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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Paperhouse posted:His opening speech was laughable but he's had some decent rebuttals so far He got some stick from the SNP over his 3 line whip for Article 50. The SNP is very much pro remain and it's worth it to keep that particular flag flying.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:You've got a week to get that as a registered charity. Also the current prize pool would buy you two new brake pads, so I wouldn't be picking out what type of animals you want to die for the upholstery in your new Bentley just yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Zfd2Kzw1k
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Jun 1, 2017 14:10
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Jakabite posted:Odds on Macarius Welch being under 18? Sounds like the sort of Edgelord bullshit I'd have said 6 or 7 years ago. He wanted Runrig's Loch Lomond as a national anthem so yeah probs.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:49
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forkboy84 posted:Grime is legitimately cool. There's a great independent, DIY attitude through a lot of the scene, by necessity because until recently it was pretty overlooked despite the occasional breakthrough of a Dizzee Rascal or a Lethal Bizzle. And incidentally, grime era Dizzee Rascal remains loving rad. And then guys like JME & Skepta are willing to be activists as well as musicians. The Scottish folk revival.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DeiLjVEc_U
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Jun 1, 2017 16:01
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Regarde Aduck posted:It doesn't help that the attitude, sometimes by people in this thread, is "if you're successful you'll just move down south anyway". Way to miss the point. Which is that there shouldn't be a reason successful people flee from part of what is a relatively small nation. You fix the loving problem! I remember bashing my head against the seat in front of me during a QA with Blair Jenkins when a law student at Aberdeen uni said "all of the good legal jobs are in London, won't independence make it much harder for me to move there and get a job?" and just argh.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:03
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kustomkarkommando posted:You've got to register it as a description with the electoral commission - Looking at it this year the Tories added "The Conservative and Unionist Party" (which I guess they must have stopped using) "Conservatives" and "Scottish Conservative Party Candidate" Just in case people forgot, Aberdeen Labour "made it happen" if "it" was going into coalition with the Tories and independents to lock out the majority SNP councillors, getting themselves kicked out of the party in the process, leaving Aberdeen City Council being run by a coalition of 9 Tories and 13 independents.
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Jun 7, 2017 11:16
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peanut- posted:In what sense is this true? Serious question. It's a national election, is Scottish Labour a meaningfully distinct entity from the rest of the Labour party at Westminster? Also, there is zero loving chance that SNP MPs would vote for anything other than a Corbyn government (leaving themselves open to be accused of getting a Tory government would ruin them), and many SNP MPs are further to the left than Corbyn (Black, Shepherd). There are something like 12 seats where Tories might beat the SNP in Scotland, and people leaving the SNP to vote Labour will risk splitting the vote and letting in the Tories. The one current Labour MP, Ian Murray, is virulently anti-Corbyn, and would probably be part of any future Blairite coup attempt. Voting Labour in Scotland is... Not a good idea, at least if you want a Corbyn government.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:02
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mediadave posted:On a yellow-draped platform an orator of the Inner Party, a small lean man with disproportionately long arms and a large bald skull over which a few lank locks straggled, was haranguing the crowd. A little Rumpelstiltskin figure, he gripped the neck of the microphone with one hand while the other, enormous at the end of a bony arm, clawed the air menacingly above his head. His voice, made metallic by the amplifiers, boomed forth on how Scottish Labour was merely a branch office of London Labour. It was almost impossible to listen to him without being first convinced and then maddened. At every few moments the fury of the crowd boiled over and the voice of the speaker was drowned by a wild beast-like roaring that rose uncontrollably from thousands of throats. The most savage yells of all came from the schoolchildren. The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the narratives were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Scottish labour were not at all a branch office of London Labour! They were a quite separate party! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong narrative on them. It was sabotage! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. Yawn. Slab under Lamont were treated like a branch office by a highly centralised Blairite Labour party, that then installed über-Blairites to run it (Jim Murphy), where it remained a faithful servant of the Blairite faction while Corbyn rose. It's been a perfectly understandable transition from ineffective branch office of the Blairites when they controlled the entire party, to a separately run shambles of a party hanging on to its Blairite power grasping because it's the only thing they know how to do. Lamont used to announce leftist policies she'd have to roll back two days later when HQ realised it was too left-wing for their centrist triangulation. The situation now has Dugdale putting forward centre-right triangulating positions to win back voters from the Tories and being contradicted by Corbyn. How this happened is entirely understandable, and it's not some weird manipulative attempt at Orwellian reality bending. poo poo changes.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:11
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forkboy84 posted:Scottish Labour isn't some sort of loving monolith. There are good candidates & bad candidates. A good Labour candidate is better than an SNP candidate unless the only thing you care about is nationalism. But hey, if Corbyn is PM that reduces a lot of peoples desire for independence, including myself. Except don't be an idiot in Berwickshire, Dumfriesshire, Ayr, or Ochil, because the Tories might win there. Goddammit FPTP is a lovely cynical voting system, so use it cynically and pragmatically.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:20
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forkboy84 posted:So wait, are you made that ScotLab is a branch office, or are you mad that they are now independent of central HQ & not following the Corbyn line. Make up your loving minds eh? That's my point. It used to be one thing, now it's the other, the reason for that is very understandable and clear, and the party has managed to be in the wrong in both cases. At least Lamont loving tried.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:21
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forkboy84 posted:The choice in Ochil is between a Tory & an ex-Tory. Voting for a good Labour Party candidate is entirely justifiable. Even an ex-Tory in the SNP follows the goddamm party whip. Look at her loving voting record. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25274/tasmina_ahmed-sheikh/ochil_and_south_perthshire/votes How you can say that's not preferable to a literal Tory MP and risk letting in an actual Tory MP to appease your principles is dumb dumb dumb.
