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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Bangin' OP, very good photographs.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I'm not from England, I don't know how things work over there, but why are Lib Dems in this election? Weren't they completely destroyed last time you guys decided to have an election? How are they still claiming to be a political party? That is not dead which can eternal lie about their policies, and with strange aeons even frogs may stop being gay because of chemicals.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:11
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Paperhouse posted:The poll in the OP with Labour as blue and Conservatives as red is triggering me. mods? ? It's Labour red and Con Blue for me.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:15
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Reposting this since it was posted in what I assume was the middle of a debate: I mean, that you got lib dem might just mean you're not that well acquainted with UK politics.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:20
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Sikkerhet sounds like some kind of radical heterosexual death metal group.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:32
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And Lesbisk sounds like something second wave feminists give their daughters when they're teething.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:33
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Angepain posted:My winning strategy of "pick the closest Swedish word you know of and then attempt to translate it with your A2-on-a-good-day level Swedish" is just about working here, but regardless of your crazy singsong language skills, clicking on that article and seeing the reveal of the full picture is a pro click.  That loving hair.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:34
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Oh god can all our our news be in Norwegian from now on, I can barely understand it but I'm having such fun with the words.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:35
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Shat it you panikkslagen.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:37
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Well as it was presented to me... UKIP was pro NHS privatization until very recently.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:39
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Now explain why some people want to do away with fuel subsidies for flights and not expand your airports? Green party, one would assume? They're basically luddites.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:44
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Vitamin P posted:On reflection Farrons Cheeky Chappy routine was significantly more embarrassing than Mays no-show. Remember that your baseline for that is Tim Farron Existing. spectralent posted:But also yeah the main reason I can never vote green ever is because I studied a science and the Greens either don't understand or don't care about science. In fairness nor do most politicians.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:48
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:6 to 8 hours is a long period of time. If I could fly for a reasonable price as I understand you can in England to these places that I go in America I would. That is the point.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:51
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Sure you can. 20%-30% of carbon emissions come from livestock. Only like 10% come from planes. If that. Planes are pretty green compared to cars. And far less so than trains. Trains are good. spectralent posted:They make less of a big deal about the environment, though, and the environment is fundamentally a scientific, evidence-based issue. If you care about the environment, pay attention to scientists. Otherwise you're just doing hippy grandstanding. I would probably argue that the prevailing attitude is that the environment doesn't really matter, which is also a bollockfeel position.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:58
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spectralent posted:Well, yes, but "The environment doesn't matter, because capitalism" shouldn't be met with "the environment does matter, because ~gaia~". Not ideally no, but I'll take sappy hippies over people who are liable to gently caress us over out of malice. Alas most human activity is emotional, not cognitive, so any political party advocating for saving the planet is going to attract a lot of people who want to do that by singing at it and holding hands. What you'd want is the technocratic party, which sadly would also attract a bunch of silicon valley techbros, because you can even approach science in a cargo cult fashion. I mean I'm a bloody commie mostly out of a mix of spite and idealism so I don't feel qualified to complain about the greens. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 01:04
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Paperhouse posted:Yeah but... do they want the Tories to win Probably?
