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Soviet Commubot posted:

lol, you can now do Paris-Rennes (373km) in the same time you can do Rennes-Châteaubriand (61km) or Brest-Quimper (91km). I can't wait for everyone who isn't a rich Parisian to get priced out of the city and have to move somewhere awful like Saint Brieuc.

I don't know how anyone can stand to live in Paris... or afford to, but that's another story. I've lived in two large cities in my life, both French speaking, and despite speaking excellent French I was nearly insane after two months. No wonder people who go there for tourism think that all of the French are colossal connards. After about six weeks all I wanted was for someone to suffer needlessly and that I be the cause of it.

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I live in North America, mais j'ai glandé toute la journée quand même afin de soutenir mes confrères français... aussi parce que je suis flemmard.

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HookShot posted:

This is a fantastic idea and I will be doing it tomorrow as well.

Solidarité


Liberté, egalité, fraternité, solidarité... chardonnay?

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Toplowtech posted:

It's a real estate wet dream, you can rebuild whole part of the town as the olympic village without the usual tons of legal protections to bother you and you can resell them as habitation to richer people later. The fact that the village will be build in Seine Saint Denis is pretty telling. I expect some serious gentrification. gently caress, everyone with money and their mothers are probably already buying some buildings around the site.
Some past example:
http://sociologyinfocus.com/2012/08/the-olympic-transformation-regeneration-or-gentrification/
http://www.rioonwatch.org/?p=6600

I don't see how anyone without tons of money could afford to live in Paris, period. I lived there for a while in one tiny room and I genuinely do not know how anyone can shoulder the cost of living there and in other big cities.

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I just wanted to state that I disapprove of the term un sharknado because it's franglais. I would like to propose the alternate term une réquinade which is actually French, sounds better and would be readily accepted by les immortels.

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HookShot posted:

Le soleil ne se couche jamais sur l'empire Francais.

... car Dieu se méfie des salauds la nuit.

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Barbe Rouge posted:

there's a clip of louise mensch dong it on one of the british quasi-quiz shows (dunno what to call stuf like have I got news for you) and the rest of the panel dumped on her like the idiot she is

In the UK those are generally called "Panel Shows" (see also QI and Would I Lie to You?), and if you have a clip of this I would love to see it.

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What a snotty loving oval office.

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I was reading up on the artist formerly known as Jean-Phillipe Léo Smet on Wikipedia, and I was not at all surprised to hear that he moved to Switzerland years ago to avoid paying taxes in France. I just love people who are so grossly overprivileged that they can be taxed at a very high percentage and still be rich as gently caress, but go to the trouble of fleeing to another country to avoid showing any social responsibility with their excessive wealth. For more information about this phenomenon, see also Gérard Depardieu.

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lost in postation posted:

I'm Jewish, and the only two clearly antisemitic aggressions I've ever been a victim of were from skinhead types. Obviously I don't go waving a menorah around in the ghetto but claiming that far right anti-Semitism is non-existent seems a bit odd to me.

As a guy who's not too keen on the whole Israel thing, I'm also not so sure about where I fit in in the not-at-all-farcical islamo-gauchiste conspiracy

I'm also a Jew, and I basically just didn't talk about when I lived in France, and since I legally used my mother's last name there, which is very gentile, it didn't give me away. I'm uninformed and neutral/apathetic about Israel as well. I actually had a fellow TA in grad school here in the US who once asked me in a very quiet voice where she could go for the end of the Yom Kippur fast, which I do observe, and I directed her to Hillel on campus. She asked me in private in a very hushed and tremulous voice about it because she knew I was a fellow Jew, and it was a big wake up call to me that anti-Jewish sentiment is alive and well in la belle république. Here last name is Cahen, derived from the common Jewish surname Cohen, so she's a lot more "marked" than I am.

I preferred to say "anti-Jewish" above rather than "anti-Semitic" because the latter technically includes Muslims as well, who do indeed have it rough in modern France, but I wanted to focus on just the one cultural/religious group.

