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PetraCore
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Pick posted:

Based on what I've seen I'd say it's mostly for complete lack of any kind of instruction in life on how to deal with ... anything, properly. No way of dealing with frustration, stress, confusion, anything. Zero life coping skills whatsoever. I think poor impulse control is right on the money too. Your second point is absolutely correct and I wish more people understood that.
Yeah. It's just really sad all around.

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PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Oh my god, he's so close to the problem with himself and yet so far.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Shanghaied posted:

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

And the testicles are vulnerable organs hanging on the outside of the body. And the appendix serves no conceivable purpose, but can get inflamed and kill you. Yeah the human body is not well designed.

Testicles hang outside of the body for ease of temp regulation, because normal body temps would damage sperm production.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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ReidRansom posted:

Also to show off your huge pendulous balls to potential mates, even if it doesn't necessarily attract them

It's more convenient than giant swollen red asses!

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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lazorexplosion posted:

Even if I was 8/10 face at 6'3 height with decent frame, as long as there is a male better looking than me, i will never be happy.

Whats the point if I KNOW that there are males living better lifes than me just because of genetics? No matter in which good position I imagine myself to be, can't shake the anger, envy and unfairness of other males living better lives than me because they are higher on the looks scale. I don't care about the "Chads are very few, you will probably run into one very few times". I don't care about numbers, I don't care about how if I was a 8/10, very few males would outclass me. I don't give a poo poo about how uncommon top tier males are, that doesn't give me the slighest relief. As long as there is ONE privileged male that has a better life quality because of birth genetics, i will never be at ease and this feeling of range, anger and hatred will never cease. I don't care if im somehow guaranteed to never run into someone better looking than me. Only knowing the fact that they exist and which life experience they may have makes my blood boil.

Ah, narcissism.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Pick posted:

You know I am pretty sure women actually don't care about sex as much as men do, and that needs to be respected instead of insinuating there's something wrong with women if they're not DTF 100% of the time.

Men aren't DTF 100% of the time either tho and the expectation that men always wanna gently caress has lead to some really hosed up stuff, too.

But like, you know that when people are making the argument that women aren't inherently less horny than men it's because we're coming from a cultural context where the existance of the clitoris was in hot debate until relatively recently and the female orgasm is still seen as a myth by signification portions of the population, right? If women don't care about sex as much as men do, I think that's mostly because men are in general really lovely at getting women off*.

* Because sex education is bad and people are still taught women don't orgasm

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Pick posted:

A lot of women are anorgasmic though. I think in different studies it usually hovers around 10% of women have never experienced climax and never will, and quite a few don't regularly (which may or may not be because their partners are trash).

Oh but that wasn't my point... yeah I think women genuinely don't care as much about sex though, on the whole, and that a lot of the sexual behavior of women in their teens and 20s, this based off of knowing a lot of women then and now, and being one, is basically the result of social pressure, and they did a lot of things that they genuinely didn't really want to do, but thought they were supposed to want to do if they were "free". It was a strategy that a male-dominated society used to try to get what it wanted, women be damned one way or the other.

I think part of the anorgasmia is mental feedback, though. Since female sexuality is treated so badly a lot of women get an averse response to it and sometimes the mind is just going to shut that down no matter how great their current partner is, like with vaginismus.

Like I'm not disagreeing with you on the pressure being insane and unhealthy, I'm just saying in the current state of things it's p impossible to determine what is truly biological and what is environmental because the environment aspect is so pervasive and so toxic.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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fruit on the bottom posted:

Actually it is, see also: Healthy at Every Size.

I couldn't tell you how prevalent it is offline, but there's large swathes of online communities that buy into it. The major belief is that there's no connection between obesity and health and that any opinion to the contrary is a form of fat phobia.

It's not good or healthy, but realize that HAES is basically exclusively women and it's really easy to see how it ties in with the general package of body and image issues women get subjected to.
Although the version I've seen that's more reasonable is that there's a problem with doctors immediately assuming every health problem is caused by being overweight or being blown out proportion when you're overweight. Obviously obesity has a correlation with overall health, but health problems can CAUSE obesity instead of being caused by them, and a lot of stuff is just unrelated, and it sucks to have that unrelated stuff missed because your doctor has decided what the problem was as soon as they've seen you.

EDIT: I also think that focusing on being healthier over specifically losing weight is more effective, even if weight loss is a byproduct of being healthier. If you just focus on dropping the pounds it's tempting to get into fad diets or extreme lifestyle changes that aren't maintainable, whereas if you measure your progress in multiple ways with weight just being one of them you can see results even if you're not dropping the pounds as quickly as you'd like. It's healthier to be fat and physically active and eating right than it is to be fat and exercising as little as possible and only eating junk food.

