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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
We need an age cap. If your average life expectancy means you probably won't last a full term, then you don't get a vote. Sensible older people will see the logic, it will be the OLD, LOUD, AND FRIGHTENED who kick off about it and they are exactly the people we want to exclude. Boomer generation are now firmly in this category.

Will cut out all of the bullshit where governments build policy around people who are nearly dead because they know they are the biggest voting block, and force them to concentrate on the youth and long term policy.

My nan is 90 today , she's not old, venerable and wise. she can't figure out how her boiler works and organised a boycott of a local pub because they put the Wednesday pensioners special up by £1 without giving anyone warning. According to my nan It would have been ok if they had told everyone a few weeks before, but because they only put it on the board on the Monday their business had to fail (which it did) as a punishment or something(????). These people can vote.

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

Happy birthday to this guys nan

Thanks, I have an hour of freedom before I have to go to a racist old ladies birthday party. I will have to politely sit through much twittering about how May is wonderful and that she will save us from "the browns" whilst wondering at what point she will work out that I'm mixed race. It's been 37 years and the woman still hasn't clocked it, I'm convinced she thinks I just tan well.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Seaside Loafer posted:

Anyone know much about the whole bother with fishing quotas? My know nothing man in the pub thought is surely even fisherman understand that its there for a reason, ie to not fish the fish to extinction so we can carry on fishing. Is there some sort of nationalistic annoyance, as in 'the bloody french get more and its decided from bloody brussels' etc.

Has the allotment been fair over the years?

What happens after brexit, do British fisherman just have free reign to do what they want in national waters upsetting the hopefully careful EU plan?

The problem is that we abide by our quotas and others ignore them, so when our brave boys of the sea go to fish in an area there is nothing but scraps left for them. That's not simply rah rah gently caress the Spanish, it's something that genuinely does need to get addressed, but tends to get lost in all of the fake wolf crying.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

I've said this before, but if the far right you support with bollocks like bleating about "cultural Marxism" and "the regressive left" win, they will come after you. The autistic are no safer from the fash than the browns or Jews. You are advocating an ideology that ultimately hates you.

Don't forget our old friends sterilisation and castration.

It always amazes me that the kind of people who support the far right on the internet simply do not comprehend that they would either be seen as cannon fodder, or the very first under the knife if the real fash ever came into power.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
May talking nonsense here.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Not Operator posted:

I can't watch right now, can someone tell me how many catchphrases come up?

There has just been some sort of stream of conscious thought that was 90% buzzwords and catchphrases.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I genuinely have no idea what she's trying to say and have no idea what her actual opinions are.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Only real applause has been for the audience.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Best tash of the election. I bet she thought he was a Tory.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Errr she knows nothing about learning disabilities, a lot of them can be picked up at baby checks. How will school training help that?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Lol another one she expected an easy question from.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Does he own a small business or is he an accountant for larger businesses?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Lovechop posted:

last three ppl asking questions all were creepy as gently caress, what's up with this crowd

They were some of the 1/3 Tory audience members.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Human rights girl got it right.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

Im late as hell but I can answer this. Baby checks/one-stop checks can (mostly) only pick up those caused by a genetic disorder. A learning disability is (medically) characterised by
1. IQ below 70
2. Causing delays in development
3. Diagnosed before age 18.

And this is before bringing in learning difficulties such as autism or add into the mix

Schools need training in order to both identify potential learning difficulties/disabilities (this information could then be used to aid diagnosis), as well as training in order to best support equality of access to mainstream education

Absolutely, I was reacting to her garbled bollocks that made it sound like she has no clue about the difference between any non-physical disabilities and mental health issues. I was wishing somone had come back to her and asked her how funnelling resources into schools would help children with Down's syndrome or ASD with learning difficulties who already had diagnosis and are in special schools. I'm seeing nothing that would reverse the problems the Tory party has created when they decided to cancel respite funding because of "austerity" meaning we are all in it together or whatever bollocks they spouted while giving theselves a pay rise.

Nurse should have hit her with that as well.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Maugrim posted:

Small point but current recommendation for children with Down's Syndrome is that they go to regular schools if possible as the evidence indicates it helps their development if they learn alongside typical peers. For that to happen and be effective there does need to be funding/support in place. And yet strangely despite May's claims I do not trust the Tories to deliver it.