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

On dit souvent que les capitalistes vous vendront la corde pour les pendre. Là, c’est pratique, ils ouvrent eux-mêmes les camps fermés de rééducation idéologique dans lesquels on ne se privera pas de tous les enfermer quand on aura pris le pouvoir. Après tout, le capitalisme n’est-il pas contraire aux valeurs de liberté et d’égalité qui forment le socle de nos principes républicains ?

T'es décidément un orateur doué, mec.

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Chez les Français, c'est toujours la grève.

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I don't know how much time you've spent in the anglophone nations, specifically the US/UK/Canada, but there I can attest that it's "Live to work", not "Work to live". Virtually no holiday time, long hours, miserable work culture.

Just to give you an example, our de facto assistant manager at work has been there a year. We've been so understaffed that he's often worked 55-60 hours per week, yet he's accumulated a total of two days paid holiday. That's so insulting that I think that he should use those two days to find the CEO of our company and spend about 48 hours beating him fiercely with The Rights of Man.

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pots-de-vin sounds so lovely until one realises that it's not meant to be taken literally.

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I am regrettably still in the US. The one upside about this country's complete lack of global awareness is that you can convince people of bloody near anything, and everyone already thinks that the French are all cheese-eating socialists who do nothing all day but shag each other senseless. I could convince them that every single university student in a country of nearly 70 million is on strike right now just as easily as I could convince them that the ghost of DeGaulle (who they wouldn't know anyway) came back from the dead and is currently walking around Tours on his hands while spreading rose petals and friendship.

Edit: Typo

JustJeff88 fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 5, 2018

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Not really surprising. I've always wanted to see massive labour strikes here to shake people up a bit and stick it to our corporate overlords, but I already know that the public reaction would be to blame the strikers. Nobody here gives a gently caress if thousands and millions are being horribly exploited, has no health care and can't even feed themselves without government assistance; they just don't want to be inconvenienced. If you have a horrible job then it's your fault for being lazy and stupid and not spending enough time sucking up to a probably non-existent and certainly arbitrary God until he makes you poo poo money.

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Soviet Commubot posted:

Maybe it's because I grew up poor as gently caress in the rural Midwest that living in France pushed me pretty far to the left. I suppose falling in with a bunch of far-left Breton nationalists probably exacerbated that but still.

If I remember correctly, you were poor as gently caress in France as well and then you had a high-paying job offer back in the US. When someone is very deprived and then manages a position of some comfort and "success", they can turn two ways: they can become a trouduc suffisant who thinks that everyone else who is still poor is just stupid, lazy or entitled, or one can actually develop some human loving compassion and not constantly support ideas that dehumanise les plus démunis. It goes without saying, I hope, that I opted for the latter path and I hope that you did as well.

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Kurtofan posted:

i think anyone who says "le deal" is a complete and utter moron

Thank you; I was thinking exactly that. I already speak English and I avoid franglais as much as possible.

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I actually came here to say that Macron is a bastard for having a last name extremely similar to one of my favourite biscuits, but upon seeing the above I genuinely got the dry heaves. Once my stomach stops spasming, I'll just eat different pastry.

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En tant que sale fourmi britannique, je percute pas, là. Faut qu'on me l'explique.

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As someone in a country that recently had a presidential election where the only decent candidate(s) didn't make it to the final two (the US) and whose election choices were between one of two evils, France has my infinite sympathy. Unfortunately, France chose the ever so slightly lesser of two evils while the US flat-out went for the Sith lord with obvious personality disorders and a murderous temper.


Replace the tree and make the president disappear instead.

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Taxation to me has always shown the inherent flaw of capitalism, putting aside the albatross wherein it encourages people to be greedy, sociopathic dicks. Rich fuckers hate paying taxes because heaven fore-loving-fend that they show any social responsibility to the people from whom they made all of their money, so countries, states, provinces and other municipalities lower taxes to attract "innovation and investment" so that rich fuckers will "create jobs", which of course means that they come in and grossly underpay their workers while making huge piles of money and putting far too little of it back into the infrastructure that allows them to exist. Naturally, this causes budget shortfalls which either lead to huge cuts in social services, further immiserating the proles, or you jack up tax rates on people who aren't able to hide all of their money in Luxembourg, which takes what little they have in the first place.

Did I mention that capitalism is shite?

