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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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So did Josh pee his pants?

Forgot about this thread until just now... glad I remembered!

I haven't been following feeds but Cody, in the show edit at least, is seriously the most unlikable douche in a long time of BB's. He's the guy that puffs his chest and acts all alpha, but the second you stand up to him he just stammers, mumbles and yells.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Propaganda Machine posted:

Do you really think Cody is worse than, say, Arryn and Paulie?

Well before STACG's post I was just talking about Cody in terms of "general douche bag" Cody. Didn't know he did all the racist poo poo (but should have known).

Arryn and Paulie.. man.... gah. I mean those people. I hope they got some help.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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STAC Goat posted:

In Cody's slight defense I don't think he's "done racist poo poo". Well, the terrorist shroud could have been. And there's "trannies" and "dykes". But I haven't heard any explicit racism.

Although Paul keeps alluding to some Trump/"political agenda" thing he thinks Cody will get in trouble for but it must have happened before feeds came on.

I don't really take the "he's messed up from the military" or "Jess eggs him on" excuses. Cody's a loving prick and he's a deliberate loving prick and he takes joy in being a loving prick. He's a bully which is why he goes after Josh and just calls the rest pussies and cowards behind their backs. And every time someone tells him he's coming off bad he makes it plainly clear he doesn't care and people are just "left wing pussies."

And hell, Jess seems more aware and concerned than him. She loses that in her anger and ego most of the time but you see flashes where she's clearly very concerned about how she's coming off in all this. Case in point, Cody thinks its the funniest thing in the world that they ran Megan out of the game and whenever he brings it up Jess says she's not proud of that.

Sorry when I usually say "racist poo poo," I also mean "bigoted poo poo." Kinda lump them together.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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STAC Goat posted:

Yeah, I just didn't want to be giving the impression tat Cody had said poo poo he didn't.

I don't actually think there's a moral difference between being bigoted to LGBT or races, though. I just didn't want to make it seem like there was something there wasn't.

Yeah I gotcha.

So has Kevin done any stupid poo poo? I like him and want to hope he's not stupid. "That's a nice sweatah."

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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CancerStick posted:

Production just told everybody to report to the HoH bedroom.

They usually lock them in there when they need to do something in the house right? Setup for a house comp or things like that? (Clean the ants probably)

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I didnt like Josh at first but I'm not going to lie... I love his constant harassment of Mark

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Max posted:

Paul has a grating personality but he also knows how to play the game well, as evidenced by the fact that Matt literally asks "what does Paul want us to do" every once in a while, so going after him directly really wasn't a good idea this early on.

Counterpoint: He took loving Nicole to the final two last year.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Professor Shark posted:

What

Cody: Chill, chill, chill. You ok? Don't... Jessica, you must remain calm. You have to think for three.

What

No way. I wondered about that quote but there's no way.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Max posted:

There was one POV comp where they told her at the beginning of the comp that she couldn't participate since it involved a lot of walking which she clearly cannot do, but they didn't really let her know that when her name got picked.

I believe part of the condition of her staying was knowing that she could get picked for POV contest that she can't play in. She was given the option to stay with those conditions or leave, I believe.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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ToastyPotato posted:

That's pretty much a normal escort, with the exception that it skews toward wealthy clients so instead of paying for a few hours of a "date" they pay for a "vacation". The whole point of being an escort instead of a prostitute is that legally, the client is paying for your "company" and not sex, because the sex is completely "optional."

Yeah and a gently caress buddy is, traditionally I guess, usually someone you know and not someone you pay.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I only ever call it a "backdoor" if they can continuously keep the target in the dark, even if they're picked to play in veto.

Otherwise, it's just "the plan."

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Forgive me for I skim, but a quick question...

Why couldn't Alex and Jason just simply say (from the get go... it's too late now) that the votes were sympathy votes so Mark didn't get sent to donut land?

Easy peasy, you start the week clean.

Why even try to frame anyone for it? You got what you want! Matt and Raven on the block!

I mean... holy poo poo what a stupid nonsense way to potentially blow your game or at least rock the boat unnecessarily.

BonoMan fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Aug 25, 2017

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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STAC Goat posted:

From what I can tell Alex and Jason dreamed up this plan last minute while feeds were off so we've got no real idea what their plan was.

Alex and Jason aren't what you'd call good strategists. There's no real way this cleans up neatly even if they were on the same page from the start. And there was no real reason to frame anyone. Worst case scenario was Matt/Raven winning HOH and its not like you could have framed Christmas/Josh for the votes.

But it all kind of becomes moot if they just put up Matt and Raven. Everyone's just nervous right now because Jason and Alex are playing rogue and have HOH.

So dumb. Now Paul and Josh-Mas are just going to reel in whomever is left of Maven and take out Alex/Jason/Kevin systematically.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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STAC Goat posted:

I think we learned that season (BB15?) that Zingbot is an actual comedian, not just a random intern. Also a woman.

It was Kathy Griffin' that year yeah? I thought that was a one off

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Yeah I like Jason but his gameplay is terrible. How many times has Alex had to get on him for saying stupid game spoiling poo poo?

Anyway I must say this entire season has been worth it for the Raven mumble montage last night. I couldn't frickin breathe I was laughing so hard.

Harry Potter tax.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Dang I wonder if Kevin is out

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

STAC Goat posted:

Unless Kevin actually threw that glass at Josh he should be fine. Its no worse than Cody, Mark, or Jess did. More than likely they just did the same thing they've done all season and separate Kevin and Josh and give them talkings to. And knowing Josh he probably yelled a bunch to antagonize Kevin from the across the house, because that's what he does.