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Jun 7, 2017 12:38
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Flatscan posted:Once a Tory, always a Tory, doesn't matter how much tartan you dress it up in. Consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas Consistently voted for investigations into the Iraq war Consistently voted against replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system Almost always voted for more EU integration Consistently voted against a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU Almost always voted for a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK Consistently voted for UK membership of the EU Consistently voted against military action against ISIL (Daesh) Consistently voted for paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability Almost always voted against a reduction in spending on welfare benefits Consistently voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax We don’t have enough information to calculate Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh’s position on increasing the rate of VAT. Consistently voted against higher taxes on alcoholic drinks Consistently voted for higher taxes on banks Almost always voted against more restrictive regulation of trade union activity We don’t have enough information to calculate Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh’s position on reducing capital gains tax. Consistently voted against reducing the rate of corporation tax Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance Has never voted on stronger tax incentives for companies to invest in assets Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure Consistently voted against an equal number of electors per parliamentary constituency Consistently voted against fewer MPs in the House of Commons Consistently voted for a wholly elected House of Lords Consistently voted for removing hereditary peers from the House of Lords Almost always voted for transferring more powers to the Welsh Assembly Consistently voted for transferring more powers to the Scottish Parliament Voted a mixture of for and against more powers for local councils Consistently voted against a veto for MPs from England, Wales and Northern Ireland over laws specifically impacting their part of the UK Generally voted for a lower voting age Consistently voted against a stricter asylum system Consistently voted against requiring the mass retention of information about communications Almost always voted against stronger enforcement of immigration rules Generally voted against mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities Has never voted on merging police and fire services under Police and Crime Commissioners Almost always voted for measures to prevent climate change Consistently voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas Consistently voted for new high speed rail infrastructure 
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Jun 7, 2017 13:02
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Cerv posted:the rank hypocrisy, you were happy to advocate before the opposite direction of travel. Excuse me? WeAreTheRomans posted:Why would Shinners speak in Scottish Gaelic rather than Gaeilge? Is Gaeilge maybe not an official UK language? Dunno. Gaidhlig is though.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:17
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MikeCrotch posted:The problem with this line of thinking is it treats constituencies like fiefs of the SNP which cannot be challenged, when in several of these cases the SNP have won once, two years ago. They do not have some ordained right to demand fealty from other parties. It means you need to decide what's more important, the importance you attach to a lovely cynical vote in principle, or not having Tory MPs.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:21
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I've got a good egg on my Facebook who posted this, might be worth some of you reposting it if you're in labour/snp marginals (if only there were any) Read the comments on this page (and maybe the last one). The best way to keep Tories out of Scottish seats is voting SNP, except maybe Edinburgh South.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:29
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Oh good the fan club. Give up the party line mate, if I wanted that, I'd be asking the National. There isn't a chance of a Labour candidate beating an SNP one except Ian Murray. There is a very good chance of Labour votes letting in the Tories in 13 seats. That's just a fact.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:34
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forkboy84 posted:5 more Labour MPs is a good thing. Especially when the SNP have ruled out a coalition. If you're referring to Miliband, he repeatedly ruled out any kind of arrangement.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:43
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forkboy84 posted:No, I'm referring to 1979. Ah, the time Labour (scottish labour, even) hosed itself over by betraying the SNP with an undemocratic devolution referendum state, yeah, that's totally the SNP's fault.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:48
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forkboy84 posted:Well, yes, nobody forced them to vote with the Tories to force an election that saw the SNP lose 9 seats, Labour lose 50 & Margaret Thatcher become PM. You're really gonna blame the SNP for the stupid stupid stupid 40% quoracy threshold that they were warned against doing a million times?
