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AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

self unaware posted:

hmm what possible structural advantages could leftists face in a political system designed to serve the interests of the wealthy that aren't faced by political parties willing to enact the agenda of the elite?

No see, Americans are just intrinsically right wing.

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AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Governments are able to throw unlimited resources at insurrections directly undermining their ability to utilize said resources. Interesting.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Really though if we have reached the end of history because capitalist elites are unbeatable techno gods with omniscient Intel and infinite drones then we should all embrace slavery and fascism because that will be the only thing possible.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Guns. Socialism by a different name. Dems being bad.

Communists like guns too. National socialism is not socialism. Dems are indeed bad.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
So how is it a good show then?

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Willa Rogers posted:

Roseanne, herself, is nuts. But Vox, of all outlets, praised the reboot. A Politico piece also points out how the reboot tackles class issues.

The two back-to-back shows last night did very well in the ratings. Most of the objections I've seen online are by the same lanyards who are otherwise also opposed to discussing class-based messaging.

Vox probably praised it because the UHC dig gave them a stiffy.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

FactsAreUseless posted:

Bob's Burgers is very explicitly about a working-class family.

It's also the best one.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Yeah I'm sure the democratic party will become socialist instead of coopting everything to death like the last several times.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

RaySmuckles posted:

let's all hope so.

unrelated: remember when we all thought it was the GOP that was going to be ripped apart by a civil war and die? good times

Strangely enough there seem to be a lot of dems convinced the GOP is going to collapse any day now.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

GalacticAcid posted:

Obama’s enduring popularity is probably not worth attacking but instead should be used as a staging ground to make the case for actual progressive policy advancement.

Sadly, his popularity is basically hitched to neolib poo poo so good luck.

We'd be better off forgetting he ever existed.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Obama deserves to be a bit of trivia as the "actual first black president" that only history nerds know because a way better black president came along and dunked on his terrible legacy who is understood as the first black president by most.

Edit: Also, without a doubt if there is a serious threat from the left Obama will be carted out to rile up the The Many (infected with brainworms), so I have no idea how one would thread the needle of using his legacy as a springbroad while he takes said springbroad and breaks it over your back.

AstheWorldWorlds has issued a correction as of 23:00 on Apr 7, 2018

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Frijolero posted:

Prepare for even more concern-trolling about China's AUTHORITARIAN REGIME, when it comes to TPP and "pivoting to Asia."

Authoritarianism is such a useless, overused term. Basically just means "poo poo I don't like" now.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Yeah it does seem to be the case that the demands to vote for dems no matter what but also applying pressure was a case of people wanting to have their cake and eat it too.

Leftists have been saying for many years that there have to be consequences, and withholding support for bad dems was always the way to do it.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Al! posted:

yeah, give up on electoral politics for now that are structurally hostile to socialism and focus on building material aid networks with xtremely low barriers to entry to ease peoples dependencies on liberal capitalism (the dsa offering free childcare and organizing workplace rideshares would be a huge step in that direction). the religious right did this very effectively which is why they still have a stranglehold on american politics despite being electorially much weaker than they were during the clinton and bush years

Religious right also kind of had a ready made conduit for their ideas though. No such structural support exists for the "left"

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
The fact there really isn't much unifying the "left" probably doesnt help either.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
Left weakness makes more sense when you realize it's a bunch of different tendencies who literally can't cooperate because there's actually no substantial commonality among the left aside from the fact they want to kill the king, but that's not even true either.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
People have been saying it takes time for decades though, and it's not like the "left" has made zero effort. There's more to it than time and effort.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Main Paineframe posted:

what universe are you living in

the left has been trying harder and being more successful in the past year than it has been in the entire decade before that

too bad it takes more than a year of activism to go from zero to sweeping the electoral slate. especially for special elections

I live in the universe where people say "it takes time" while making hopeless gestures and things keep getting worse. Are you going to lecture me on the virtues of incrementalism now?

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Oh Snapple! posted:

"Movements take time to build" is not incrementalism.

The antecedents are a long time coming but the length of time movements take to gain power seems to vary wildly, so I'm not sure if I'd be totally comfortable just saying "it takes time" as one might simply be ignoring data.

I mentioned incrementalism because "it takes time" is one of the primary ways that ideological approach has been able to deflect against people pointing to its kind of miserable record of accomplishment.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Futuresight posted:

Incrementalism is aiming for small change. Trying as hard as you know how and only managing to make small changes is not at all the same thing.

This is also true. But the latter tends to limit the imagination to the former. I don't think we should just shrug our shoulders and go "it takes time" without some investigation I guess.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011
"Authoritarianism" doesn't exist, it's made up poo poo liberals used to equivocate state actions.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

WampaLord posted:

If you're going to assume that literally everyone is going to compromise and become a poo poo, yea I could see why you wouldn't bother getting excited.

The rest of us normal people are gonna still be happy that a loving DSA member got elected to the goddamn Congress.

They're a politician. Why would you categorically exclude this possibility?

Fwiw she seems fine atm.

AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Cerebral Bore posted:

See here you're assuming that liberalism isn't normally authoritarian as gently caress.

Strongly recommend Losurdo's book on liberalism.

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AstheWorldWorlds
May 4, 2011

Concerned Citizen posted:

is there any scenario where court packing doesn't quickly descend into constitutional crisis levels of absurdity? like in order to do it, first you'd have to abolish the legislative filibuster (since the court size is set by law, not just precedent). then you'd probably be declaring nuclear option to remove all rules that allow the minority to obstruct. after that, you are just confirming as many justices as you can - literally hundreds - as there is absolutely no reason to not do that. and as soon as the gop gets a senate majority/wh combo again, they then do the exact same thing back. i don't see how it's a desirable or realistic path.

i mean it'd be funny, like watching your government become a complete trainwreck, but also would not be funny because it'd be hosed up and somehow even more dysfunctional.

Don't worry dude its not gonna happen. Your gravy train is safe.

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