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Kliff is absolutely on the hot seat. No one wants to fire the guy who turned a 3* QB into a top 10 pick, especially since we all know that if we do fire him, he'll wind up at some other Big XII school as an OC and will proceed to destroy us for years. But we can't stay bad. Frankly, I think he's the best OC and QB coach in the country. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's a good HC. The defense being as bad as it is is simply inexcusable, especially after 4 years. It's a pretty low bar: 6 wins and he coaches another year. Transfers and recruiting defections are not promising, though. Tech's replacement hire is a total ??. Sonny Dykes is an obvious option, but retreads are a hard sell for a mid-level team like Tech, even if they have such strong ties back to the school. Neal Brown is another obvious option, seeing as he's the only good thing that came out of the Tuberville years. Willie Fritz is my darkhorse mid-major pick: Tulane's gonna be dangerous this year. Craig Bohl would probably be the knee-jerk, opposite style choice. And there'd be the comedy option of Ruffin McNeal, the guy we should have hired after the 2009 season. Art Briles will also have his supporters and all I can say about that is that I will completely disown my school if they hire loving Art Briles.
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Jun 15, 2017 17:17
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MourningView posted:Would they go to a completely different style of offense? Dykes is probably the most likely guy but i think Brown is the best combination of coach and fit. Fritz isn't a pure triple option guy like some people think based on his time at GSU but he'd be a pretty radical departure. He also probably needs to actually win at Tulane first. I think he will eventually but he has that Chad Morris thing where people are trying to rush him to the next level before he really does anything significant where he's at It's the stink of the defense. They kept the "same" offense after Leach and the defense got awful. They kept the same offense going to Kingsbury, but the defense somehow got even worse? I don't know if anyone will be happy with returning to the grind it out, give it back to the defense Spike Dykes days which is why I question them trying out another defensive guy, but someone like Sonny Dykes or Neal Brown may not be enough of a departure to justify dropping the investment we've made into Kliff's on-the-job training. Fitz's true offense is more of a spread run & shoot. It fits in with the air raid pretty well. Spent a lot of time watching it at Sam Houston State. I think Kliff's integrated a lot of concepts from his Sam offense into the air raid, particularly some of the combo run options. He's been on my radar for a long time and if he takes Tulane to a bowl this year, he'll be on a lot more radars. Teams like Tech are always having to look out for the next wunderkind since, as soon as they get big, one of the bigger openings comes along for them offering money that the mid-level guys just can't compete with. We'd much rather keep Kingsbury, but he absolutely would have been fired after last season had he not been an alumni. Then again, he also wouldn't have gotten the job when he did had he not been an alumni and he would have had a bit more time to learn how to be a coach. He probably would have been fired after last season had we not signed him to a 7 year contract after his first season with a ridiculous buyout. He's gotten better as a coach over the years, but nothing matters if he doesn't fix the defense and get to 6 wins this year.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:14
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MourningView posted:I still don't get the Morris thing. He hasn't even won 6 games yet. June Jones did way better at SMU than he has so far, but everyone from the state of Texas talks about him like he's the next Bear Bryant. I'm with you. Morris underwhelmed when he interviewed for Tech the first time and he hasn't done anything since taking over SMU to make me think he is worth the big money.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:40
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bump bump bump another one bites the dust https://twitter.com/OleMissFB/status/888182930476081152
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Jul 21, 2017 00:49
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Pakled posted:So now the question is, was the escort for himself, or the players? Well, was he in Detroit in January? Did he recruit any player from the Detroit area in 2016?
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Jul 21, 2017 01:35
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Raku posted:Lmao Lane had an inside tip from Florida escort services Isn't that what Freeze did?
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Jul 21, 2017 21:40
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LLCoolJD posted:Ole Miss is going to endure a year with an interim and then hire some mediocre coach. The Kiffin fanfic is fun, though. I mean, Lane Kiffin is a mediocre coach, so it's totally in line with what you just said.
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Jul 24, 2017 17:32
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Kliff is more of a Mike Leach, Dana Holgerson, or Bill Belichick disciple than Kevin Sumlin. I mean, I guess he followed Sumlin from UH to A&M, but that's giving Sumlin a bit much credit. Actually, looking through a bunch of those, it's giving a lot more credit to a lot of people than they deserve. Dana in Gundy's tree? Nah. He installed the O at OSU, but that's about it. And why is Neal Brown joined under Mike Gundy?
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Aug 6, 2017 01:31
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RC and Moon Pie posted:If they had done it that way, Leach and Holgerson would be on the Hal Mumme coaching tree (and if Dykes was still at Cal, so would he). Though their styles are far from it, Kirby Smart and Will Muschamp would be grandchildren of that tree as they were on a single staff under Chris Hatcher. Leach and Franklin are both definitely Mumme guys. And I'm much more of a philosophical tree guy than a "where they got their start" guy. Do Smart and Muschamp take their coaching philosophies from Hatcher? Doubt it.