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Jul 20, 2017

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Hey Benny all your friends are assholes and their dumbass view of relationships is not actually the societal default. Also they're actively making you miserable with this bullshit, to the point that you're talking about it all the time with people who are making fun of you for the dumbass view your friends are pushing onto you. What are you looking for? A reality check? Because reality check, if all your friends ditch you because you won't put up with them actively damaging you, then they were friends that were, well, actively loving up your head in a really harmful way.

Don't worry about finding a girlfriend, you don't need one and it sounds like you don't really want one right now and that's fine. But I can tell you that if you don't cut these dudes out of your life, you're not going to get any happier no matter what else you do. They're emotional leeches.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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I mean Ted Bundy actually had very positive energy, in that he was charismatic and actively putting in the effort to hold good conversations with people and be charming and interested. The world would be a better place if he'd just gone online and never left his house, but the thing these incels don't seem to get is that it's not just about physical attraction, and the more successful predators work at being attractive in other ways and seeming interested and engaged in other people to better get away with stuff.

It's probably a good thing some of those people don't understand that, from a future harm capacity, but it's not like Ted Bundy or Charles Manson were just pretty faces.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Pick posted:

Yeah, actually a lot of these guys had a history of creeping women out (and so they didn't go out with these guys, which turned out to be completely justified from a safety standpoint wooow)

Well that's good at least.

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Jul 20, 2017

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chumbler posted:

Isn't screwed up teeth correlated with modern diets or am I just half remembering something? And I mean not just the mountains of sugar in everything part of modern diets.

Yeah the typical modern American has much more access to foods that can mess with your teeth than the average hunter-gatherer, just by virtue of globalization, agriculture, etc. Sugar is a huge aspect. 'Cavepeople' tended to have surprisingly good teeth, but the downside was when they DID get cavities or had other tooth problems it was likely fairly debilitating.

EDIT: Like now you can just get a filling and try not to get another cavity, but back then I imagine you had to just pull the tooth and hopefully you've got something to dull pain for the surgery.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Palpek posted:

Those reddit incels aren't some super intelligent academics too socially inept to find a partner. They've been proving over and over that they have poor knowledge and cognitive skills. They come off as people not better in those areas than your average Joe but the average Joe at least showers.
They're too drat stupid to know how ignorant they are.

Even people who are slow learners can apply themselves and become educated and informed decision makers. Incels just let their brains rot on pseudofacts.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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HazCat posted:

Computer programming was primarily women's work for years. Here is the first result for googling "was programming seen as women's work".

And here's the second and the third, in case you'd like to learn about how women pioneered computer programming.
Hardware was considered men's work and software was women's work, weirdly enough, despite the fact that no matter how well you build your rocket, if you can't aim it properly it's useless. Just like the best programming can't save shoddy worksmanship! It's really interesting.

Anyway here's Margaret Hamilton posing with paper copies of the navigation software she and her development team wrote for the Apollo project.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Anne Whateley posted:

There are some false negatives but really not a lot of false positives.
Depends. A lot of autistic mannerisms ping as creepy, doubly so if the autistic person happens to be a huge, intimidating looking dude. Obviously there's autistic guys who are misogynists or dangerous, but most of them probably won't be. Kinda sucks that people with developmental disorders can get caught in the net of trusting your instincts, but also, it's not like someone's obligated to talk to a stranger or whatever anyway. Once you get to know people more you can usually figure out if they're just weird but harmless.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Anne Whateley posted:

Assuming we're talking about super high-functioning, verbal autistic people with normal IQs?

If you're able to internalize that other people are people, you should be able to learn normative behavior by rote by the time you're into adulthood.

If you aren't able to learn (or aren't interested in learning) that other people are people, and you can't or won't abide by big social norms, yeah that's legit dangerous.

Sure, there are people who are still awkward, but awkwardness doesn't really look like dangerous misogyny.
Yeah I was more talking about awkwardness, and stuff like eye contact discrepancies and potentially staring. But then again I worked out how long until a glance became a stare when I was a kid, so that's the sort of thing people should have down by adulthood. But yeah I was referring more to body language and not anything actually said, because once you start talking to someone it's a lot easier to tell, like you said. Awkwardness and dangerous misogyny are different.

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Jul 20, 2017

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SatansOnion posted:

The main character's self-image metamorphoses over the course of the comic, as his commitment to improving his character becomes more apparent. A :unsmith: Cartoon.
Except for the racism, I agree.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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BrigadierSensible posted:

This post is going to sound a little racist, but we have been focusing on the white, American incels, and I think incel-ness can really take a hold in the hearts and minds of certain members of the Indian community.