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Jun 7, 2017 13:51
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forkboy84 posted:No, I blame Labour for the stupid referendum, I blame the SNP for voting with the Tories in the the vote of confidence that lead to the rise of Thatcher. Said that already. Labour knew it would trigger a no confidence vote. Labour lost the election. The stupid referendum was an incredible betrayal, they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Jun 7, 2017 13:56
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The big problem with intelligence is that data collecting ability vastly exceeds data analysis ability. Security authorities get swamped with emails and phone calls and keywords and loving EVERYTHING but it needs human analysts to make it in any way relevant, and there's just too much of it.
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Jun 7, 2017 14:54
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TheRat posted:You know them better than I do, but this strikes me as very harsh They might privately "want" it but not politically- they would lost a lot of support if they actually didn't prop up the better anti-Tory option.
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Jun 7, 2017 15:29
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botany posted:I just saw that real wages have dropped by 10.4% in the UK from 2007 to 2015. How much has that been a campaigning issue? Nowhere near as much as it should have been.
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Jun 7, 2017 18:46
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I've been drinking Fraoch and I've resigned myself to a further five years of being angry at everyone and going full saltire mad. Not much else to do eh.
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Jun 7, 2017 23:53
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Al-Saqr posted:is Labour getting 40.4 good? There is absolutely no chance of the SNP voting for anything other than a Jeremy Corbyn Queen's Speech. We've been over this. An SNP MP is effectively a Labour MP in terms of who becomes PM.
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Jun 7, 2017 23:54
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Prince John posted:Wow. What do they think about the moon landings? That would be good for labour, yeah. The problem Scottish labour is always going to have though is the constitutional issue- no UK Labour party is ever going to be ok with supporting independence, and as long as Scottish politics is split along constitutional lines... It's going to take a radical restructuring and some serious home rule poo poo to change that, and Scotlab will be stuck between leftwing yes supporters and rightwing unionists until then. Hell, even Neil Findlay went all weird and sectarian.
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Jun 8, 2017 00:12
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What was the difference between the expected youth turnout for Cleggmania and the actual turnout? Is the expected turnout comparable to what was going on with the youth back then?
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Jun 8, 2017 00:21
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Goddammit the idiot Slab people are going to let in the Tories. Where's Detritus when you need him.
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Jun 8, 2017 00:39
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toiletbrush posted:I overslept so didnt manage to vote this morning, but will be voting Labour later on, same as my brother and sister-in-law. Alas despite my brother being extremely well read on politics, working (loosely) in the field and thoroughly schooling us all on why we should vote labour, my parents are both voting conservative. My dad's reason is that he thinks the tories will be better for the economy - are there any articles or videos from economists explaining the implications one way or the other? I remember there were some great ones for Brexit. https://benjaminstudebaker.com/2017/06/06/britain-for-the-love-of-god-please-stop-theresa-may/
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Jun 8, 2017 14:08
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This Leeds guy looks like a vampire.
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Jun 9, 2017 00:49
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Thank gently caress for Mhairi Black.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:33
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Gonzo McFee posted:She's the best SNP MP, Black is the best MP, end of.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:40
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Did labour split the vote in Angus. I bet they did.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:55
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Extreme0 posted:I bet you didn't read the full results dipshit. I did after posting that. Yep.
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Jun 9, 2017 02:05
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BigRed0427 posted:So the SNP isn't a "Left leaning" Party then? SNP is a broad as gently caress tent, difficult to get 56 of 59 seats in 2015 otherwise.
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Jun 9, 2017 02:08
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gently caress gently caress SCOTTISH LABOUR FOREVER
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Jun 9, 2017 02:20
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serious gaylord posted:Scotland are effectively voting on indyref 2. The snp lost. Another huge swing from snp straight to the tories has cost Tasmin her seat No they're loving not, SNP ditched second indyref commitment.
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Jun 9, 2017 02:33
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loving Blair McDougall. gently caress.
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Jun 9, 2017 02:41
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Lads I'm away to have an aneurysm. See you in valhalla.
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My gf is busy throwing popcorn kernels at Clegg on the screen.
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