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botany posted:- here's a big one! you ready? We have an entire tree dedicated to curses, and none of them is Amplify Damage lmao. I thought there would be runes that do that, in order to buff up the pet builds, but nope! I'd guess that there's a good reason they didn't put in Amp Damage. It's probably one of those skills that's either too good, and no other curse ever gets used, or isn't good enough, and 0% of people use it because it's not worth it. No middle ground.
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Frailty is just Amplify Damage in reverse. Although I suspect the reason why Necros don't have it is because it has already been duplicated by so many other class abilities.
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Jun 28, 2017 14:09
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As a giant noob I appreciate the new OP. I still have not figured out how to make the Necro fun to play.
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Jun 28, 2017 14:10
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No new season for another three weeks. At least it gives people time to figure out the builds for necro.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:As a giant noob I appreciate the new OP. press corpse explosion a lot
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Lansoc posted:No new season for another three weeks. At least it gives people time to figure out the builds for necro. This month is effectively a mini-season where everybody on the ladder is playing Necro. I think the gap is a good idea because some people will probably get bored of Necro by then and they'll be more class variety in S11 proper.
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I'm going on vacation today so really all I got to play was the barest minimum last night, so my impressions of the class are pretty much nonexistent for now, but I'm really looking forward to seeing what people think two weeks from now.
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Spent 15 bucks to realize a lot of my fun is tied up in getting my cube set up, getting my gems and maxing my paragon out. Welp! I'll take a swing when the season comes out. PoE 3.0 will inevitably be delayed past July so this will be a nice bridge till then.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:As a giant noob I appreciate the new OP. Yeah forgot to mention thanks for actually writing an OP, here's to people asking questions answered in the OP for the next 2 years
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Jun 28, 2017 15:01
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What gear do I want to equip?
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I wonder what they will do for patch 3.0. D3P3 must be something special!
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:Serious question because I haven't played since RoS first came out: Yes & No. If highest levels of play is TX-TXIII and high end GR, then yes, many builds are viable. If you have true tryhard aspirations and want to hit the highest possible GRifts, then this chart is probably gonna bum you out:  I'll add this to the OP because I feel like this will hold true until a patch drops. Thoughts on 6 hours of Necromancer play: Rathma's seems like even with all the items it feels like old (bad) Zuni and Golem doesn't feel like it's doing anything even on low torments. I have 5/6 Inarius and Bones, too bad everyone wants Pestilence. Shout out to BaneAndy in HC Clan for being a great PLVL bro, and Shoutout to Bikini, Peck and AngelofLoki for running like 20 TXIII vaults last night as a quad stack of Necromancers. What an amazing gear share, we basically all got a 6 pc out of it. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Bust Rodd posted:Yes & No. If highest levels of play is TX-TXIII and high end GR, then yes, many builds are viable. I think that chart is missing the buff to impale DH e: also comparing this to how the leaderboards shook out in S10 he seems wrong mewse fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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mewse posted:I think that chart is missing the buff to impale DH Yeah it's dated March 30th, so this was in preparation for Season 10, so I guess we've got new HPS since then, but I can at least confirm that even on HC, Raiment DuoGen is preposterously auto-pilot since you basically can just hold down M1 and still be playing at 90% efficiency. What builds do you think he got wrong? Reminder that these are for Solo GR, no groups. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Top of the ladder is all wizard but behind wiz is some kinda LoN WD (don't play enough WD to know the build) and he hasn't got any WD specs in there til C tier http://www.diablo3ladder.com/
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Blood Siphon doesn't work with the Mantle of Channeling. 
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Power Bottom posted:Blood Siphon doesn't work with the Mantle of Channeling. Yea, it's the only necro channeling skill and isn't even a spender like those on the mantle. There's still quite a bit of integration and tweaking left to do for synergy with existing gear.