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This came up in the libertarian thread, which could use some new life if anyone fancies a trip over to it, but I'm going to cross-post here because I feel it's appropriate given that Macron le minable and Forbes, which has all of the journalistic integrity of a version of the Torah penned by Hitler, are convinced that France's problems are due to far too much worker dignity obstructionist government policies. I refer you to this article.

For those of you not familiar with it, George Mason University is a public (this is important for irony points) university located in the state of Virginia, USA. Besides an impressive run in the NCAA basketball tournament a few years ago, they are mostly known for an economics department that one can trust for unbiased research as much as one can trust a starving fox to guard the chickens. The econ department there is given huge amounts of money by ultraconservative organisations, the most prominent of which is the Koch family. These lovable humanitarians worship Ayn Rand and genuinely believe that they were born with the divine right to kill poor people for sport and resent the government for stopping them from doing so.

To summarise the article, a "professor" at George Mason did some intense research where he openly admitted that he was going to find quantifiable evidence that government intervention hurts the economy. Putting aside his total lack of objectivity, he amazingly admitted after great effort that he found no correlation. That's the amazing part. The funny part, assuming that you laugh every time that you throw up your own stomach, is that he remains solidly against government intervention in the economy and is sure that only the free market can solve the problem of rapidly dropping "economic dynamism", which I'm sure by pure coincidence has closely correlated with the massive deregulation that really kicked off during the Reagan and Thatcher era.

I'm going to end this jaunt as talking about it makes me genuinely ill, but I felt it appropriate given recent events.

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HookShot posted:

I always read InOui as "ennui".

Not just me, then.

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

On va lui faire sa fête, à Macron

Faut m'y inviter que je sois là pour lui donner un joli coup de pied bout de gâteau.

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As a Brit speaking for both his native country and France, maybe it's time to give absolute monarchy another chance. It would be just as bad, but we wouldn't have the nauseating pretence that Ms. May or M. Macron are in any way acting in the best interests of the people. Monarchy is, at least, totalitarisme dévoilé; neoliberal "democracy" is just taking the piss... on everyone who isn't a billionaire.

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Aucune coïncidence qu'on ne peut éppeler "Macron" sans toutes les lettres qui figurent dans "con".

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HookShot posted:

The answer to 2 is that Canadians are hugely racist against First Nations people.

As a born-but-not-raised Canadian who has spent several sizeable chunks of his life there and served in the RCAF, this is true and very sad. Everyone talks about how "inclusive" Canada is, both inside and outside of the country, but Canada was and is horrible to Native Canadians, if you'll pardon the term. Whenever there is a media moment about Canadian's being so lovely, this is always glossed over. Given that and how badly the US treated the Native Americans, I'm starting to think that people just reflexively hate anyone who got there first.

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As a Brit who is seriously considering renouncing his citizenship when GB finally leaves, it's a tragedy whether it works out better just for Britain, for the rest of the EU, for both or for neither. Regardless of the outcome, it shows that people are greedy, racist arseholes who are incapable of working together for the better good, and we may as well just sit back and get ready for another huge war at some point.

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That's conservatism for you... cut the funding, support and staff for anything that you don't like and then point out how "big gubment" (yes, many Americans do pronounce it this way) or the private entity doesn't work. It's the same principle as starving a race horse to save money and then pointing out that it can't run very fast before shooting it in the head, but most people aren't smart enough to pick up on this simple premise.

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Un joyeux 14 juillet à toutes et à tous. Bourrez-vous les gueules et réjouissez-vous que les Bleus soient en finale, car le surlendemain Macron sera toujours le chef d'État.

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Kurtofan posted:

Allez les bleus

I am still proud of England for coming in 4th after years and years of underperforming at the WC/Euros despite incredible talent, but I am gutted that we didn't get to see France/England in the final.

Peripherally, I am happy for Belgium doing so well as they are enjoying something of a Golden Generation right now, and that's not common for such a small country. Wales had that at Euro, which was otherwise absolutely horrible, but sadly they couldn't replicate that success in a global event.

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Démolissons d'abord la Ve République; après, FIFA.