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Aug 6, 2017 07:36
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Yeah, we were sitting there at half saying, "well, I guess there's not going to be a coach fired this month" I think we were wrong.
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Sep 4, 2017 04:40
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There aren't many coaches out there with proven track records that are at programs that Nebraska can simply pluck from. Petrino at Louisville, Harsin at Boise, Mullen at Miss St. That's about it for people who have already sustained success that aren't already at a blue blood program.
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Sep 27, 2017 19:53
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Gary Anderson has quit Oregon State. Resigned, sounds like. May have been bought out?
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Oct 9, 2017 19:50
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Leach back to Tech?!
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Oct 10, 2017 06:24
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Tech's has been: Rex Dockery (Fired after 3 seasons) Jerry Moore (Fired after 5 seasons) David McWilliams (Jumped to UT after 1 season at TTU) Spike Dykes (Fired after 13 seasons of Dykesian mediocrity) Mike Leach (Fired because he told the Chancellor to gently caress off) (Interim) Ruffin McNeill (Should have been retained) Tommy Tuberville (Would have been fired had he not jumped to Cincinatti) (Interim) Chris Thomsen (Not retained) Kliff Kingsbury (In his 5th season) So I'm going to claim Tuberville was fired (since he was going to be the next season, no doubt), but that makes it just 5 firings, with one begin after 13 years, another after 9 years. The 4 coaches that have purposefully left Texas Tech to go coach at other schools (Carlen, Sloan, McWilliams, and Tuberville) were each fired for poor results at their next stop, though they all lasted at least 4 seasons and Jim Carlen made it 8.
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Oct 10, 2017 21:02
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General Dog posted:Didn't Dykes "retire"? Yeah, but it was an encouraged retirement.
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Oct 10, 2017 22:04
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Just a reminder: if you're gonna do this, you gotta actually count how many of those coaches were fired or at least "fired"
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Oct 11, 2017 23:24
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Florida might be one of the few schools that could actually pull Leach as well. Considering that there isn't a university located on the Keys themselves.
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Oct 30, 2017 17:51
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First was a designed roll-out so his responsibility was to not let the end slant left. It was a bit of a bust by the guard who needed to feel the end pinching down inside and give a bit more of a chip. Second he just got beat by a speed rusher off the edge. The QB drifted back in the pocket further than either tackle anticipated. Nothing indicating on either play that he was concussed.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:21
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New conspiracy theory: VFL resignation an inside job intended to provide Tennessee a way to fire Butch with cause.
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Nov 3, 2017 21:01
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Nov 4, 2017 21:02
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Texas Tech fans are fully shopping for a new coach. My personal odds are: Sonny Dykes 2:1 Neal Brown 3:1 Seth Littrell 5:1 Frank Wilson 20:1 Les Miles 25:1 Dave Aranda 50:1 Brett Venebles 100:1 And yeah, I'm gonna be real sad for the next decade as Kliff Kingsbury demolishes us as the UT OC.
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MourningView posted:I don’t think running your QB forty times a game is really “pro style” Biggest difference is that Dykes is more of a CEO-style while Kliff is better as a OC. Dykes also has a much more established history as a good recruiter and is much more animated on the sidelines. Perhaps most importantly, he'll come cheap as TTU's gonna owe Kliff ~7.5 million. Brown's biggest downside is that he's younger than Kliff is. Littrell's going to be criticized for being too tied to Leach (especially since his OC would likely be Graham Harrell). I think that Hocutt's approach will be to call Venables first (they're old friends) and make him say no. Then he might consider calling Dana Holgerson and/or Matt Campbell, just for the hell of it. Then each of Neal Brown, Sonny Dykes, Seth Littrell, and Dave Aranda will probably be interviewed. I don't think Frank Wilson gets a call, but Todd Orlando might. Some donors will probably try to push Art Briles, but if that happens, I'm disowning my school. I think there are enough influential folks against it that he won't actually be talked to. The tendency here, after an OC-style coach failed, will be to go CEO or defense-oriented. That's why I think Brown and Littrell are at a disadvantage. My odds in favor of Aranda would be higher, but I'm not sure he'd be interested, despite TTU being his alma mater.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Sure, but when do people ever learn from their mistakes (not that I entirely think Dykes would be a mistake.) I don't necessarily think he would be either. It was a poor fit for him at Cal, but he is both a significant departure from Kliff, while also not being so substantial as to make our entire recruiting history pointless. There's also already talk that he would solidify the current class and bring an immediate boost to our class with a few legacy players. But you never know with new coaches. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I wouldn't be shocked if Dana jumped for another job this year, but I'd be pretty shocked if it were for another Big XII job. I would be as well. There was some weirdness with his departure from Tech, too, which would make things all the more awkward. Though the biggest thing is that I assume Holgs has a pretty substantial buyout. We can barely afford Kliff's, so we're going to have a really hard time with Dana. Doesn't mean Hocutt wouldn't consider giving it a shot.