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Here are actual top GR builds for each class from S10pre:GR 109 lightning wiz 105 LoN wd 104 hammer sader + r6 monk 103 ww barb 102 impale DH
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I think I got 4/6 pestilence set (which i want to main) but the game gave me full inarius set first. MAKE PESTILENCE GREAT AGAIN
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Necro is probably going to be fine, after just dinging 70 and with mostly bad gear and no sets (some pieces sub lv70 but cubed trangoul scythe, mind you) and probably a bad build I'm doing T4-5 without issue. That's all on the trangoul scythe though, it makes all your curses Amp Damage but only for you - I can see a LoN build for necro being really strong with some of the effects on the legendaries working together - ring that boosts damage to slowed and cc'd targets, 50% damage reduction when an enemy has decrepify, trangoul scythe and gems on top of that etc. Looking forward to the season! Super high rifts will probably require some really specific gear but for what class is that not true?
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My initial thoughts on Necro are that he's good when you're doing the omega pro stuff you should have been doing in D2 (Corpse Explosion, Bone Spear) and weak when you're doing the trap nooblet stuff you shouldn't have been doing in D2 (skeletons, golem).
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exquisite tea posted:My initial thoughts on Necro are that he's good when you're doing the omega pro stuff you should have been doing in D2 (Corpse Explosion, Bone Spear) and weak when you're doing the trap nooblet stuff you shouldn't have been doing in D2 (skeletons, golem). Corpse explosion is absurdly fun. No idea if it's good but I spent most of last night corpse bombing my way through bounties. No regrets.
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exquisite tea posted:stuff you shouldn't have been doing in D2 (skeletons, golem). Back in my day, SkeleMancers were universally reviled for their ability to make the D2 server you were on slow to a crawl.
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I have full Rathmas and Jesseth and it's a solid build. I need the ring that generates mages tho as it's a bit tedious spamming mages every time you hit max essence and them dying out so fast. Looking forward to messing around with all of the set builds as they all look interesting. I wonder what sort of LoN builds will arrive too as there are a bunch of interesting standalone legendaries.
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Plavski posted:I have full Rathmas and Jesseth and it's a solid build. I need the ring that generates mages tho Same. Was clearing torment 7 while spamming summon mage, annoying
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Plavski posted:Looking forward to messing around with all of the set builds as they all look interesting. I wonder what sort of LoN builds will arrive too as there are a bunch of interesting standalone legendaries. LoN Pets has been fun and tanky, but with little to no +pets or +pet damage legendaries, items, or passives, it doesn't seem like it will be too strong past T10 farming. You have the usual defensive options (Aquila, Goldwrap/Avarice/Boon), but also Golemskin Breaches and Dayntee's, so there's a little bit of flexibility, but not too much to make things hit harder. Also, pets without Jesseth Arms set feels bad. Inarius + Jesseth set pet build works well also, as long as you're always in melee range of what they're killing.
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Admittedly I have ~1150 paragon but with a little help from some banked gear/gems I managed to clear a GR60 with just 6pc Inarius + CE and In-geom / CE gloves / CoE in the cube. My goal now is to switch out Endless Walk for the BA necklace + CE ring, farm up the 2H poison scythe, and see how many beezies I can get from a 3-4 poison stack CE.
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exquisite tea posted:My initial thoughts on Necro are that he's good when you're doing the omega pro stuff you should have been doing in D2 (Corpse Explosion, Bone Spear) and weak when you're doing the trap nooblet stuff you shouldn't have been doing in D2 (skeletons, golem). And then you dropped the build because a hammerdin could get through magic damage immunities against demons and undead and they dealt more damage anyway.
