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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Kurtofan posted:

so did corby win the debate

by default by being the only person who matters to show up

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

peanut- posted:

https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/870248643869200384

A noted Remain voter speaks

I feel like she might have genuinely forgotten that 48% of the country didn't vote for it.

Everytime a child says 'I don't believe in Brexit' there is a a little Englander somewhere that falls down dead.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


haha, I hope they press her on this. Staying home and watching it on the telly. loving shambles.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Lord of the Llamas posted:

It's not just London. They've closed a 20 point gap in Midlands/Wales and gone from a tie to 10 points ahead in the North in the crosstabs.

just because I hate being combined with the Midlands, they were 10 points to in Wales off a 20 point swing last time and there's a new Welsh poll this afternoon. Hopefully we'll consolidate our position as the best nation on this benighted isle.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Apparently Jeremy Corbyn is about to reveal Labour's stance on Brexit in a speech.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

mehall posted:

This could be a real misstep.


If he somehow got it right, it adds a percent or two to every poll we've seen, making the banding between 8% gap and 1%

sounds like he's going to play it safe

quote:

The choice is not between Brexit or no Brexit, but between The Labour Party's Brexit for jobs and the Conservatives' Brexit which will be a risk to jobs across our country.

Ahead of my speech about how Labour will ensure Brexit works for the many, watch our broadcast →

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Lovechop posted:

oh hell yeah



motion to refer to Corbyn as Corbzy and the position of Prime Minister as Grime Minister on a permanent basis from now on.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Seeing Corbyn bring them up on stage today made me realise Labour should be pushing Keir Starmer/Emily Thornberry/Barry Gardiner as their Brexit negotiation team as opposed to BoJo/David Davis/Liam Fox. One of those teams definitely are a lot more presentable and strong/stable and it's not the Tory team.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

waffle posted:

If we're talking about local races now I think Southampton Itchen stands a decent chance of being a Labour gain--I wish the local party were focusing on it a little more (they're focused on keeping Southampton Test), but realistically that won't make a big difference in the end. I think because of the UKIP vote it'll prove harder to win than other marginals, if Labour win Itchen they'll likely be a long way towards forming a government.

YouGov reckon Southampton Itchen is leaning Labour fwiw.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Here's a somewhat more sober projection of the election result

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870384517202182146

they've just used a uniform national swing and ignored subnational polling in London and Wales though. They have Gower (Con Maj: 26) as a 7% chance of switching hands which is more ridiculous than even some of those YouGov projections.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Unkempt posted:

What's the black blob in, um, Reading or something?

Buckingham, it's Bercow.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

baka kaba posted:

Not to be a jerk but isn't BritainElects basically a twitter feed that reposts poll results and keeps a rolling average? What model are these bold predictions arising from

plugging in that rolling average and doing a uniform national swing from it. As a model, it's terrible. YouGov's is pretty good as a model, it's just hard to get enough data to produce a sensible and accurate result for it.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

That's an interesting thought. And my feeling is he isn't especially disliked and, despite campaigning for Remain, he delivered Brexit. I could see it happening too.

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Pissflaps posted:

Sturgeon warming up this tactic from 2015 to help the Tories

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/870552710466199552

gently caress the SNP, accelerationist little shits that they are

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

tithin posted:

The SNP loving loathe the tories, are you surprised that they'd take any opportunity they could to utterly gently caress them?

it's already been explained but they're utterly loving Labour (and subsequently everyone else), not the Tories by saying stuff like this. They want another Tory government because that's one of the conditions to make independence likelier.

multijoe posted:

Regardless of whatever you think she may be inferring or the chances of a Labour/SNP coalition

Sturgeon as the speaker would be implying meaning, a listener infers meaning from what the speaker is saying.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Remember Ipsos Mori are using historical trends to determine youth vote, so do everything in your power to get the loving vote out. That raw polling data is magical.

https://twitter.com/BobbyIpsosMORI/status/870598290659844096

does anyone have an update on that guy who was tweeting Labour's ceiling?

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Are the Russians MOMENTUM hacking the election???

quote:

Just a quick question which I would usually post on UKPolitics but it's such a poo poo show there with the momentum take over that I thought I'd post here.

In fact it's very much on the same topic... Would it be possible for an organisation like momentum to sign up on mass to join opinion polls such as yougov to swing those polls in their favour?

I'm pretty sure if this was happening it would be called out by the alt media but these hard left types seem to be very good at getting coach loads of followers to get involved in such things.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

He's answered this before. He thinks that any result where the Conservatives are still in government means Corbyn should resign. even if Labour get a bigger share of the vote than they got in 2005.

tbf, they got 35% of the vote with the Lib Dems on 22%. We're basically a two party state right now outside of Scotland.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

namesake posted:

Who were Farrons rivals for the leadership? Because no matter how awful they are they must just be furious that they lost to this guy.

