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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

this guy fucks

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Typo posted:

the basic conclusion I've reached is that at this point ideology don't really matter anymore for the American electorate and as long as you run a charismatic figure with anti-establishment credentials and "authenticity" you can attach whatever ideology/policy agenda you want to him/her and win

this is a retarded conclusion for morons. the right conclusion is: most people dont fuckin vote and hillary lost because the rust belt working class got tired of being lied to and stayed at home, run a good candidate with an actually good platform and you'll win.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

Dems will only ever take a hard good look at themselves when they, their consultants, ad agencies, staffers... stop getting checks. There is no incentive for them to change if failure doesn't affect their pay, which I'm convinced is the only thing that matters to them.

In that regard Hillary and Obama may have done a lot to make a reform within the party nearer.

💯

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Mister Fister posted:

Remember when Hillary had no personality and then her consultants had an interview with (i think the NYT) where they said they were working on it and were going to unveil her new personality or something like that?

poo poo like that was probably more damaging to mother's campaign than some russian clickbait.

what was probably most damaging to her campaign was being a right wing candidate that made people stay home after they'd already lost faith in the democrats due to 8 years of failure

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Man Musk posted:

I know it's hip to hate on woman politicians itt, but that's really disingenuous, even by suck zone standards

Here are some highlights from what the indictment says about a group of Russians in a time period from 2014:

* Posed as Americans, and opened financial accounts in their name

* Spent thousands of dollars a month buying political advertising

* Purchased US server space in an effort to hide their Russian affiliation

* Organised and promoted political rallies within the United States

* Posted political messages on social media accounts that impersonated real US citizens

* Promoted information that disparaged Hillary Clinton

* Received money from clients to post on US social media sites

* Created themed groups on social media on hot-button issues, particularly on Facebook and Instagram

* Operated with a monthly budget of as much as $1.25m (£890,000)

* Financed the building of a cage large enough to hold an actress portraying Hillary Clinton in a prison uniform

Here's the indictment proper for those interested: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

drat, a whole 15 million dollars a year budget and some facebook ads. they sound really significant

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
someone do a rundown comparison of russia's influence peddling in the us with the israeli lobby

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Man Musk posted:

Sure. Israel as far as we know isn't involved in identity theft, visa fraud, and money laundering to conduct its operations.

The strategic goal keep in mind was to sow discord and distrust in institutions, including and not limited to the 2016 election.

When Israel runs clandestine operations with the intent to destroy the US we can revisit this discussion.

the difference between israel and russia is that the former is a far more reprehensible country and its influence on american politicians has been legitimized.

if it wasnt for those drat russians i bet people would have so much more trust in institutions that deserve that trust

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Man Musk posted:

Interesting...

Reading the indictment, and the Russians paid for and organized pro-Trump rallies in New York, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida, which were then picked up and reported on by US media

Imagine if the Democrats had a foreign actor organizing rallies for them in purple states

interdasting...........

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

navyjack posted:

This just drives me batshit because Sanders primary voters...VOTED FOR CLINTON in the General!

they did? what a bunch of idiots

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
leftists bending over backwards to assert their loyalty in the general to the right wing shithead that was going to gently caress them in the rear end with the next round of liberal grifting is the most pathetic thing lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Its cool that your democrat donations are going to mentally ill incompetent consultants like this idiot: https://shareblueastroturf.netlify.com/

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

quote:

Other Democrats say the problem is not necessarily Pelosi herself but how she has chosen to combat the GOP tax law. The minority leader described benefits to the middle class — such as pay bumps or bonuses handed out by businesses after its passage — as “crumbs” compared with the tax breaks corporations received.

“I would not use crumbs personally, and I think a lot of Blue Dogs would not use crumbs,” said Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), a leader of the centrist coalition.

lmfao, how do you be such a bad dem that you make pelosi look good in comparison. labor party when

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Marxalot posted:

Something something cut a liberal and a facist bleeds.


In a more serious note I think 99% of it is just that people have fully accepted the good-cop bad-cop relationship between the Dems and the GOP. So any criticism of the former is seriously going to endanger people because the latter might win and their rhetoric is batshit insane.

