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AgentF
May 11, 2009

Bogan King posted:

Counterpoint: Maybe dreams really can come true.

Counterpoint: The Sun is a piece of propagandic trash that makes the Australian look good.

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AgentF
May 11, 2009

X13Fen posted:

A literal idea from Rob Stitch's 2005 show, The Hollowmen

I guess next up the discussion will turn to Green Coal and then Smart Coal.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
Shame. I only know her from her interview with Richard Fidler and it was pretty good.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
So when the Liberals haven't caused a scandal in the last ten minutes we resort to bickering about garbage food.

AgentF
May 11, 2009

Birdstrike posted:

yeah but adelaide

Fifteen Years Without Voting In a Liberal Government

AgentF
May 11, 2009
So the vote was on today for the commission of inquiry into the banks. It passed the Senate and went on to a lower house vote to debate the bill, which failed 70-70 after the speaker cast the tiebreaker in favour of the government. Hilariously Julie Bishop showed up too late and was locked out of the chamber for the vote. If only another Coalition member could have done the same.

AgentF
May 11, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:


These captions are classic:



As like pornographic content or something this would be okay. Outside of that, why would there ever be a reason for a fighting game (I think?) character to be dressed like this? Y'all gotta admit there is a serious problem with cheesecake in video games. Not talking about women exhibiting sexuality, which is fine if there are in-character reasons for it, but talking about women flashing boobs and butt all over the place for no reason other than a presumed-male audience. Anita Sarkeesian Was Right.

Kafka Syrup posted:

https://twitter.com/Studio10au/status/875149232159703040

Why on earth is a TV show directly lobbying on TV for a particular government Bill to pass? SURELY, the collapse of Network 10 isn't some immense cartel-like conspiracy to extort media reforms that directly benefit the shareholders of Network 10...? Surely Australian politics isn't THAT corrupt... Surely... surely...

I like how they don't bother finding out the name of the leader of the Greens. Also if Hildebrand loses his job then good.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
This thread has gone to the dogs since the Mia Freedman chat started. Can we all just drop it?

AgentF
May 11, 2009

Anidav posted:

I am in Beijing and the air is killing me holy poo poo how do people live here every breath has the thickness of 20 cigarettes and everyone coughs like crazy.

Was in Beijing earlier this year and will confirm. Xi'an was much worse, too. Nowhere I went was there clean air or drinkable water.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
She probably thinks there just has to be a way to attack the left over this.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
If he does then he's charging the taxpayer for things that have nothing to do with his job or being in government. The LNP appear to be so comfortable with ripping off the taxpaying that it happens at both high-level and low-.

AgentF
May 11, 2009

Recoome posted:

I'm so conflicted coming into the QLD state election.

What's the issue with Greens 1 ALP 2? The only problem is if you want to favour Liberals above Labor and I don't think anyone wants to do that.

AgentF
May 11, 2009

JBP posted:

I think there was a degree of naivety when Keating introduced his changes (both under Hawke and as PM). Labor genuinely thought they were winning and would be in power for eternity. They thought class war was over because their base had built lives in which their children were attending universities, owned homes, whatever. Then the new set of policy levers got handed to the liberals and the levers were ones that they enjoyed pulling.

We essentially had to float the dollar and needed to reform IR, but Labor didn't go far enough in the accords and install a German style labour union inclusivity pact or something similar, so the whole thing went to the poo poo and bogged unions (even the good ones) down in busy work, which was the end of collective power. You can't hire enough people to properly engage in thousands of EBAs a year. When you as an organiser are negotiating with a guy who is doing one EBA and focusing on it all day every day while you are racing around in the car trying to negotiate 15 concurrently, something has to break. The thing that breaks for organisers is usually their brains as they spend 80 hours a week working without a regular sleep pattern as they hold meeting at 6am and 11pm on the same day, then work office hours, then have a meeting at 12am the same day. An organiser is a perpetually on worker. It's a nightmare lifestyle when you start to hit the wall and the flames of righteousness start to dim and all you can think is "gently caress, I'd love to just go home and watch television without fixating on my next appointment in 3 hours".

The whole thing tends to eventually reward "work smart" organisers, many of which are still fantastic and do great things, but it also opens the door wide for apparatchiks with a five year plan for politics, or it results in workers at low density work sites being ignored due to workload. It also punishes good organisers with divorce and poo poo personal/family lives because they're never at home. I recall one famous meeting where one of our country organisers (who is a loving legendary human) requested a life size cardboard of himself. When asked why replied "so I can leave it at home so the kids don't forget what I look like." I laughed but it carried enough truth to be mildly depressing.

e: TLDR; the 3rd way looked amazing in 1985 but it turns out that war never changes

A few pages back but historical politics and labour relations is something that is very interesting to me, who only got into politics ~2008. We voted yes on an enterprise agreement recently that was sheer dogshit, the employers refused to ever negotiate in good faith and just submitted the same terrible offer over and over again four times until employees just sort of gave in I guess. Doesn't help that union membership is probably <10% at my workplace. Always interested to hear about how things were in the 80's/90's because things seem so dire and people so uninterested in labour relations that I wonder how we ever got the conditions that are being stripped away today.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
As in they are fascists or as in national party room is fascist? Because I don't see either of those being remotely the case.

AgentF
May 11, 2009
Libs normalised racism and ran hard to the right to radicalise voters and now their party is full of empowered racist wing nuts. They created a monster and now the party of Fraser is on the leash of uncompromising crazies who will destroy their own party than give ground to even the slightly-less-bigoted.

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AgentF
May 11, 2009
Why are these all so lame? Some passionate people I guess but with no talent.

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