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Jun 1, 2017 01:14
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Middlesbrough South is even more awkward because we've got a new MP standing, the UKIP vote is enough to completely destabilize the constituency, and the Labour vote has been dropping steadily and would be on course to fall below the tories this election. I have no loving idea how it's going to go here.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:27
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Historically over here that's why you bring capital to heel as sharply as possible.spectralent posted:The issue is the environment is a fundamentally scientific issue. The sterling example being nuclear power and research thereof; the greens are staunchly opposed to it, because it sounds a bit labcoaty. I concur, but still, practically as long as you're having public participation in politics your chocies are between nuclear bad because scary, nuclear good because cool, environment bad because money, environment good because trees.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:30
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spectralent posted:Pretty scary how many people I have to explain fundamental aspects of the UK democratic process to on a regular basis, tbh, so this doesn't surprise me.  I'm doing this in real life.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:38
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:So based on the Yougov projections the Tories will not take a majority correct? Yes parties can make coalitions, we had one until 2015. There isn't really much of a left other than Labour but if the conservatives cannot secure a majority they will be in deep poo poo. Minority governments are a thing but we haven't had one for a long time and they tend not to work out well. The comedy option is that remainaholic Tim Farron goes into coalition with the tories and does a brexit. I think the lib dem base might actually catch fire. The government is formed by parliament holding a vote to establish one, it can do this without a majority as long as everyone consents to it. Otherwise we reroll the election until a government happens.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:51
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spectralent posted:The Lib Dems would be finished if he did this. It's all they have left. I still think the lib dems actually are powered by phylacteries and cannot die a true death but it would be hilarious.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:52
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MrL_JaKiri posted:In the actual meaning of the word, rather than the pejorative one! I know it's great! I was inordinately pleased by that.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:56
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:What about the SNP? Plaid Cymru? Green Party? I though they were considered left? SNP have an image of being "progressive" but they are not particularly left, PC and the greens account for, what, three MPs? The lib dems were in government with the tories from 2010 to 2015... I thought you said you followed UK politics. E: PC have 3 seats, so four between the two parties.
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Jun 1, 2017 01:59
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hakimashou posted:What actually does happen if there's no majority or coalition to be made after the election, if they can't pass a budget or whatever? Then you have no government and the election happens again until you do. That is where "confidence and supply" comes from. Confidence establishes the government, supply means you vote for the budget.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:02
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I do somewhat. Left is economics, "progressive" is social. Lib dems are progressive, sometimes, but definitely not left. Traditionally there is very sparse connection between economic leftism and social progressivism in terms of stuff like gay marriage and drug legalization, blair notoriously liked banning lots of stuff. More recently Labour has been integrating a lot of good social policy into its platform but it's not something you should take for granted and it's also something that parties will advocate for in the same breath as laissez faire economics. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 02:04
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I mean the bloody Tories even passed gay marriage through gritted teeth under Cameron so that should illustrate that there are social policies that have nothing to do with where you sit on a lot of domestic/economic policy.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:09
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To put it in US terms I guess that Labour currently would probably more like, erm, maybe DSA? Liberals would be the Democrats, Tories would be... pfff, actually Tories would probably be the Democrats under Hilary to be honest in a lot of ways, though they inherit the Reagan legacy of "gently caress the government" which puts them similar to the Republicans and they also have the nasty old + money wing who would probably be all for a lot of the other republican positions. UKIP vacillates between being libertarians or insane trumpers.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:13
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Spangly A posted:the republicans have that religious bent which gives them a socially regressive stance that's only really matched by specific individuals, like most tories, or tim farron Yeah we don't really have a party alternative to them because that part hides behind the "nice" side of the tory party and doesn't have as overt a say on policy.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:16
