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I'm sorry but giving up a first rounder for a goon who doesn't even really have the "He can play a little" qualifier is unacceptable, even in a thin draft. If the Penguins felt they needed toughness, surely there was somebody in a team's AHL system who's just as a capable of putting somebody's lights out, and they're probably cheaper and more skilled at actual hockey. Tony Peluso is a UFA, and I'd bet he wants less than the 4.5M PGH owes Reaves over the next 4 years. And he can scrap, too. What baffles me about this is Reaves doesn't even fight that often. He didn't even crack the top 10 in PIM's , and out of the top 10, pretty much everybody in that list is a better player than Ryan Reaves, except Mark Borowiecki. Even Reaves himself was befuddled as to why he got traded for a first rounder.
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Schremp Howard posted:Reaves only has next year left on that deal. My bad you're right. But paying him 1.1M is still a problem. Plus if they don't re-sign him or offer an extension, that means they coughed up a 1st rounder for a year of a goon. That's insane. The Pens have a chance at winning 3 cups in a row still, but having cap space eaten up by a schlub like that doesn't help. Especially when that 1st rounder could have been packaged with something to get them defensive help, as we saw with the Hamonic trade.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:53
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I'm curious to see what Calgary does with their remaining cap space (15M). I'd think they're re-signing Bennett and Chiasson, probably not Versteeg (or if they do it's hopefully for less money) or almost definitely not Elliott. If he wasn't going after such a HUGE contract I'd have interest in Radulov, but that's a mighty long deal for a 30 year old. a false posted:is nashville letting mike fisher walk. I believe the story circulating during the finals was the finals were it for him, win or lose
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Jun 26, 2017 04:08
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Andreychuk would be an embarrassing induction. He's 14th all time in goals, and 29th all time in points. He belongs in the hall.
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Jun 26, 2017 15:59
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bewbies posted:neely was way, way better, and also sea bass. He would have had much better numbers if he'd stayed healthy, but that's a big if sadly
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Jun 26, 2017 16:12
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bewbies posted:50 goals in 49 games and also actually made all star teams, four times in fact. All star teams are meaningless bullshit and even if they mattered, Andreychuk played in 2 all star games.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:15
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bewbies posted:I see you're confusing the all star game with all star teams, I'll let you rethink this post. Since both are meaningless it doesn't matter, that won't be necessary. I mean, I agree Neely was a fair bit better, I just think using any iteration of all star appearances is the dumbest way possible to prove it.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:24
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a false posted:also if you're going to use this argument and then say neely was that much better you should probably note that neely had ray bourque and adam oates playing alongside him during his best goal scoring years, who are 4th and 7th, respectively, all time in assists They both got to play with some HOF-level talent. Andreychuk played with Turgeon, Perrault, Housley, Vaive, and a young Mogilny. FWIW, I think both Neely AND Andreychuk belong in the hall. I think punishing Neely for being a victim of cheap shots when he was clearly a world class goal scorer is dumb.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:45
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a false posted:my point is i don't really see why the gradual accrual of stats over a long successful career as a good player is that highly valued over a player amassing a lot of points in a short amount of time and then flaming out. i think you could absolutely argue that a player who made 20 years of solid contributions had more absolute value as a player than a guy who only had 4 or 5. the idea of one player being Obviously Better than another player becomes so arcane at a certain point that it is by its own nature inherently false (the 'obviously' in particular) unless your example is something like gretzky vs ... i don't know, a player who was not that great. john druce. whatever. The reason people tend to think Hasek was significantly better than Brodeur is that Hasek was good wherever he went once he became a starter, and Brodeur's numbers seemed to be dependent on the quality of New Jersey's defence, especially in his later years. I think Brodeur belongs in the hall, because he was very good for a long time. But I'd rather have Hasek. Keep in mind I think Hasek's a contender for GOAT at his position.
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Jun 26, 2017 16:58
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ThinkTank posted:Nothing about 2005/06 makes any sense. Eric Staal had 100pts then was PPG one more time in his career (82 in 82 in 07/08). Jonathan Cheechoo had 56 goals then was out of the league four years later. Shanny scored 40. Peter Prucha was the hot, young goalscoring winger for the Rangers. Todd Bertuzzi was still an effective player. Mathieu Schneider lead the league in goals from the blueline. Cristobal Huet posted a .929. The Red Wings put up 124 points then somehow lost to the 8th seeded Oilers who'd go on to force a Stanley Cup 7th game against the Hurricanes on the back of an all world performance from Fernando Pisani. Do you just mean because he was 35-36 at the time?
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Jun 26, 2017 17:01
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Kilza posted:Breaking up Hall of Fame chat for a second: Lehtonen's largely considered the better of the 2, right?
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Jun 26, 2017 17:03
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DJExile posted:nvr4gt You can have 3 goalies or 1 Connor McDavid!
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Jun 26, 2017 17:13
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Jordan7hm posted:Lehtonen had the cleanest exit from a butterfly I'd ever seen when he first joined the league. I thought for sure he'd end up being very good. Sucks he couldn't do anythat else. I remember when he was drafted, they talked about how risky it is to draft a goalie with a high 1st round pick, but that this was probably pretty safe. Didn't really work out, and his best year was probably for Dallas in '05-06. In fairness, his numbers in Finland were insanely good.