That and where they get their news from. Watching MSNBC is like watching news from another planet. It's almost as bad as Fox at this point.

they're affluent cunts like WJ and even watered down keynesianism ala Sanders is a threat to them, no further psychonalysis required.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
the democratic party needs to die and you're not going to get any wealth redistribution or progress till that happens

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
fuckin love dnd

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So why do you want to get rid of Perez again?

Gen. Ripper posted:

All Republicans have not spontaneously combusted under his leadership, QED he is bad, there is no blue wave, and The Democrats Are A Waste.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i cant believe they're pulling the same old poo poo about electability after clinton vs trump. these people have no loving shame lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i dont care who did the dnc hacks, i care about what the hacks revealed. the russia hysteria exists to shift the focus away from the lovely failure that is the democratic party

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Yinlock posted:

the defining trait of centrism is the ironclad belief that there's a massive centrist voting base out there

that's how corbyn took over labour in the uk, the centrists actually made the voting fair because they thought they would be bolstered by the massive centrist wave

they're not doing it because they believe in it or because they think its popular they're doing it because they've been bought and are being paid to do it

this 'how can they be so dumb???' trope is exhausting

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Yinlock posted:

like they are obviously paid opposition but i'm not entirely sure they know that outside of the ringleaders

most careerists are aware of what they are

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

The Nastier Nate posted:

The democrat running against Katie Arrington has suspended all campaign activities while she is recovering in the hospital, I therefore give him an A+ for :decorum:

https://twitter.com/joecunninghamsc/status/1010467812270276614?s=21

joe cuckingham

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Joementum posted:

bernie also supports trump's milk tariffs

tariffs are cool.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
all the leftists support free trade now. the economist would be so proud

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Shear Modulus posted:

berkeley employing john yoo is a joke

i thought face off was a fine movie

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

it says i have to subscribe to read the full story

i dont want to do that

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Let's say there are three people on an island. The first enslaves the second. If the second has a right not to be enslaved, the third has to become a US marshal to stop him. So there is no 13th amendment. Kapiche?

time works the same way

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

etalian posted:

Look how Obama is spending his time visiting SV VC places:

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-visits-andreessen-horowitz-2018-6

grifter trash

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

WampaLord posted:

"Every single party in every democracy is liberal" isn't true no matter how you define liberal

i think it was fair to say of every major party in the UK barring UKIP, prior to corbyn

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Zas posted:

its a dang circus is what it is

the circus is in town

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
stalin was an evil, horrible monster...........DESPITE the fact that he merked a bunch of anarchists

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Shear Modulus posted:

why is AOC on twitter all day anyway

worked for trump

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
why is the only issue of the day ice and immigration. i get that its important and horrific but like it seems its drowning out everything else completely in the news

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

loquacius posted:

cowardice

They are scared to death of the Republican talking points

"We can't actually be a left party or the GOP would call us... *ulp*... socialists! :ohdear:"

I'd think that "they're gonna call you Stalin reborn regardless so just try to stand for something instead of nothing and let them say what they want" would be a lesson everyone had managed to learn by now but of course it isn't

they're not cowards or stupid (well, not necessarily). they're paid for this. this is corruption, not timidity.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
if only these paid off obligarch courtiers would realize that they could actually implement left policies, they would actually turn around and do it - me, brain genuios

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

lmfao, the nazis came to power because the germans abandoned the center left SPD because they decided to be the party of austerity

that sounds pretty familiar

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Al! posted:

saying that you're proudly following in the footsteps of the weimar republic is insane even by collaborator standars

lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Let's remember that Stein presides over an organization of literal tinfoil hat-wearers, their "party" get-togethers are truly embarrassments. She campaigned on "both sides are the same" when that could not be more obvious horseshit, and had an execrable platform even by third-party standards. We know Putin has his tentacles into fringe figures on the left (Oliver Stone has become his puppet) because they are desperate for their own source of wingnut welfare. We know she's been doing PR for the Kremlin's stance on the Ukraine, for example.

In a world where the fringe left doesn't have its own TV network in order to perpetuate and strengthen itself, the most shameless of them can be bought.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

loquacius posted:

your quotes, source them

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3819657&pagenumber=109&perpage=40#post479472967

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Lot of cspam posters with brainworms in that thread.


that guy posts here? lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
i read all the way through war and peace and regretted it. tolstoy sucks

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Joementum posted:

she had an interesting take on its message in What Happened?



lol

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