Norman Lamb I think.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

I read that Alastair Campbell tweet as him promoting his son's piece not necessarily endorsing Corbyn himself.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I oppose the regressive left's interpretation of social justice

you know I can totally imagine the thing in your avatar making your posts

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

qhat posted:

Just popping in from six months ago to say that Corbyn is completely unelectable and needs to go

Labour will get 24% of the vote (I think this is still Dan Hodge's line so he can continue his streak of being wrong about everything)

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

It's been two years since Jeremy Corbyn announced he was standing for leadership of the Labour Party.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

ronya posted:

two-thirds is not enough to achieve the YouGov scenario, which iirc requires something like 80% youth turnout

Not quite...

quote:

Take our most recent poll. After we had weighted our sample, taken account of how likely people say they are to vote, and weighted down the answers of those people who didn’t vote last time, we were left with a sample that implies turnout of 51% among people under 25 and 75% among people aged 65+; a turnout gap of 24 points between young and old

turnout in the referendum for 18-24 year olds was 63%, please vote and go do GOTV stuff if you are able.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

YouGov's seat projections updated

Conservative 42% 308
Labour 38% 261

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

ThomasPaine posted:

poo poo if those numbers were accurate corbs would be pm

SNP on 47, making it a dead heat, so it would all rest on the shoulders of Tim loving Farron. I wonder what Corbyn's policy on turning frogs gay is.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Raeg posted:

Maybe I'm still in shock from Trump but at this point, I don't even know if favourability as thing matters that much any more.

Trump was viewed more unfavourably yes, but Clinton also had negative favourability ratings too and while Trump divided opinion between adulation and hatred, Clinton mainly ranged for burning hatred to apathetic but a better choice than the alternative in the opinions of most Americans.

I guess that can kinda apply to this election too. I honestly am starting to believe that Corbyn might actually end up Prime Minister.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Jose posted:

clinton campaigned on the basis that you shouldn't vote for trump and never gave the electorate a reason to vote for her and the tories are doing the same lol

people gave her poo poo for not campaigning in the mid west but Big Tess went one step further and didn't campaign anywhere lmao

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Mr. Flunchy posted:

If there was a hypothetical Labour/SNP coalition, is it to be taken for granted that the SNP would demand a guaranteed Indyref 2?

I don't know, polls have yes losing badly even with the prospect of a Tory Brexit dystopia looming. Surely they'd realise Corbyn's ideals align with a lot of independence leaning courts and could switch them over to no and thrice in a generation vote is an even harder sell to a British government than twice in a generation.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

I'm just excited for the return of people analysing politics like it's football. "It's as if Spurs and Man City put their points together and declared themselves the Premier League champions".

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

The absolute dream scenario, of course, being a Lab/SNP coalition/working agreement with Labour doing to the SNP what the Tories did to the Lib Dems.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Unlikely scenario that, because it doesn't address the abysmal uselessness of Scottish Labour. Which is a disaster so big that even Jeremy Corbyn can't fix it. Hell, ronya's Lord & Saviour Tony Blair couldn't invigorate that complacent mess.

that's what makes it an "absolute dream" scenario. I guess it would rely on Corbyn being a good enough Prime Minister to encourage more intelligent and competent Scottish people involved in the party but I still have doubts about his ability as a leader even as my doubts about his capability of winning the election.

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

But there's a fairly big overlap between policies SNP voters and Labour (not SLab) voters would agree on. It's barely even comparable to the Lib Dem/Tory coalition, where they basically had no policies in common.

this, on the other hand, makes it more or less likely. Yeah, a lot of the more left wing SNP voters would probably agree with most of Corbyn's supporters on policy decisions. Corbyn-led Labour is closer to both sets of supporters in actual ideology and not just in rhetoric.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Namtab posted:

Why would the guy admit that?

one of my parent's neighbours still had a BNP poster prominently displayed in his window last time I went back (2015).

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

GaussianCopula posted:

How did it feel when pollsters were utterly humiliated in 2015 or 2016?

they weren't in 2016. They called Brexit fairly accurately and people just ignored what the polls were saying. There was a lot of "things always slide back to the status quo"


ComRes haven't published their turnout predictions like YouGov have but they're basing it on historical data, so they're probably estimating a lower young voter turn out than we might actually get if you're looking for a silver lining.

They're also getting a massive change from their raw data because they're allocating don't knows to whichever party's leader the respondent said would make the best Prime Minister which would have got them the correct result in 2015 apparently if you're looking for a reason to not get your hopes up and follow the ComRes poll. I do think the difference between the perception of Cameron and Miliband's competence was probably wider than that of Corbyn and May though.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Aurubin posted:

Who did the Guardian endorse last time, the Lib Dems?

Labour

This discrepancy among the polls is interesting, it's looking more and more like ComRes are the outlier and not YouGov, so either they'll look really stupid or their methodology will probably become the new gold standard for calling British elections.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Corbyn just posted that Labour are suspending campaigning until this evening after consulting with the other parties.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

https://twitter.com/sam_kriss/status/870999588806766592

Related: does anyone have links to the three fanfics written about Corbyn becoming Prime Minister back during the original leadership election? There was a Daily Mail one where the country becomes Venezuela and Trump sends in peacekeeping troops, a loving hilarious Guardian one where Corbyn becomes a milquetoast liberal and fires McDonnell to make Chuka Umunna chancellor and everyone loves him and then a parody one where the Labour right form a resistance to Corbyn who has switched the national anthem to a dubstep version of The Internationale and everything catches fire.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


the difference being that UKIP are saying they're still campaigning and tbh have a good reason to do so. May has said she's suspending campaigning but is announcing policy proposals directly related to the incident that caused the suspension of campaigning. UKIP are being honest and open with what they're doing, Tories aren't.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012


would red jezza have nuked london bridge to stop this attack?

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GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Jose posted:

so calling out saudi arabia is going mainstream

Saudi Arabia themselves are calling out Qatar and banned them from joining in their bombing of Yemen.

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