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Jun 26, 2017 17:24
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Matt Zerella posted:I'll take Lehtonen cheap to back up Hank and work with Allaire. He'd actually be a fine backup if it weren't for the pricetag really, so I agree
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Jun 26, 2017 17:37
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Curious to see who bites on Radulov
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Jun 26, 2017 17:54
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Swerve right Burke, Stone's a better player and Rasmus Andersson probably is, too
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Jun 26, 2017 17:55
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ThinkTank posted:Sure, and I wouldn't mind Yak. He's a no risk signing considering he'll be a free agent, but it's almost like people expect he'll suddenly round into form as a top six scorer if given the opportunity. He's a 4th line forward and not a very good one, people really need to temper their expectations on him. I can't speak for anybody else, but I feel like if you have the ability to score 15-20 goals once, you can do it again. Taking a flyer on the kid with the hope he can be a 2nd or 3rd line quality forward when he's shown that ability in the past isn't too crazy. I agree him living up to his pre-draft hype isn't happening, though. But I'd be excited if Calgary offered him a deal.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:18
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:That second year has got to be frightening to anyone thinking to sign him (unless he's some sort of fitness freak) I wonder if he'd take a one year deal with a team option worth the same amount if a contender offered him a deal
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Jun 27, 2017 17:40
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Isn't Staal generally considered better than Sbisa and Emelin, even with the injuries affecting his play?
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Jun 27, 2017 17:55
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Matt Zerella posted:He's really really bad OP. Right, but Sbisa and Emelin are considered worse, aren't they?
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Jun 27, 2017 18:00
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Zodijackylite posted:Oh, right, I forgot Marc Staal exists. Maybe we can send him to Minnesota to be with his brother, and hope it works out better than it did with Boogaard. 
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Jun 27, 2017 18:11
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Is Spencer Foo able to contribute right away or does he need a year or two in the AHL?
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Jun 28, 2017 04:21
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ThinkTank posted:Yeah, this is the only instance in which anyone connected with the team has used the word and I've heard less forced admissions of infidelity: What kills me about that statement is the condescending tone; "Oh sure we're rebuilding guys, you believe whatever you want". You missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years and got bodied by a team nobody expected to make the playoffs in that one year, and they're a rival, to boot.
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Jun 28, 2017 18:43
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yellowcar posted:At least it won't be the Yaroslavl team plane. He'll just offer a 1st rounder for that one
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Jun 28, 2017 18:44
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Mike_V posted:https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/880155636591456256 It's not a bad idea to add a vet like Mason to be the starter while those youngins get ready. Comrie's struggled a bit in the AHL, Helleybuck was inconsistent last year, and Pavelec is a UFA who sucks 20 dicks in net.
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Jun 28, 2017 21:12
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ThinkTank posted:I am really impressed by Jim Benning's complete inability to lure Vancouver born players to the Canucks even with the ability to offer more money and ice time than anyone else. He is a supremely horrible general manager. xzzy posted:Jagr is 55 games or around there from having played the most games in the history of the NHL, someone really needs to let him get one more year in. Jim Benning, come on down!
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Jun 30, 2017 03:41
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Duckman2008 posted:How did Jagr look on Florida last year anyway? From what I've read he lost a step but if somebody needs forward depth that has real ability and a shitload of experience, they could do worse.
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Jun 30, 2017 03:50
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TeamJesus posted:Giordano - Dougie Hamilton I want it to be Andersson or Kylington (probably the former) instead of Kulak, but otherwise, giddyup
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Jul 1, 2017 04:14
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Too bad they have no picks or forward prospects or more than 6 forwards. I'm intrigued by Adam Ruzicka and Mark Jankowski but otherwise this is basically true. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Jul 1, 2017 05:15
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Jonathan Fisk posted:10.5? Christ He's the best goalie in hockey, with the exception of maybe Bobrovsky, although I can see maybe having an issue with committing 10.5M to a guy behind suspect D who will probably only play 60-65 games a year
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Jul 2, 2017 19:19
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Aphrodite posted:They'll just dump him on an expansion team. gently caress, now I'll be disappointed if KC gets a team and doesn't use this name
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Jul 2, 2017 19:57
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If it is for Sbisa, I think we can dial back the "Goerge is an idiot" rhetoric, although I'll maintain that he still drafted sorta poorly and should have just just rolled the dice on Hudon.
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Jul 2, 2017 20:06
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Stretch Marx posted:Thorton and I have the same beard colouration and he's only 7 years older than me. =/ You're a Leafs fan, it's understandable
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Jul 3, 2017 03:49
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stab posted:Bergevin get all the broken old scorers like its nhl 2005 all over again I wonder if Vanek has really gotten much interest. His year wasn't awful, but he's 33 and it wasn't great, either. I feel like he'd have to come in cheap, maybe about 1.5-2.5 M on a 1 year deal
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Jul 3, 2017 18:09
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I dunno, 50 pts on a team that has like 2 good offensive forwards other than him is pretty solid. I agree it's an overpay though, I'd have offered 4 yrs, 22M, take it over leave it
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Jul 3, 2017 18:17
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Brodeurs Nanny posted:So the Devils still really need to add another winger to play in the top nine. As of now, lines look something like this: I wonder if they'll pursue somebody like Stalberg
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Jul 3, 2017 18:21
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Untrue, there's a pretty strong consensus that PK Subban is a great man
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Jul 7, 2017 00:50
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Levitate posted:I thought Jokinen has been trending downward pretty bad recently? He's not a bad risk to take because he offers forward depth and it's only a 1 year deal. They probably gave him like, 1.5M or something, seems like a low risk high reward sitch
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Jul 7, 2017 18:41
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This discussion reminds me of something I've been wondering: how much say does Brad Treliving actually have? I know he's the GM, but Burke is a known quantity and he's prez of hockey operations, so I feel like he supercedes any impulse Treliving has good or bad...
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He's solid, but more importantly he had an awesome response when a reporter asked after a hat trick when the last time he had one was, he goes "Probably in mites?". Which is hockey for like, 8 year olds I believe.
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