folk like May, who are really good at the closed-door scheming needed to get handed a safe seat, into the Cabinet, positive media coverage from friendly journos, plunging knives into her colleagues, etc. May has never faced a serious political challenge in her life - this is literally the first time she's had to seriously engage with the electorate.

The political class self-selects for incompetence, and it's only ever going to get worse.

I mean on an academic level I understand this, but... I mean... these people lost their lives in their homes. A tragedy with obvious parralels to how the country is run couldn't be easier to find, and instead we have someone having such difficulty to stop making mistakes and almost insulting the people who have suffered, it almost beggars belief.

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Bacon Terrorist posted:

Can't believe how many loving turds think it's extreme to suggest victims of the fire are temporarily housed in some of the 20,000 vacant houses in London because 'it's not fair on the millionaires' apparently, it's possible the only way to get through to these idiots is with violence :smith:

Not necessarily, I still think it can be changed but people need to realise that money is worth basically nothing before you can really realise that "oh wait, its more important that people are clothed, fed and housed than we can say a small group of people made more money".

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forkboy84 posted:

Aren't most of the Russians who ended up with property in London the sort of people who aren't on the best of terms with the Putin regime? Your Berezovsky types.

There was a link a few pages back about how those sort tend to end up dead. Someone linked a buzzfeed article that had some strong implications that a deal was done to "shut up" some of Russia's people to encourage investment in London.

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Personally, and this is solely a personal opinion here, I hope that the Tories get in, get less and less popular, don't quite screw us entirely on Brexit and then Labour comes in at the end to start the rebuilding.

I am saying this because I think Brexit is, fundamentally, a poisoned cup to whichever party drinks from it.

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I am on minimum wage and I just about survive in London.

I have to dip into savings occasionally and I am sort of working 2 jobs, but its okay.

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Take home is about 1000 from my main job, plus about 130 pcm from my other.

625 all bills house
150-200 pcm on food of all sorts
100 (ish) on Charities, phone and gym.

I walk to work, go out for free stuff and my mum sends me a bit of pocket money every couple of months due to my brother still living at home.

I survive and I am looking for work.

Josef bugman
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forkboy84 posted:

That's some tight budgeting. I'm far too frivolous. I have stacks of books I insist I will read one day but that day probably isn't in the next year or two and yet I seem to always end up with more.

How many people do you live with for £625/month all bills included? Because that seems quite alright for London, but a quick search shows that for £650 you could live in a building with 5 other people. Which certainly isn't terrible but at the same time I'm not sure if I could actually handle it. Though I s'pose I'd just spend all my time in my room so not the end of the world. And that's Kensal Green area, which doesn't seem terrible as far as London locations go. Still. Point is, even if you're living with 4 or 5 other folk that's impressive reign on your budget, I'm impressed & jealous.

Me, my cousin and 3 others. It's not too bad really, the budget just gets saved up from holidays and birthdays. Sometimes I'll go out and have a meal (about once a week), but other than that it takes a lot of work. Its a pain in the rear end more than anything as I can't save up any money.

We do have a garden. I'm going to be growing some herbs over the next few months so that I don't have to buy them.

Josef bugman
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happyhippy posted:

No offense, but ditch paying to the gym and charities until you can get something better or some savings.
Sure its good to give to charities, but one accident or unforseen thing and you could be hosed.

I do have a fair amount set aside in savings, from when I was living at home/money from grandparents and I have a line to my folks in case something disastrous happens. I have resources to call on if necessary.

But thanks for the concern, others need the money more than I do though.

Josef bugman
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Jose posted:

if you're poor and still want to give to charity get on the bone marrow donor registry :thumbsup:

I believe I am on the organ doner registration. Will check if I can do bone marrow stuff.

Also that reminds me that I need to go and give blood over the course of the next week.

Josef bugman
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Jose posted:

anthony nolan has a big long list of questions you have to answer and then they send out a pack so you can give them a swab sample from the inside of your mouth

Awesome, will look into this.

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communism bitch posted:

We have a feeedom of information act yeah

I like to imagine you are saying the word "Fee" in an increasingly angry way with this.

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Day off due to how my leave falls at the museum. Going to hampstead heath for a mates birthday party, have a shittonne of beers.

Still too loving hot.

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Guavanaut posted:

It turned into a comedy for me right about "Had the Labour party had its wits about it, and elected Yvette Cooper as its leader"

The spectator is truly brilliant at being the idiot, who thinks their not, version of the Daily mail.

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VileLL posted:

just thought about the trocadero and got depressed for a bit

Eeesh that place is grim as all gently caress. When/why did it get as poo poo as it is?

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Barry Foster posted:

From a bit back, but this motherfucker look like a Harry Enfield character

He's right though - Tory policies, based as they are on just world theorising, are inherently appealing to children.

So, what does the article actually say? Is it just platitudes about "shhhh, we don't really need to reach out to the young, it'll get better, shhhhh".

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Without a penny going to the Murdoch empire:

That is really self-promoting and really really stupid. Does he believe that the word of random white guy number 545 is going to beat actual economists who think austerity is bullshit, or peoples lived experience of it? Or that the jobs are all 0 hour? Or that, as much as you might earn with a degree frequently people don't, and why do we have to pay for it if you don't? Also we can look into why third world countries are poor, frequently it's because of Capital investment and the backing up of warlords and shitheads by capitalists. And soemtimes people don't mind paying for things if they are going to be using them.

That and "Mention Venezuela"... Christ that is stupid.

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Pesmerga posted:

It's like the olds being stunned that 18 year olds didn't really give a poo poo about the IRA.

Its such an odd choice there aren't really all that many parallels.

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

They already have a medieval zone

How dare you insult the medieval period in this way!

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