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Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Open Source Idiom posted:

He was committing suicide out of grief, and then realised that he could use the repeated deaths (and then the generally nihilistic abandon that Cassidy encourages) as a way to avoid having to suffer. Hence the crush he develops on Cassidy.

And then Jessie goes and ruins it all by ordering him to find peace, rather than just a gradual coping mechanism.

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Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

savinhill posted:

His suicidal crush's personalized hell experience must be on a whole other level of brutal with how much of a vile individual she was revealed to be in just that one sequence of events, can't imagine how many hell points she must've racked up in her short lifetime.

Nah she's fine. She only did anal, remember?

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Leaving aside how many different versions of "Christian dogma" there actually are, the way the TV series is going Heaven and Hell seem to be run more like highly dysfunctional government departments that infallible servants of God. I'm actually kind of interested to see where they're going with this hell subplot.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

mallratcal posted:

Technically Eugene didn't kill himself, he hosed it up. He's only in hell because of Jesse. Which makes you wonder why the hell bureaucracy doesn't know that.

If the bureaucracy was well-resourced, efficient and attentive to personal needs then it wouldn't be hell.

Edit: of course it's completely unrealistic... Hell would totally have subcontracted out to private companies by now, whose dedication to making a profit would surely improve things. Oh God are we going to get a US prison service metaphor?

Hidingo Kojimba fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jul 11, 2017

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

zeal posted:

thinking back, does anybody but Jesse know that the Saint is tracking them through each use of the Voice? Tulip doesn't I don't think, and I can only imagine the clusterfuck when she finds out Jesse let her take her stepdaughter back to a house where he'd shouted all of Victor's goons into statues earlier that day

In fairness, as far as any of them knows, Fiore called the Saint off and he doesn't have to worry about that any more.

Data Graham posted:

So did like nobody else watch last night's episode or what?

This Jesse's got a loving dark streak a mile wide, jesus man.

And Cassidy is indeed a manipulative bastard, no idea how close they're gonna hew to what happens in the books but man did they leave open the possibility with how he acted this episode.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Zoben posted:

In the comics Jesse and Tulip were just car thieves. Seems that they were killers for hire on the show, which is a bit more dark. Also yeah, in the SoK comic back story, when he went back to Ratwater he killed everyone including the women and children.

They weren't killers. When their fixer offered them a contract on her husband they were quite clear they didn't do that. The guy Jesse killed wasn't planned, that was when Carlos ran out on them. Of course they were con artists/thieves who killed a guy when things went south though.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Not to mention, if the truck is that strong and carrying that valuable a cargo, it stands to reason it's got all sorts of state of the art satellite tracking that swamp water isn't going to stymie. Coldness aside, it was probably one of the most retarded ways to try and get rid of him, but the quickest way they could write and shoot.

Now, now, I'm sure a wealthy, technologically cutting edge Japanese crime syndicate is just going to forgive and forget and definitely not go looking for their van full of souls worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

But yeah, between that and hiding the Saint's guns beneath his toilet the writers are basically hanging a flashing red sign up saying "We're putting the Saint out of commission for a few episodes to give the plot some breathing room, but Jessie is an idiot and this is totally gonna come back to bite him in the rear end."

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

It's mostly a humour thing yeah, but it's also showing that the Grail's veneer of piety is paper thin and they're basically just thugs with religion.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Zaphod42 posted:

Saw that coming a mile away. Also called him shooting the other candidate. Was too obvious for Starr's character, but still good to see play out.

That said, you'd think Starr would wait like a day or two to find out how The Grail operates before killing the guy and assuming he knows how to take over. But then again, I guess that's Starr.

Yeah, that's really one of those scenes where rule of cool wins out over practicality. Having it all happen in one scene is just less awkward to put on film even if it is kind of hokey the moment you apply any real thought to it.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

DarklyDreaming posted:

He passed, but Zed came to the conclusion that he still wouldn't make a good agent because of his behavior/tone

Yeah. I think it's fairly obvious from the reactions of the other candidates in chair/table scene that the "test" wasn't actually what was on the paper.

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

JossiRossi posted:

Yeah this is definitely what is going to happen, Cassidy was asked what his son's temperament was as a big deal when considering to turn him or not, and Cassidy keeps telling Denis to only drink when you need to and no more, and Denis is clearly just doing whatever he feels like to excess. Cassidy is going to have to put down his own kid probably.

Plus he doesn't speak English, which means Jessie can't use the Word on him. (At least not without brushing up on some French.) Practically tailor made for a dramatic confrontation.

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Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

Agreed, I don't see anything wrong with Ruth Negga's acting at all. The writing's making her very passive these last few episodes, too much so really given how she was introduced to us in the first series, but I don't see how the actor could do anything about that.

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