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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Discendo Vox posted:Killer Mike is insane. I don't mean as in he's cool, I mean as in he'll endorse and spread any conspiracy theory he comes across. A Christmas loving Miracle has a line about wifi killing birds and tells listeners to google it. The beat breaks and your teeth break Keep your canines embedded in my knuckles as a keepsake It would seem your veneers just mere souvenirs falling out Your mouth and on to the landscape Me and El-P do the secret handshake Then I pummel punch a pumpkin head punk in his pimple face 'Till he's punch drunk cause he's sweet as a pound cake (Ain't he pussy, Mike?) Yeah, El, I'll say Into the wild, wildstyle ghetto child running wild Where the lions and the owls stay The powers that be even offered up reprieves Told us they ain't take us out if we bow to our knees But they can give that to the kings and the queens And the worshipers of idols and followers of things Cause I would rather be in the jungle with the savages It's kill or be killed, and I'm working with the averages My professor emeritus Say we been cursed being brought to the AmeriKKKas How you raise a whole human single parent, no marriages no sense of heritage Planned Parenthood helping plan miscarriages But I'm lucky mommy already had a narrative Product of a teenage love, my arrogance Derives from the pride in the job my parents did Named Mike, I was told it was godlike Even danced with the devil, came out alright OK, honor y'all? No way Still spell AmeriKKKa with the triple K Word up to Spice 1 and O'Shea And any MC peeping what I go through Real rap, my last line's so true Rest in peace to Pimp C and Camu, too We do it for you point it out for me
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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, only stupid crazy liberal conspiracies like how Hillary only lost the election because of Russian collusion & it had nothing to do with her running a loving dire campaign that seemed to be full of people with less understanding of the electoral college than me, a British person are valid and acceptable. i really can't stress this enough he's calling someone else crazy on the basis of (as far as i can tell), an imagined lyric about wifi killing birds
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Jun 24, 2017 22:40
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forkboy84 posted:These are some very good lines. run the jewels loving rules if you've never heard them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC2EQvdzmY
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Jun 24, 2017 22:42
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Discendo Vox posted:poo poo, I had this conspiracy theorist rapper confused with another one, Chuck D. My bad. "sure, i just completely confused two artists who's career peaks were roughly thirty loving years apart and assigned some fantasy nonsense about a specific song i've clearly never listened to, but, trust me - killer mike is a crazy conspiracy theorist"
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Jun 24, 2017 22:46
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forkboy84 posted:
I am late as hell to the game - I'd listened to some bits and pieces on youtube strolls, but it wasn't until this song I said "wait this is loving phenominal". I must have played it back on youtube maybe 200 times in the first two or three weeks I'd found it. since then they're probably become my favorite act producing music right now.
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Jun 24, 2017 22:51
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forkboy84 posted:
Yeah, I don't think that specific example is like "people are actually spying on me!!!" like a conspiracy theory instead of just referencing incidents like that, and how the state apparatus is often used to monitor radicals. I'm sure he has some dumb opinions - they were big into Jill Stein during the 2016 elections for example, and the US green party is nutty as gently caress- and I'm not intimately familiar with his entire political outlook, so I'm sure he's got some things I'd call crazy. But describing him as a "crazy conspiracy theorist" is not consistant with what I've heard from him/read about.