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Nov 6, 2017 17:23
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You can actually get Dana on the cheap! His buyout to leave is only like 2.5m if leaves after Jan 1, 2018. It'd be hard to wait until Jan 1 to make the hire with the new early signing period.
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Nov 6, 2017 17:44
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Dango Bango posted:Did Fisher ever move with the team to LA at any point? Or did they fire him before that happened? Curious if he's already in LA. Yeah, he was there last year. Amazing the difference a year makes.
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Nov 20, 2017 19:07
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Nov 20, 2017 23:04
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Sumlin will probably be on Tech's list. Sumlin to UCLA w/ Kliff back as OC makes a lot of sense too.
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Nov 22, 2017 06:06
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Sumlin officially out at A&M, if no one's posted: http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/21574091/texas-aggies-fire-coach-kevin-sumlin-six-seasons Also, I updated the OP with all of what's gone on.
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Nov 26, 2017 22:52
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Thermos H Christ posted:Has anyone ever moved twice on the same coaching carousel? Like signed a contract with a new school only to have that contract bought out and get hired by another school immediately afterward? Because that's the only way I really see this getting year's carousel getting crazier. Only times I've heard of this has been in basketball or with assistant coach spots. When Tech hired Kliff Kingsbury, they tried to pull Sonny Dykes away from Cal instead, but everyone thought that the week later thing was poor form and moved on. Did happen when Tech hired their basketball coach Chris Beard, who had just accepted the UNLV job a week prior.
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Nov 30, 2017 20:01
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seiferguy posted:I wonder who Wazzu goes after if Leach truly does leave. There are Leach disciples all over the nation. Seth Littrell, Sonny Cumbie, and Sonny Dykes are all available. Neal Brown and Jake Spavital are Tony Franklin disciples, but fairly close. I'd think about promoting their DC and trying to find a good air raid OC, though, as he's been the real reason why they're good this year.
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MourningView posted:Agreed. And most of the reports I’ve seen seem to suggest that they’ll probably promote Grinch so I think they probably agree too. Do that and then hire I dunno *googles North Texas offensive coordinator* oh hey Graham Harrell, perfect BJ Symons works in investment banking. I think he was an oil landman for a while. Cody Hodges is a motivational speaker. Taylor Potts went back to school to be a doctor.
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Dec 2, 2017 16:20
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General Dog posted:Seems like he's done good work at Mizzou this year, but why did he wash out so badly at OU? He was scapegoated for the 2014 8-5 season where they lost close games to 3 ranked teams (2 that finished the year in the top 10), got beat in bedlam, and destroyed by Clemson. They weren't bad for a team being QB'ed by career 55% passer Trevor Knight.
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Dec 5, 2017 18:57
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Sab0921 posted:The whole point of Leach's system is to allow QBs to flourish where they generally lack the physical tools to be Baker Mayfield. Graham Harrell is probably the Leach QB that lasted the longest in the NFL - I assume he's selling cars in Lubbock at this point (and/or an OC/HC somewhere like Kingsbury, Riley, Cumbie, Heupel etc...) OC for UNT. Also Baker Mayfield isn't exactly a physical tools guy. He was locked in a dead even battle with Davis Webb his freshman year and was gonna be beaten out by Pat Mahomes (who is a physical tools guy). Remember, the only reason why he was able to get this year's eligibility back is because he was an unrecruited walk-on who only had a few low-tier G5 offers out of high school. Harrell just edges out Kliff as an NFL QB with 3 years on Green Bay's active roster vs Kliff's 2 and change. He's not the most successful Air Raid QB in the NFL, though. I'd say that is a tossup between Case Keenum (who sucked until this year) and Jared Goff (who is just getting started). Pat Mahomes will get his chance while Davis Webb may not.
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Oregon loves recruiting you say? Obs Sumlin is Oregon's jam.
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Wow. Sumlin might make it through this offseason without a HC job somehow? I'd take him as OC/assoc head coach at Tech in a heartbeat.
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I updated the OP. There's only one job left open, Kent State's, from now until the Giants hire Brian Kelly. 18 positions came open this year, which is relatively quiet, but that seems to be because none of the usual mid-major positions came open. 13 P5 is a crazy number. 5 G5 is barely more than background noise.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Did SMU hire someone? chaoslord posted:Louisiana (Lafayette) is also still open I think Thanks. Forgot that Chad Morris left somewhere and that U La La existed. Have I missed anyone else?
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The OP is accurate, I believe. 3 open spots: SMU, Louisiana Lafayette, and Kent State. I expect SMU to make a P5 coordinator hire and Kent State to pull from the FCS. I'm not sure what to expect out of Louisiana Lafayette. Probably a P5 coordinator, but their reported pool of candidates range from the Penn State DC to Doug Nussmeier.
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Fully expecting Tech to be seeking a new OC, but it'll be an Air Raid OC. Still would not be surprised if Sumlin winds up working for Kliff for a year.
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