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Other fun facts: America, despite having the second highest Jewish population (not per capita necessarily, just raw quantity) in the world (France is 3rd), there's still a healthy dollop of anti-semitism despite being and overwhelmingly Christian country who worships a Jewish carpenter as the son of God. I'm also a Brit who lives in the US, and my favourite kind of discrimination is that people assume that any British accent is an affectation in order to get people to like you, sound more cultured or what have you. Nothing more fun to me than spending years being mocked, alienated and on several occasions almost physically beaten for speaking slightly differently than the surrounding population only to be told by Americans who've never left the country that my accent is clearly put on and I'm just doing it in order to get sex.

In an admittedly weak defence of American society, anyone and everyone here who hasn't spent a long time in the US also needs to realise also that there are a lot of people in a country of 300+ million that don't perpetuate or accept racism and the like. I have a very cynical view of my adopted country of residence and freely admit that modern Britain is a festering pisshole of hatred for minorities, but I really want you to understand how many people are trying to make things better. Having said that, the one minority that America universally despises is the poor. Neoliberalism is the philosophy that the only good discrimination is economic discrimination. There may be a great deal of compassion for racial minorities and the like, but there is no significant trace of egalitarian economic policy or even compassion for the disenfranchised to be found here. The only two political parties of consequence here are "Poor people are lazy and so are blacks, which is why they are all poor" while the other is "It's wrong to hate a homeless black man for being black, but it's okay to hate him for being poor." This country despises the poor, even the so called "liberals". Economic discrimination is the one kind of discrimination here that everyone basically agrees is just fine. If you are getting flack for being an immigrant, black, a woman, a religious minority or the like, a lot of people will have your back, but poor people are universally lazy, stupid, corrupt, immoral and deserve all the misery that they get. The American leftist philosophy is that racism is a vile cultural construct - which I'm sure we'd all agree with - but poverty is a consequence of personal weakness and failings and not in any way the inevitable outcome of an economic system that concentrates wealth among those who need it the least, encourages people to applaud and emulate those who have amassed ludicrous amounts of wealth while millions suffer and demonizes the least powerful as lazy leeches on society rather than the victims that they are.

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Toplowtech posted:

To be honest there are Americans who do that* but yeah shouldn't get heat for it. Sadly unlike us, you can't start talking another language to shut them up, it's only an accent.

*And also end up on tv shows covering royal marriages.

I actually do speak another language, but as I learned my French mostly in Canada I do it with a slight Canadian accent. Virtually nobody speaks it where I live regardless, so I almost never use it. I see your point, though, and I appreciate your support. Brits in general tend to be very self-deprecating, as do Jews... being both, I lean heavily on that and mix in a lot of British slang and the like for colour. It's a defence mechanism, but I've found over the years that if I take the piss out of myself, people are less likely to do it for me.

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Condiv posted:

this is how US racism works. being in france, it's a little shocking to me sometimes how people are open about their racism compared to even oklahoma, but that doesn't mean the racism is worse in france on its own. the US has gotten incredibly good at hiding racism as hating other things that are "perfectly ok" to hate. such as being poor. or being a criminal. two things that minorities are likely to be cause our economic and justice systems are set up to make criminals and poor people out of minority groups.

yes, there are out and out racists in the US that will just say the bad words that make it obvious they're racists. but the smart ones have learned to keep that poo poo hidden behind closed doors and to oppress minority groups subtly. they've learned that if they do this, they can carry out their racism just fine without blowback

I totally agree, but it goes beyond an excuse to harm racial minorities. Many of the people who support or advocate for policies that would disproportionately harm minorities do so in spite of the fact that it would harm their "superior" group as well or even them personally. It takes a hell of a commitment to a racist agenda to agree to do something that hurts oneself just because it presumably would harm a group that you hate more. Putting aside race, though, the US just despises the poor in a colourblind fashion; it is not always racially motivated. It's a combination of a capitalist dystopia that promotes ruthless individualism and the idea that money is a virtue combined with religious views that promote the Just World Fallacy and its non-secular cousin the Prosperity Gospel... again despite being in a country that greatly reveres a figure who constantly spoke out against the evils of accumulating wealth and being indifferent to the suffering of others.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Antisemitism historically was and contemporaneously is mostly promoted by Christians, so I'm not sure what you find so uniquely American about it. :shrug:

I'm well aware of that, but being in the most populous and arguably the most "devout" Christian nation in the world which also happens to have the most Jews makes the irony even more dark.