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Jun 24, 2017 22:55
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it still would be pretty good if corbyn could broaden his appeal to the working class a bit, mind. i think he's got a really good lock on the truly destitute and downtrodden, and then the more middle class educated types (and anyone young at all) but there's still quite a big chunk of the working class who lack consciousness of that fact.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:34
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Pissflaps posted:We talked about this before: would nationalising Glastonbury be such a bad idea? That way everyone who wants to go could go? efforts of fairness, you've talked about nationalizing Glastonbury before my favorite festivals (well, "festivals") I've been to have been Big Weekends, which are nationalized and run by the state broadcaster, free, choose venues that aren't mainstream and I've personally been fortunate enough to attend 2 of (one of which, Carlisle, would otherwise see the Foo Fighters, Lady Gaga and the Arctic Monkeys in 2011 only if their jets somehow collided midair above the city). they let me see my at the time favorite band and introduced me to several more of my favorite all time bands, despite the fact I extremely poor at both times. so, yes. it's possible and it's awesome. it's far from perfect, but it can work.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:48
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Pissflaps posted:Why do you think it's a good analogy? cause Coohoolin's identity is based around his scottishness, despite having a bunch of things incongruent with the idea of Scottishness in the public perception (I've never, and never will, call him out for that - I'm a firm believer that choosing to live somewhere demonstrates far more commitment to a nation then being a citizen by some accident of geography. Coohoolin and I don't get on a lot for a lot of reasons, but gently caress anyone who thinks that an immigrant is any less a citizen then a natural born one). he's comparing it to you, who are proudly working class, despite having a bunch of things incongruent with being working class (like how much you are paid, and your profession). i disagree with that almost as strongly - we both know drat well that even if you were making far more then you do right now in a far posher role people would treat you differently because of your backround - they loving poo poo on Precott for having the audacity to have to once work as a waiter. i do wish you'd respond to my post, though- i thought it was a good argument about the state sponsoring the events you don't like, and I would be interested to hear your views on it.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:18
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Pissflaps posted:I have never once posted in this thread how much I am paid, nor what my profession is. How do you know this information? quote:Sorry I must have missed it could you link or quote it? Sure! CoolCab posted:efforts of fairness, you've talked about nationalizing Glastonbury before
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Jun 25, 2017 00:33
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Pissflaps posted:Never a good idea. Fair! But for real, I am sorry - I made the mistake of assuming that because you have an interest in computers you must be in the field, which is preposterous - I used to post in Trad Games a long time ago, and I'm certainly not a game developer. I do not apologize lightly, and when I do, I mean it. Again- I'm sorry. quote:Yes I did see this and you're absolutely right they're good examples of a more accessible festival format. Thanks! I think you absolutely could expand this sort of thing to make a sort of state sponsored Glastonbury like event - or far better, a bunch of small Glastonburies, where everyone, regardless of their personal economic status or geography, would be able to access world class talent as well as experience things outside their conventional worldview - watching Lorde live in Glasgow (she's got a PHENOMINAL stage presence and performance) made me a fan of something I'd never even think of trying previously.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:42
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Jedit posted:As opposed to these totally not made up lyrics in a song produced and performed by El-P: I was defending Killer Mike, not El-P. e: and also note the use of homophobic slurs in the late 90s-early 2000s by any number of artists is absolutely lovely, not something I defend, and I would sincerely hope El-P had attempted to make amends for since.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:45
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staberind posted:Call me a idiot savant, but would it not be prudent of any party to suggest a second referendum, now that enough people have publicly shat themselves? no. consider the two alternatives to that vote: Leave wins: this is used as proof positive that a hard Brexit is clearly what the public wants. an entire new crowd of right radicals are created/awakened during the election campaign, and due to the inevitable "stab in the back" perception caused by having a second referendum they wind up more convinced they need to vote in the most awful reactionary party imaginable simply to prevent a third. also, a generation of centrists are utterly discredited and left wing Leavers are marginalized. fascism. Remain wins: the hardcore Brexit brigade are taught a lesson that "democracy doesn't work". not every Leave voter was a horrible racist thug, but pretty much every horrible racist thug voted Leave. civil unrest. a spike in hate crimes. a spike in people voting for awful reactionary parties now with moral high ground. fascism.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:19
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Maugrim posted:Lib Dems secretly hoping to usher in fascism then? no, they like all liberals before them simply prefer it to socialism
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Jun 25, 2017 01:26
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I doubt very much it was just a payment, more likely payment and threat of a very large lawsuit.
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Jun 25, 2017 09:54
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Jippa posted:I want to know how some of you goons got to this place? Is it just crippling social anxiety? I would say live music events are way better than loads of other social situations for this. Yeah, I've always had a touch of crowd anxiety and I've loved the festivals I've been to. Sneak in tons of booze, drink too much of it, be generous with it with strangers, jump around and sing along to the songs you know, scream cheers so loud you lose your voice. Drugs can help too if that's something you're into (low level stims or molly ideally). If you need a moment cause it's getting too much, there's always a quiet corner somewhere you can go and stare at your phone for a bit.