Is it now. How much of this evidence came to light after the Tory party discovered just how expensive special schools are? Cases should be assessed on an individual basis, it is absolutely horrifying that government and council pen pushers get to override actual medical professionals, and it's nothing short of evil that some areas won't even start the diagnosis process for children with ASD until they are 3, learning difficulties or not.

If you show me somone who thinks a child with Down's syndrome would do better in a poor inner city school than they would in a special school then I'll show you a oval office.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

Development is about more than education, it's also a social thing. Having people with downs in mainstream schools, at least at primary level with the appropriate support in place, is a good thing. It also helps normalise their existence which is good given that ld issues outside of autism are basically never discussed outside of a scandal like winterbourne.

Besides which, speaking as an actual medical professional, it would not be my place to decide on their education - it's not a medical issue.


Outside of the most severe cases I'd also argue that its not evil that the asd process doesn't start until 3, as small children develop at different rates so it wouldn't be until that age that the differences become really apparent (this is a reason why mmr jabs became an issue). Please endeavour to remember that even in Tory Britain healthcare (including diagnostics) is still based on the best evidence.


If you want to slam the government wrt ld issues, some battles worth fighting are the pisspoor implementation of the autism act, the cuts to social care having an effect on the speed of finding appropriate placements (particularly in complex cases), and the more borderline people still have to face pip investigations.

I too am speaking as an actual medical professional. In our area they are supposed to take the evidence presented by medical professionals and follow their recommendations, in your area it might be different.

I'm not looking at every single school like it's a wonderful nurturing environment. Inner city schools have horrendous problems with bullying, the worst of them have problems with knife crime. As I said it's a case by case thing. Of course some children do fine with one on one support, but putting a vulnerable child with downs or severe learning difficulties into one of those sink schools is like throwing them to the wolves. They could of course be put into a unit within the school, but in many schools that's where the special needs children are kept for their own saftey for most of the school day. They only get to use the rest of the school's facilities when the other children are not using them.

You are also being very unfair to how well special schools manage socialisation and life building skills. They often do a much better job than mainstream schools, especially at secondary school age. It's genuinely offence and wrong to belittle what they do.


The reason special schools are so expensive per child is that this is how much it costs to properly educate and do therapy for those children. Having all the therapists in one place, a school nurse, and a GP, assigned to one place makes more sense than having them roam around different mainstream schools or, worse, having the child have to leave school to go to an appointment somewhere else.

Only starting the process at three, no matter how obvious it is is evil. You can pick up on it very early, if a baby does not make eye contact for example. My son had a diagnosis at 18 months old. It is absolutely crucial that therapy starts as early as possible and that they end up in the correct school environment. You start diagnosis at three it could be a year before they even get an appointement, then it will take up to two years for an actual diagnosis to happen. That makes it six years old. You know what they don't need to provide now? ASD nurseries, or one on one support for nursery age children.
It has absolutely nothing to do with developmental levels, they are just using that as an excuse to save money,

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Namtab posted:

Fair enough, I'll try and do more research into early stage ld

Early stage therapy is absolutely fascinating as well. A good name to start with with early years stuff is Professor Jonathan Green. https://www.research.manchester.ac.uk/portal/Jonathan.Green.html

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Pencils were brought in because people kept nicking the pens, and they found that people were far less likely to steal a pencil. Honest to god actual answer.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Outside shot: Venezuela goon have you any information on el hefe? I keep asking in the Venezuela thread but no one knows.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I know I'm late to this discussion but I was waiting for the ghouls to sod off before reading the thread.

About this shoot to kill thing. If your attackers have knives then you don't need to shoot to kill unless they have the knife aimed directly at somone's throat, which is unlikely because people will be running around screaming. You aim at their legs if at all possible. You get shot in the leg you are hitting the deck and you can't stab people if you are on the ground. Mr plod is less likely to hit members of the public in the head, and they can get the bad guys into custody afterwards.

The :tinfoil: in this is that modern terrorists use texts and the internet so much that they no longer need to actually talk to them to get the information they need, and a nice clean execution avoids giving them the publicity of a trial or the possibility that they will continue to operate within prison.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I rather suspect north east Derbyshire is safe for Labour now. It was in real danger, and then people went "poo poo. She's just like Maggie" and labour signs went up in windows.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Looking at the guardian website is depressing, not because they are obviously 100% behind their boy Corbs but, because this is what they should have been doing from the moment the election was announced. Wankers.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

oxford_town posted:

Does it make much of a difference? The graun readership is pretty solidly pro-Corbyn anyway.