Imagine you are a smelly useless loser without a good job or any sort of skills, but because you are the first born son you have been doted on by your mother who literally worships the ground you walk on and has told you all your life how ace and awesome you are. You still live at home, (why not? mum still does the cooking and cleaning and washing up etc.), but at some stage all this parental devotion turns into worry, and the worry turns into nagging. "When are you going to get married?" style nagging. But because you are a shut in loser, you have never, and don't know how to meet girls, let alone date.
Don't worry, because your family is super traditional, they will set you up with acceptable, appropriate women, (based on how well her parents like your parents, and how fair her skin is, what part of India the family is from, etc.), so you can both sit and have an awkward conversation in the company of yoru expectant parents.
Now, the way that arranged marriage works these days, (at least among the educated classes), is that either the potential bride or potential groom can say no for any reason and it is officially OK. Of course there is the nagging etc. but once you say no, your mum can't make you marry anyone you don't like. So smelly loser gets set up with some reasonably attractive, nice, and intelligent women who are forced to meet with him out of the same sense of famillial guilt. But these girls have, if not much then some, agency, so after polite chitchat with the parents, they go away and say "no thanks, I don't want to marry this guy" for whatever reason.
After several of these rejections, and with his doting mother constantly telling him it is not his fault, for he is a perfect golden god, this smelly useless entitled loser starts to believe that women are all bitches who only want rich/handsome supermen, and are too dumb/shallow to appreciate all his good qualities. gently caress them, why aren't they all lining up to be with me? Why can't I get the pure, virginal, super beautiful, demure, maid/cook, wife that I have been promised by my super repressive culture?
Then you go on the internet, and find the incel community reinforcing all your bad ideas about femoids and how shallow/stupid/slutty they are. You watch popular culture/TV etc. and take away the idea that only the idealized version of white beauty is desirable, and so start hating all your minor and perceived racial/genetic flaws. All the while retreating from the outside world, and hating/fearing what is out there.

To mitigate a little of the racism/stereotyping of the previous paragraphs, I will say that I am half Indian myself so I have seen family members and family friends go through the Arranged Marriage dance, and my cousin actually got married through that process. Her and her husband seem happy, and live in Florida with their two kids. Also, I don't know any incels, or anyone made incel this way. I am just imagining how this process can further break the already broken.
Yeah but to be fair the arranged marriage thing would serve as literally a set way to meet women, although they'd still have to work on coming off well. People in r/incels don't even want to work on coming off well, and part of that is depression messing up their executive function and part of that is not knowing HOW to grow as a person, but a lot of it is also entitlement.

PetraCore
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Sentient Data posted:

I love American culture! Busy World is my favorite show ever, even though it might not be quite as deep as Totally Spies. What did you think about the third season finale of Powerpuff Girls?
This is a good post.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Liquid Communism posted:

Slaves have more agency than these chuckle fucks want, what they're really looking for is a supermodel with a dog brain or at least an ice pick lobotomy.

:stonk:
Hey now, some of them want someone with enough agency and intelligence to really suffer.

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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The thing that gets me is I can see being socially starved enough to misread the apple thing as bad, but almost all of them comment on the hug at the end as a negative thing, like... uh???

Also they're all calling her fat and she's really not, although I wouldn't call her skinny, and they're nitpicking at her eating an apple... in an apple orchard...

EDIT: Also they all decide he's a handsome adonis just unable to hit the 8/10 ranking without ever seeing his face, BUT while seeing his male-pattern baldness. Not that bald guys are ugly, but it's just a total reversal of their stupid rankings.

PetraCore
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She's chubby but not overly so. Probably overweight in terms of BMI. Looks nice to me, though.

Like seriously if that's your metric for 'very fat' something's broken with your perspective.

PetraCore
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noether posted:

fun fact: the author of ready player one is an incel type


Ooooh my god. I mean you certainly don't have to like that kind of porn but calling the women in them 'objects' and 'disgusting' isn't very feminist.

PetraCore
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Somfin posted:

Lol like incel quarks can get strange
Well they sure don't have beauty or truth, so I guess it's up or down for them.

PetraCore
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This is a fetish right.

PetraCore
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Literally A Person posted:

It's really hard to jerk off through that kind of eye pain but, uh, yeah probably.
More specifically I think the poster is getting off on humiliating others and maybe getting them to hurt themselves.

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PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

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Benny Harvey posted:

Showing bloody sheets to the groom's family is a thing for gypsies.

E: lol I say that as if the groom and bride have different families.
Jesus, you're racist too?

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