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Jun 25, 2017 10:26
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nothing to seehere posted:Wouldn't kicking us out the EU if we decided to stay require unanimous consent of the other countries? And Ireland at the very least would be extremely relieved to not have to worry about the NI border. Given that EU states have said before that article 50 is revocable , if we then revoke it and they "hey, that's not allowed" they have some weasel words to go through, and it would probably go to the EU supreme Court. it's really legally ambiguous, iirc. if we had to formally ask for a revocation of A50 it would require unanimous consent, but A50 was never intended to be used and has never really been challenged in court, so it's not legally very strong. there could be the political will with some legal wrangling to extend the process indefinitely or some other procedural move to possibly defacto turn it off. neither are remotely likely, fwiw. CoolCab fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Jun 25, 2017 10:37
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live music (at least, in the large concert/festival form) is a form of communal worship. you get into a huge mob of people who love the same thing you do, and you then collectively get the experience of seeing your idols perform, just for all of you. this causes you collectively to lose your poo poo. also, you're all probably intoxicated somehow. it absolutely kicks some part of your lizard and/or monkey brain insanely hard and is very hard to articulate in words.
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Jun 25, 2017 11:04
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brian posted:
cause the SNP have ridiculously strict party discipline and almost literally never break the party whip at westminister or holyrood iirc. presumably they have a pretty loving robust enforcement behind the scenes.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:59
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big scary monsters posted:That was my impression also. I do think she'd be a better ideological fit for Labour now, but I imagine swapping parties is a delicate and risky thing and in 2015 and before there was plenty of reason for someone on the left in Scotland to prefer the SNP. Her majority took a blow this election and if Labour stood a solidly socialist candidate against her they'd likely do well. Paisley is a very deprived area and one of the more left wing parts of the country going by vote share, and was overall No for independence so unionist Scotlab aren't as toxic as they could be. But at the same time there's a strong sense of local identity and Renfrewshire was overwhelmingly Remain, so I imagine pro-Brexit Labour that still doesn't really pay much attention to Scotland even with Corbyn still has a bit of work to do. Does Corbyn have a ton of agency about that, though? Scottish Labour is effectively devolved as I understand it. A lot of Scottish people are going to have to join Labour and try to reform their power structures to get people like Dugdale out.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:52
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Irony Be My Shield posted:What proportion of Labour MPs have bad records on abortion rights? I guess it isn't surprising considering they exist when the Lib Dems managed to get one as their leader. it's an issue that's settled, and as such is "safe" - you can be as anti abortion as you like, poo poo ain't changing anywhere in the UK most likely and it's a great pitch at social conservative/catholic voters. i bet there are more then you'd guess
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Jun 26, 2017 13:11
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feedmegin posted:It's politics. Pork barrel stuff like this is nothing new or unexpected. It does put the Tories in a bad light and piss off some of their potential voters, though, so y'know yay for that. it's going to go over like a lead balloon- if i'm not mistaken there are enough Scottish tory MPs and (maybe?) enough Welsh ones to lose their majority who will get good and furious about an unequal distribution, and England is going to be hopping mad regardless.
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Jun 26, 2017 13:15
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the thing you have to remember about cats is that we definitely didn't domesticate them to control pests- dogs were domesticated much earlier, and are better mousers and much more useful animals besides. another is that some elements of their "domestication" are actually adaptations to alter our behavior - kittens learn their meowing pitch, and they nearly universally learn to the same pitch of a wailing infant- it evokes the most reaction from humans. my personal favorite theory they, evolutionary speaking, aren't pets - they're parasites. larger ancestors of cats were attracted to human settlements because we attract tons of prey and are filthy, and the gradual process of natural selection meant the cuter and less dangerous specimens thrived over the wilder and more dangerous ones. this is why they're the only pet with innate dignity and also why they're the only truly funny pet- because only they can lose it.
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Jun 26, 2017 19:37
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Cerebral Bore posted:
this would be good analogy if between 50 and 80 million people died from being eaten by tigers in the five years before we got the rock e: which was only the latest in a series of colossal tiger feasts on the back of a period of alternating tiger buffet and tiger reraising that stretched back to the Hundred Year Tiger Eating Party CoolCab fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 12:58
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Cerebral Bore posted:Do you think that war stopped happening after 1945 or what? we are the children of that time. we accomplished a Europe that was merely a basket case instead of being the kind of nut job that lights it's bed on fire when it was cold. MAD did that- and if you are any student of history at all you'll know it's mad it did too.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:57
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Guys do you think the US would be better off it had single payer or a NHS like health care system? Bernie would have one (payer)
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Jun 27, 2017 16:23
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Captain No-mates posted:My only worry with the amendments is that with how engaged people are with politics, all of the credit for ending the freeze will go to the Tories since it's their government. bullshit it will. if corbyn keeps calling shots he'll keep being credited for them, see also grenfell houses.