Yes it makes a huge difference. The front page of newspapers is the best advertising there is for a political party. You walk past a newspaper stand and you will see the Tory press have had big bold eye catching writing on the front page praising May and the Tory party right from day 1. The supposed Labour press have had gently caress all supporting Corbyn or Labour on their front pages until now, and it's all because the petty blairite wankers couldn't face seeing a left winger in charge.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Derbyshire Times did that the week after the election was called and their twitter was choked with people telling them to gently caress off. They responded to An Angry Letter the next week with some bullshit about how they were politically neutral and then three pages later they had big pictures of May going round some Clay Cross factory pointing at stuff.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

TheRat posted:

He's also been part of a great service to the world. This is him in the car with Corbyn as they run over a cameraman's foot:



Speaking of which did you all see Graham Norton, it's on IPlayer now, he absolutely tore into May and Tim Farron and jibed Corbyn in a non serious I support him but I have to do this because the BBC are supposed to be impartial kind of a way.

Then Tom Cruise was shown that picture and went "I was advising him to turn up to the debate"

Tom Cruise is mocking you Theresa, Tom Cruise.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Can somone with privalages please edit May's wiki picture? Does not even have to be a comedy picture, the one she has right now Is far too photoshopped for a wiki picture.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Lady Galaga posted:

I am the Average British Citizen and I love paying the license fee to watch some top notch telly such as The One Show

My favourite comedian is Michael Macintyre

I don't have a television licence. A Man turned up demanding I get one, I told him that I don't need one and he got all overly aggressive and said he would report me for being "a thief" and I told him good luck with that I don't own a Televison, PC, TV aerial or sky dish. He left looking a bit sheepish.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Is that May admitting to loving up people's crops for shits and giggles, because whoever that was just pissed off a suprising amount of people in the countryside.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Junior G-man posted:

What are you talking about?

Baron Corbyn's quote. I am assuming it was May because it was garbled and they didn't apologise. Youths messing around in crop fields is seen as vandalism. Not that it will make a difference because of the voter demographics in the green bits.

People get annoyed by different things, not closing gates and public rights of way is a much bigger issue than immigration if you live on a farm.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I would argue that walkers not closing gates still annoys farmers more :)

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Would be nice if this was the start of the break up of big faceless corporate farms and the land gets sold off to people who actually want to farm it to produce food.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Why does no one ever believe I don't have a TV? :(

E: I did have a TV but I tested it after the move and it was broken so I skipped it.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Dennis Skinner just told everyone that the problem with Eastern Europeans and displaced people coming over here these days is that they are not joining unions, so they can't be helped by them to get fair treatment and wages, and that it's people like (Sports directs) Mike Ashley's fault that there is antagonism.

He's the hero we need but do not deserve.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Tevery Best posted:


They do in Ireland, so that might not be a problem on their end.

The poles working for sports direct have an oddly similar working experience to wrestlers in the WWE, in that if both Vince and Ashley even suspect people are thinking of joining a union they get fired.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Skinner may be anti-eu but he's always been pro-union and workers rights first and foremost. His line is that if they are legally here then their worker's rights should be protected and the best people to do that are the Unions. He's absolutely right about sports direct, these people are here legally and not being paid minimum wage, working too many hours, and on 0 hour contracts. Any complaints gets them fired which leaves them totally buggered and in lovely illegally maintained housing with rents far above the regional average.
The people of Clay Cross don't like the poles renting all the housing, but even the die hard racists will admit that they are not "working here and sending money home" because they can barely afford to feed themselves.

It's slave labour and it's here because the Tory Party allowed this company to operate in the UK without paying taxes.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I'm going to my local polling station which has been put right in the middle of a sink estate. My neighbour Curley was very disappointed that there were no "Tory Wankers" there because he'd taken his dogs down with him. If the police don't get called today I will be very suprised, if the polling station isn't set on fire if May wins I will be shocked.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
My estate will have a massive turn out and it will be young as well as olds, people are going to be royally pissed off if the rest of the country allows it's olds to gently caress us.

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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
drat this really important news has got lost in the election coverage

there is going to be a Dennis Skinner movie

It's called "Dennis Skinner - the nature of the beast" and it's going to be released in cinemas nation wide.

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