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:You say that the SNP isn't to the left on economics but I assume the SNP aren't sitting happily as the NHS is destroyed and sold off by the Tories or food benefits for school children are taken from them. Broadly, I don't think they really care about that because the SNP are nationalists. They are, in many ways, a single issue party, which is that they want Scotland to be independent of the rest of the UK. The UK falling to bits is good for them because it makes people want to vote for independence because Scotland skews, in many ways, very anti-tory. Tories running the country is a boon to the SNP. They have limited power in Scotland because we have limited devolved powers but what power they have has not, generally, been used consistently to enact very leftist policies. They trend towards lower tax, cutting services, and not doing much in general, making them distressingly similar to the tories or the liberals. quote:Because in the United States, the conservative party is all against these. They don't want any kind of public funds in healthcare, don't want any kind of public retirement program, and kind of public housing program, wants to sell all public infrastructure including parks to large corporations and anyone who does support any other policies is simply considered a economic leftist. The tories also want that here, they're functionally reaganites, trying to dismantle the government except where it can be used to profit the rich. The EU itself is in a lot of ways entirely compatible with this view because the EU is a massive free market capitalist institution and it doesn't, really, like state intervention in the market. The tory party, I should remind you, was officially pro-remain. Theresa may was pro remain until she took office. The big business side of the UK political scene is pro europe because it makes them a lot of money. But the tory party also contains a lot of the xenophobes and is pandering to the UKIP vote as well, so the party is split between the group that wants to make money and the group that wants to stay in power by riding the UKIP wave. Every party in the UK wants its own thing, none of them like each other and they will not co-operate any more than they absolutely have to. The exceptions being the tiny parties like greens/PC because they don't have anything to lose. The EU is not leftist, the tories are not, entirely, anti EU, nor are Labour, the SNP are entirely after their own ideological commitment to Scottish nationalism and independence, the liberals are entirely after power, Labour's democratic socialist wing is currently holding the reins and is ideologically committed to government spending and control of the economy for the benefit of the majority. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 02:26
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:Crazy how little foreign policy there is in that. Probably knowing how much Corbyn seems to side with the Russians - which worries me. The UK has very little to do with Russia other than financially because it's the financial capital of the continent, and anything it did have to do with Russia militarily would require the co-operation of the EU. I don't think Corbyn gets on particularly well with invasion happy plutocrat Vladimir Putin, somehow, and I don't see why you would think that. ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I assumed the SNP came to power because of the drop of funding to their constituencies due to the collapse of the labour party and in order to move their government more to the left which was prevented by the Tories. And I always assumed that once Labour came to power that they would be more than happy to work with them to pursue their ultimate goal of a more equal Scotland. That is almost entirely wrong, the SNP came to power because Labour has historically been very strong in Scotland but has failed to deliver much of substance there for some time and had become complacent. They are utterly opposed to Labour because Labour is unionist. The SNP have been around a long time and their goal has always been to get Scotland out of the political control of the rest of the UK, nothing more and nothing less. Equality has nothing to do with it. They are nationalists. They have made overtures to the left to co-opt the traditional Labour vote, but primarily they are trying to use Scottish antipathy towards the tories to split the country off, regardless of whether that would actually be helpful, and they will continue to pursue that to the expense of everything else regardless of its tenability. They would not, in all likelihood, vote with the Tories because that would seriously damage their credibility at home, but their support of Labour is far from guaranteed either. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Jun 1, 2017 02:31
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Was Theresa May actually out campaigning or anything during that debate? I'm hoping someone looks up her schedule or photographs her down the pub or something.
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Jun 1, 2017 02:51
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ISeeCuckedPeople posted:I though the UK subsidized them? It does.
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Jun 1, 2017 03:11
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ThomasPaine posted:Yeah that's my constituency and I'm probably going to vote Labour but then I'm also thinking: My advice would genuinely be to vote to keep the tories out. The SNP are gobshites but Scotland as you say seems to be swinging distressingly Tory so keeping their numbers down is something I would be concerned about.
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Jun 1, 2017 03:13
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One of the nice things about UKMT is when people are wrong they get told so and if they don't like it they get told to gently caress off. It's a microcosm of ideal society.
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Jun 1, 2017 13:56
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Anidav posted:So should I bet money on a Labor minority? You should always bet on the result you don't want because then when it happens you get money as consolation.
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Jun 1, 2017 13:58
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Apparently I like grime??
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Jun 1, 2017 14:39
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Baron Corbyn posted:sounds like he's going to play it safe I feel like "there is no choice" is a bit of a risky statement. I mean, it's true, but it's true because he's decided it.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:49
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forkboy84 posted:Grime is legitimately cool. There's a great independent, DIY attitude through a lot of the scene, by necessity because until recently it was pretty overlooked despite the occasional breakthrough of a Dizzee Rascal or a Lethal Bizzle. And incidentally, grime era Dizzee Rascal remains loving rad. And then guys like JME & Skepta are willing to be activists as well as musicians. Yeah I'm going through some on youtube and it's really good.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:53
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forkboy84 posted:Remember that time an idiot Labour Culture Minister dismissed the entire scene as racist? Ahh, Blairism. Wait what? How does that work?
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Firos posted:Wiley (King of Grime or something) did a thing at my SU way back in 2012. He turned up 2 hours late, was poo poo, got booed offstage, then went on to post on Twitter about how the students at my uni were "lizard students". Were they?
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