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Jun 28, 2017 17:51
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Tons of us think Brexit is a horrible idea that will suck tbf, it's just the alternative is worse. I've said it before, but if there was ever a population I did NOT want to teach that democracy didn't work...
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Jun 29, 2017 16:17
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LeoMarr posted:so corbyn will decrease the slashing of police budgets, so hes going to increase the police on the streets. I want to lnow what his foreign policy objextives would be? reduction in foreign intervention, definitely. probably some internationalist cooperation and foreign aid stuff might gain some goodwill which will probably be sharply contrasted by some of the necessarily protectionist elements of re-nationalization and infrastructure investment efforts on the domestic front.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:59
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LeoMarr posted:and when the terrorist attaxka dont stop? more cops, i imagine. i sort of doubt that any reduction in terrorism because of reduction in foreign intervention will manifest any time soon (poo poo like ISIS took what, a decade after the Messopotamia to really kick off?), but as a Canadian i absolutely believe that you can use a military force in a way that encourages peacekeeping in a way that reduces the risk of terrorism
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Jun 30, 2017 19:05
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Seriously though convince me that population growth won't gently caress everything up cause the population is leveling off in places where women are being liberated, have access to birth control and attain higher educational levels. this means a bunch of populations in the first world are getting older (which isn't ideal) which means they'll become progressively more reliant on immigration from poorer countries, which will lead to more wealth going to the poorer countries, which will increase the likelihood of their women being liberated. the real issue is that climate change will gently caress us WELL before any of that will happen, but describing climate change as an overpopulation problem sort of misses the point. the circumstances which cause climate change also increase populations, but the truth is that we did the most damage with comparatively tiny first world populations
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Jun 30, 2017 19:24
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communism bitch posted:Im not sure how i feel about international trickledown organised around importing labour to care for our ever growing population of methuselahs. oh, it's awful, no doubt. but if somehow climate change wasn't a thing, overpopulation would resolve itself and is pretty quickly even within the horrific poor consuming framework of capitalism. this is why Germany gets to look oh so tolerant and progressive for letting all the poorest countries in the world throw their best and brightest at her for free in the form of refugees, which can then be exploited all the more for the horrors they had to escape.
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Jun 30, 2017 20:38
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spectralent posted:Renewables can give us free energy, the issue is nobody wants to build them because either NIMBYs or fossil fuel lobbyists. alternately we could build a shitton of nuclear power plants and actually increase our energy use by a lot, and it would probably be both easier and cheaper then covering the entire Sahara with solar panels
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Jun 30, 2017 21:02
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OwlFancier posted:I mean going by the American attempts in Nevada that's a very efficient method of making boilers on sticks explode and a limitless supply of cooked migratory birds but has difficulties in consistent power generation compared to solid state devices. Plus you're going to have to get that electricity/fuel out of the most isolated and inhospitable place on the planet and back to the first world, and also get the incomprehensible amount of building materials, workforce and maintenance crews required to said desert roughly comparable in size to the United States or China. We have the technology and the means and resources for nuclear power, we simply lack the will, both in where we build the plants and deal with the waste and to push for the state infrastructure spending required to make it work. I think the later two things are solvable problems.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:09
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Gum posted:The difficulty of comparing stuff to the US election is that under pretty much any other system Clinton would have been declared the clear winner Didn't Trump win both houses of the legislature too? So I mean even under some kind of a parliamentary democracy...
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Jun 30, 2017 23:40
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Gum posted:Dems got a majority of votes in the senate race too. The US system really sucks Right but that wouldn't matter in, say, the UK's system or any other FPTP system. And since the Senate is the upper house (as I understand) it wouldn't matter even then often because the lower house typically decides the executive in a parliamentary system (like in Canada) I'm pretty sure. Trump would have won in a tonne of different systems - and way more importantly, he won in yours. He got less votes, which is again, a little weird, but a straight popular vote is in no way a universal system for democracy- often the party which wins gets well less then 50% of the total vote. And your system of voting was put into place basically literally for this reason- less populous states joined the union expressly because the electoral college and senate were expressly designed to ensure they weren't overwhelmed by their richer and more populous neighbors. It's poo poo, but it's nowhere near as poo poo as voter suppression, which weirdly doesn't come up nearly as often when people are whining about the result they didn't like.
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Gum posted:Who the gently caress are you calling a septic is that new slang for "american" because if so, i'm on board 110%
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