I was thinking something may have happened beyond the fishes that we didn't see hence the extended fishes.

Glad it didn't happen though. I kinda like Kevin, but I could straight up see him murdering someone.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

CancerStick posted:

Ugh. Sometimes I like Jason but then I'm reminded he is a piece of poo poo, if not the biggest.

Jason "joking": I'm gonna gently caress your (Kevins) wife when we get out of here & I'm gonna tie all your daughters up & make them loving watch

Yes that's exactly the thing to say to the mob guy

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
I wouldn't say Paul is "running" but I'd absolutely say he's played it better than anyone else so far in as much as he's positioned himself pretty well with everyone. I think Christmas, Alex and Josh are all playing good games too but none have the position Paul does. And since he's basically good with *everyone* and can pull some influence with all the separate groups... that's what has people saying he's running the game. But we know Christmas and Josh are all a little too on to Paul to really feel like he's running their game.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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ToastyPotato posted:

I don't hate Paul at all, and have even defended him, I just object to the notion that he is some kind of mastermind, godlike player, which both he, and his biggest haters, seem to believe. I was cheering for him to win last year.

I believe he's firmly "run" the house this season, but, like you said, it's because he has some of the easiest marks to play with ever this year.

I mean Kevin knows nothing (although I love that he's an old player that's lasted this long.. .they're usually out so fast!), Jason is just... goddamn what a dimwit. Elena/Mark/Cody/Jessica were terrible players. Really his only real competition has been Alex, Josh and Christmas.

So I'll give him some credit there. They are pretty smart and strong players but he's brainwashed Christmas enough to temper any of Josh's rebellious thinking and did pretty good at convincing Alex of a final 2 and sustaining that thought. He did pretty well there.

Also did anyone mention Jason's exit? Holy hell he was salty. And his "I just wanna run in a straight line for a long time" was my favorite exit quote EVER.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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STAC Goat posted:

I don't completely blame Jason's saltiness. They blindsided him hard and he spent half the season doubting Paul and half the week convinced he was the target and Alex talked him out of it. I mean, hell, even Christmas seemed surprised that he didn't know he was the target after her nomination speech. So he was somewhat understandably skeptical about Alex herself for "blindsiding" him, which would be fair if you thought Alex wasn't dumb and just blindsided herself... which Jason did because he too was dumb.

As for Paul I think there's a difference between "running" or "controlling" the house and just being super safe and social. Andy played a very similar game to Paul and had a lot of influence over things the way Paul did (with about the same amount of failure too). But no one calls him a mastermind or says he ran the game. He didn't. He played a good individual game that worked around the people "running" things. The difference with Paul is that there weren't really those powerful players ostensibly "running" things and instead Paul was just working around a bunch of duos. Andy had Helen, Amanda, Elissa, and Aaryn while Paul had Jason/Alex, Marlena, Jody, and Christmas/Josh.

If I had to categorize him I'd call him a cross between Andy and Vanessa. He played the Andy social snake game but he also drew up a web of parachutes like Vanessa tried to. Andy was basically flying blind a lot of the time for end game scenarios and the Exterminators just kind of worked out for him perfectly, while Vanessa had a lot of real "control" and "masterminding" that Paul didn't and was actually way more loyal than Paul.

Oh I'd 100% be as salty as Jason if I was him.

As for Paul, maybe it was the edit, but he seemed to be in everyone's ear and suggesting noms and planning everything out. When things got dicey he was always good at talking people down from making decisions that didn't go along with his plan. I feel like he isn't a supreme dominator, but that he did more than just set up some parachutes.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

ToastyPotato posted:

All the noms and evictions through to Mark and Elena were mutually beneficial to everyone involved, and the most he did was keep people focused on getting Jess and Cody out instead of blindsiding Elena early, which is less him being dominate, and more him having more than two brain cells to rub together. Matt was arguably the first person that wasn't a super clear target, but keep in mind, Paul was pushing for Kevin to be on the block right next to Matt, and he didn't get that. Jason was another very easy nom and eviction, and Raven was probably the most Paul based vote we've had so far.

Paul was definitely considering Josh at F2 because I think he thinks the jury would hate Josh more than him. He might be worried Christmas is too likeable and her story might be too good.

I think Christmas easily beats Paul and Josh not so much. Josh has so many people that don't like him and those that don't care would just see him as Paul's stooge so I think he has to take Josh (or Kevin lol).

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Faustian Bargain posted:

How funny would the finale be if it were Paul/Raven and Raven stands up and declares that she and Paul had an alliance and ran the game the whole season and everyone laughed at her live instead of the jury house.

I loved that portion of the jury house segment... Holy crap she was delusional. Marks reaction was fantastic.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Also I think Josh's goodbye explainer messages have been great. They're always juxtapose with Paul's lying goodbye messages so it seems like it's a great move to cement jury votes for him and against Paul.

I mean I know he doesn't have a say in what Paul's messages are but it worked out beautifully.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Faustian Bargain posted:

I was hoping for Paul but he knew he was cooked once Julie played Josh's goodbye messages. He lost to astonishingly bad jury management and doubled down on it on the live show.

Hahah I haven't watched the finale yet but this is exactly what I was talking about... I loving love that they played his messages!

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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MrBuddyLee posted:

Nah. He played a great technical game but was an unnecessarily smug, condescending prick about it. His smugness, not his backstabbing, cost him the 500k.

That and if he would have just come clean in his goodbye messages I think he would have earned a lot of goodwill. How the hell does a vet getting to final 2 again have THAT bad of jury management? poo poo.

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BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

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Fairly sure Cody will end up in a foreign jail and only released after presidential intervention.

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