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Cat Mattress posted:

That would be "fasse" but using the subjunctive in that sentence wouldn't be correct anyway. Generally, use of the subjunctive requires a "que" somewhere. ("Qu'il le fasse, il en aura le droit" ("be it he does it, he will be allowed") for example, compare with conditional "Il le ferait, il en aurait le droit" ("were he to do it, he would be allowed") or indicative "S'il le fait, il en a le droit" ("if he does it, he's allowed").

I think. IANALT (I am not a language teacher).

Absurd Alhazred posted:

That makes sense.

I am a language teacher and, while French is my 2nd language, that's a solid explanation. The subjunctive, which barely exists in English and drives second-language learners mad, requires among other possibilities an expression of will. Hypothetical expressions using si do not fall into this category. Why they often require very specific pairings of tenses in the dependant and independent clause, they don't use the subjunctive. If I say Que le président soit couvert d'arraignées, I need to use the subjunctive soit because I'm expressing a desire. The phrase is essentiall Je veux que le président soit couvert... but the first two words, an expression of will, are implied. For another example, Vive la France!

Italian is even worse as the subjunctive is even more common and the imperfect and past-perfect subjunctive are regularly used. I know that romance language speakers in this thread will find it humorous, I cannot overemphasise how difficult the subjunctive is for Anglophones.

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100YrsofAttitude posted:

I grew up bilingual, speaking English and Spanish (born to Colombian parents in the States) and so when I moved to France I decided to use my Spanish to learn the French. My accent is pretty blatantly Spanish instead of English, which baffles people to no end when I'm tell them I'm from the US, but it was specifically because the Romance languages share so many features among them, that I was able to quickly learn French since things like the subjunctive and imperfect actually made sense to me, being a Spanish-speaker of sorts.

Had I used English, I'm certain I would've had a tougher time, though my accent and origins would make more sense to others.

I've had many Spanish and Portuguese-speaking students in my time, and while they will often comment on already understanding things like the subjunctive, having two separate "to know" verbs and the fact that everything is masculine or feminine; I've also had the occasional comment about how handy it is that French only has one verb "to be" as Spanish, Italian and Portuguese have two. The one thing that drives them absolutely loopy, though, is French phonetics. I've spent a lot of time studying theory and working on materials for this, because French is kind of in a world of its own phonetically. Mind you, English speakers have just as much of a problem; French is just "unique" that way.

HookShot posted:

One thing that's kind of interesting about that story is that I grew up speaking English and French (born to a French mother in Anglo Canada), and when I started speaking Spanish in high school, it turned out I speak it with a very strong French accent instead of an English one.

But yeah coming from a French background I coasted through Spanish in high school, doing both grades 9 and 10 in grade 9 and graduating a year early.

When I started learning Italian as a third language my professor, who was from Rome, said in class that I spoke it with a German accent. I replied that it was actually French and felt very self-conscious. People have commented that I have a thick British accent when speaking English, because I grew up in England, but in French I still have a modest Canadian accent. That's because I was born and spent my very earliest years in Montréal and, as required by law, I went to school in French until we went to the UK. Some people really don't understand that accents and dialects are a result of habituation and not genetics or parentage.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I came at French fluent in English and Hebrew. Modern Hebrew doesn't have subjunctive, or indeed, any mood other than indicative and imperative. Its nouns are all gendered, though, and in a way that is mostly independent of how it is in French, so that's not very helpful! :v:

I rather envy you. I'm Jewish and, apart from learning to sight-read for my bar mitzvah, I speak no Hebrew apart from a few common phrases.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

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Flowers For Algeria posted:

T’inquiète, paupiette, on va venir te chercher.

Ceci m'a donné la chair de poule.

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JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I teach foreign languages and allow them because students do genuinely use them to look things up in class; much faster and broader than paper dictionaries. I realise that some just goof off, but I take the bad with the good.

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