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Chris Lattner, creator of LLVM, clang, and Swift, quit Apple to work at Tesla a few months ago, and has now quit Tesla. https://twitter.com/clattner_llvm/status/877341760812232704 Apparently working for two egomaniacal, ultra-demanding, workaholic CEOs in his career was one too many.
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Jun 21, 2017 09:03
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Jun 21, 2017 09:09
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what does that nerd even do?
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Jun 21, 2017 12:19
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tried to make a joke about swift cars but cbf
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Jun 21, 2017 13:01
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cheese-cube posted:what does that nerd even do? quits two jobs in a year, apparently
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Jun 21, 2017 13:11
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what a freaking nerd that guy is!
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Jun 21, 2017 13:55
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cheese-cube posted:what does that nerd even do? now he does nothing  but having invented LLVM, clang, and swift is p cool IMHO
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Jun 21, 2017 14:16
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tesla continuing to confirm its status as a hot mess. lattner is a cool dude, really smart and nice to work with. maybe too mellow for tesla culture.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:14
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something something culture fit
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Jun 21, 2017 15:21
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Doc Block posted:Chris Lattner, creator of LLVM, clang, and Swift, quit Apple to work at Tesla a few months ago, and has now quit Tesla. llvm, clang, and swift are all horrible so its not surprising the creator washed out when asked to do something more significant.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:24
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building neat things and quitting bad jobs, this is a guy yospos should look to for advice on how to live ones life
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Jun 21, 2017 15:24
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Shaggar posted:llvm, clang, and swift are all horrible so its not surprising the creator washed out when asked to do something more significant. unusually bad shaggar opinion. the rest is of lesser relevance, but llvm is a clear-cut Good Thing
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Jun 21, 2017 15:27
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I guess congrats on trying to turn Linux into a functional development environment? too bad they failed.
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Jun 21, 2017 15:32
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llvm is a generalized compiler backend, used for all kinds of actually sensible things, whenever you need to generate code really. for example the directx hlsl compiler https://github.com/Microsoft/DirectXShaderCompiler (and pretty much all opencl compilers similarly) i rather love emscripten as well (compile anything with a llvm frontend into javascript, i.e. take legacy c codebase and push it to the client), despite it being a rather dirty thing, but anything to not have to do javascript
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Jun 21, 2017 15:49
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edit: gently caress, beaten edit2: LLVM is modular, too. so you could pull in various pieces for an IDE or whatever and use it to assist with all kinds of stuff. given how useful and popular it is, I'm surprised google hasn't forked it, like they did with webkit. edit3: and clang is a pretty good C/C++/ObjC compiler based on LLVM. and unlike msvc++, clang doesn't intentionally ignore parts of the standard because ~Herb Sutter~ Doc Block fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 15:50
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Shaggar posted:I guess congrats on trying to turn Linux into a functional development environment? too bad they failed. lol
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Jun 21, 2017 15:51
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The Management posted:tesla continuing to confirm its status as a hot mess. wait have you actually worked with chris
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Jun 21, 2017 16:57
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rjmccall posted:wait have you actually worked with chris very briefly. The Management fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 17:08
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best of luck to you chris and god bless
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Jun 21, 2017 17:27
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What use does Tesla have with a compiler developer
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Jun 21, 2017 17:31
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sounds like a clever cookie rich should poach him for the xenforo migration imo
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Jun 21, 2017 17:40
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poty posted:sounds like a clever cookie rich should poach him for the xenforo migration imo lol
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Jun 21, 2017 17:50
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yeah I've wondered if Tesla engineering is a tire fire but you don't hear much about that side of it
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Jun 21, 2017 17:50
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chris specifically wanted to do something that was not compiler development i assume that's still true
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Jun 21, 2017 17:57
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i really would argue that the guy has finished compiler work. if he wanted to continue he would have to go into fundamental research mode. so likely very sensible to try to switch out up. less sensible to go to tesla, but oh well
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Jun 21, 2017 18:02
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quote:In January 2017, I joined the Tesla Autopilot team - helping to make the dream of fully autonomous cars a practical reality. rip fully autonomous cars
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Jun 21, 2017 19:32
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i'd question the benefit that some dumb compiler turbo-nerd can bring to a corp that makes cars and another corp that makes something? why doesn't he just go work somewhere that he is actually needed? also gently caress that motherfucker for having freedom of employment in tyool 2017. seamlessly transitioning between two prolly high paying jobs in one year is the biggest bs. oh woe is that bellend i hope he falls over!
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Jun 21, 2017 19:37
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wrong thread
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Jun 21, 2017 19:40
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sorry my bad. gas op/ban thread
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Jun 21, 2017 19:45
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oh sorry that was actually directed at myself i just ninja edited it
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Jun 21, 2017 20:03
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nice but my point still stands
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Jun 21, 2017 20:09
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Tesla's self driving team is a dumpster fire. basically everyone quit and Elon had to beg on twitter for applicants.
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Jun 21, 2017 20:46
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DuckConference posted:yeah I've wondered if Tesla engineering is a tire fire but you don't hear much about that side of it not software but my brother does some prototyping for tesla (fluid lines and poo poo) and he said they are pleasant to deal with as a customer and knowledgeable about what they need/want
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Jun 21, 2017 20:52
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Sagebrush posted:What use does Tesla have with a compiler developer he's a manager these days. running a team that's writing a compiler is not fundamentally different from running a team writing some other kind of software.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:57
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:not software but my brother does some prototyping for tesla (fluid lines and poo poo) and he said they are pleasant to deal with as a customer and knowledgeable about what they need/want i'm sure their hardware engineering is top-notch -- they have a great electric drivetrain and they are successfully making cars, which is not an easy task. it sounds like all the bullshit comes directly from elon and/or whoever's in charge of their software idiocy
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Jun 21, 2017 23:46
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didn't someone do a review of their software security and found it was not bad?
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Jun 21, 2017 23:48
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basically there are three things that anger me about tesla 1) their (elon's) insistence that their cars are far more capable under "autopilot" than they really are, which amounts to false advertising at best and criminal negligence at worst 2) their garbage UX design decisions that throw out eighty years of human factors research because someone (elon) believes the cars should look like iphones inside 3) their total refusal to allow anyone to even attempt to repair, modify or analyze the cars, going so far as to remotely revert the software on hackers' personal vehicles and sue people who have posted PDFs of the repair manuals online also i don't like that every tesla seems to come from the factory with a smug electricity pun license plate. other than that they're cool.
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Jun 22, 2017 00:12
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none of that is a software problem tho. 1 is a regulatory failure 2 is a design failure and 3 is lawyer poo poo
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Jun 22, 2017 00:14
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2) is partly a software failure in that they let the software engineers have too much influence over the design of the controls. a good designer with human factors/ergonomics experience would not have let them get away with "giant ipad controls everything." but yes, overall i don't think their software is poorly-coded, just mischaracterized (autopilot is not an autopilot) and half-baked (the UX sucks).
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