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exquisite tea posted:Admittedly I have ~1150 paragon but with a little help from some banked gear/gems I managed to clear a GR60 with just 6pc Inarius + CE and In-geom / CE gloves / CoE in the cube. My goal now is to switch out Endless Walk for the BA necklace + CE ring, farm up the 2H poison scythe, and see how many beezies I can get from a 3-4 poison stack CE. Any idea why icy veins says to wear a 1h+shield when you could wield the 2h scythe and all abilities are based on weapon dmg
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mewse posted:Any idea why icy veins says to wear a 1h+shield when you could wield the 2h scythe and all abilities are based on weapon dmg for which set? From what i've seen/heard the weapon set is crucial for Rathma's, but Reilana's crowhook is for Trag and Inarius, while the Sickle(spelling?) of the Cycle and Lost time offhand are BiS for pestilence
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I have no idea to be honest, especially for Corpse Explosion where the only ASPD you're limited by is how fast you can press the button.
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Carebearz posted:for which set? From what i've seen/heard the weapon set is crucial for Rathma's, but Reilana's crowhook is for Trag and Inarius, while the Sickle(spelling?) of the Cycle and Lost time offhand are BiS for pestilence Inarius corpse explosion https://www.icy-veins.com/d3/necromancer-corpse-explosion-build-with-the-inarius-set-patch-2-6-season-11
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mewse posted:Inarius corpse explosion oh, i'm doing an Inarius BONESTOOOOOOOOORM with Reilana's shadowhook. All I need are Dayntee's Binding and Krysbin's Sentence to wear and wisdom of Kalan to cube
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mewse posted:Inarius corpse explosion There are a lot of choices with that build I wouldn't make TBQH. For one you can just equip the 2H poison Scythe then cube In-Geom for all your CDR needs. Then you wouldn't even need OrotZ to get a permanent CE snowball going, and could wear the 200% damage CE ring and the 300% damage to stunned ring while keeping the Bone Armor neck, while keeping CoE in the cube. Those combined would easily eclipse the effects of Trag'ouls while letting the Necro wear a 2H, which is what you really want for CE since it's all base weapon damage. Trying to wedge curses in there is too unwieldy I think. Take out spreading Malediction and Blood is Power then slot in extra health globes on corpse use and Necro cheat death. At least that's what I'm going for.
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mewse posted:Inarius corpse explosion quote:The recommended weapon and offhand setup for the build is Trag'Oul's Corroded Fang Trag'Oul's Corroded Fang along with a Poison damage Lidless Wall Lidless Wall. The one-handed scythe turns the Cursed Scythe Cursed Scythe curse application from proc to guaranteed, as well as amplifying your damage against cursed targets. This setup will hit for less on average than a two-handed setup, but will provide extra utility to the build in the form of shield defense and extra Cooldown Reduction. Alternatively, you can wield the Cube weapon slot recommendation, Nayr's Black Death Nayr's Black Death, and cube Trag'Oul's Corroded Fang Trag'Oul's Corroded Fang. This setup will increase the downtime of Land of the Dead Land of the Dead, but will reward you with harder hits on average.
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Seems silly to trade weapon damage for some CDR + negligible shield defenseexquisite tea posted:There are a lot of choices with that build I wouldn't make TBQH. For one you can just equip the 2H poison Scythe then cube In-Geom for all your CDR needs. Then you wouldn't even need OrotZ to get a permanent CE snowball going, and could wear the 200% damage CE ring and the 300% damage to stunned ring while keeping the Bone Armor neck, while keeping CoE in the cube. Those combined would easily eclipse the effects of Trag'ouls while letting the Necro wear a 2H, which is what you really want for CE since it's all base weapon damage. Trying to wedge curses in there is too unwieldy I think. Take out spreading Malediction and Blood is Power then slot in extra health globes on corpse use and Necro cheat death. At least that's what I'm going for. oo seems good, might try this mewse fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Does the Tra(n)g'Oul set turn you into a vampire and bug your casting speed to something really low, but let you cast fire spells without synergies that make them essentially worthless?
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Star Man posted:Does the Tra(n)g'Oul set turn you into a vampire and bug your casting speed to something really low, but let you cast fire spells without synergies that make them essentially worthless? No, you spend more health for health casters but they do more damage and you get a shitton of healing bonuses
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