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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
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Roth posted:

I do find it funny though because some of the X-Men issues from that era mention Monster Island and that Rogue had contact with ROM.
Monster Island/Isle is also the name of the Mole Man's island full of Mole Man monsters, as named in Fantastic Four #1, several years before the Godzilla movies introduced it. That's almost definitely the one referenced in 1980s X-Men, seeing as Marvel only had the Godzilla rights from 1977-1980, and never really used any other Toho monsters in the comic (there were some super offbrand ones like a giant moth named Lepirax that showed up for an issue and got killed by Godzilla). Monster Island (the Marvel one) was also the home of Warlock and the Infinity Watch during the 1990s.

Also part of why the Hama GI Joe comics are a cut above pretty much every other media tie-in: Larry Hama more or less created Modern GI Joe. Hama had pitched a modernized SHIELD comic with Nick Fury Jr. fighting a revived Hydra, and while editorial passed, they got a request from Hasbro about a year later to work on a GI Joe comic to launch in conjunction with the toy line. Hama got the call and more or less retrofitted his pitch to the existing toys Hasbro was working on, and then proceeded to write all of the "file cards" and copy for the toy line along with writing the book. He brought the idea of having "Cobra" instead of 'random terrorists' from that pitch, and had a hand in creating everyone else. Plus because of this interaction he had a pretty good idea of what new toys they were planning on launching and how to fold them into his story, as opposed to just waking up one day and being told "yeah so uh Transformers have separate heads that are different Transformers now, and there is a lady Transformer put her in the next issue" or whatever happens with those other franchises.

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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Comics are fine (or as fine as they've ever been, probably better in many ways), but the conversations around them have certainly gone to poo poo when you realize the percentage of people talking about them haven't read them nor are willing to read anything over about three hundred words at the absolute uppermost limit*




*offer does not apply if it's a *thread* or a twine essay called pssssst hey comics come here and eat poo poo you pieces of poo poo assholes

Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 6, 2017

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Aphrodite posted:

Old man yells at cloud.
Shitposter can't read

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
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high adventure, no shitposters

Senor Candle posted:

Seriously though I need to know if they put he issues in a reasonable reading order in the Hickman Avengers Omni
It doesn't come out until later this month but it contains the first year (Avengers 1-23, New Avengers 1-12) of the core series, along with the Infinity mini-series and Hickman-written satellite stories. I'm going to assume they're put in the story order Hickman intended and mapped out with charts, since I know they did that for the smaller collections of his run previously released (at least they did for Time Runs Out).

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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Zachack posted:

The omni came out this week, IST has it for 50% off. I don't know if emailing them about content would be a fruitful path but I've never tried and presumably they are more comic book store oriented than most.
Huh, Amazon and some other places have it coming out July 18. I didn't see it at the shop I dropped into yesterday either, but I suppose it's not shocking that you don't order a lot of shelf copies of a $125 book.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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Skwirl posted:

It can't be Marvel, because at least this company invited a woman to a writer's conference. Kelly Sue DeConnick was never invited to one despite her husband regularly going and she was writing Captain Marvel during their first big push to make Carol Danvers a big deal.
G. Willow Wilson has been to multiple retreats since then, as have a number of female editors and some other writer I feel like I'm blanking on, which is something de Campi acknowledges further into the Twitter conversation (she also grants, incorrectly I think, that KSD attended a later one) and also grants there have been several writers at DC retreats but if there is one thing I have learned about Alex de Campi (and this is not to say she's wrong about how this or a hundred other things are bullshit) is that she's very willing to use exclusive and ad hominen statements like this, like the time that she more or less discounted Shelley Bond from being a female editor (and editors aren't freelancers, they're halfway the enemy anyway) because she dresses like an Eastern European lesbian, or when she loudly declared on a comics panel how she was the only woman in the room and the only person who wasn't a white dude invited to speak on a given topic during a panel moderated by Calvin Reid with Heidi MacDonald in the front of the audience preparing to moderate the next panel with multiple women on it in a room that was probably 25-30% women.

It doesn't make her current situation any less bullshit, but it makes me take some of her broader statements with a grain of salt.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
There was a little kid (first grade, still needed help reading) that I was tutoring who was assigned a biography of Anne Frank for some sort of Baby's First Biography/Book Report. I don't think the teacher thought this through because as it turns out first graders are not really familiar with the concept of the Holocaust, or World Wars, or different laws than the ones they're just starting to understand as first graders. This led to a lot of uncomfortable questions and as he kept asking "But Why?" I was having a lot of trouble answering these questions delicately. At one point he was lost in deep thought and looked up solemnly:

"So does World War II take place before or after World War Hulk?"
"World War II took place like eighty years ago, and was real. World War Hulk was a made up story from the past few years."
"...so World War II was before World War Hulk?"
"Yes."

[[More struggling both with sounding out words and grasping the systemic murder of millions]]

"So... one other thing... did Red Hulk have anything to do with World War II?"
"Red Hulk didn't even appear until after World War Hulk, how could--"
"I KNOW THAT RED HULK APPEARS AFTER WORLD WAR HULK."

This seven year old was irate that I was mansplaining Red Hulk to him. I wish I had gotten to see his book report on Anne Frank, I hope at least one Hulk appeared in it. Or at least some sort of "Adolf Hitler was a bad man, almost as bad as Red Hulk."

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Skwirl posted:

Is that established in the comics at any point? Given him first showing up in the 60's I sorta assumed his original origin was Wernher Von Braun esque.
Apparently no one really fleshed out Doc Ock's early life until the early 1990s, when Spider-Man Unlimited #3 established that he was born and grew up in upstate New York with an abusive construction worker dad and an overbearing/coddling mother. That basic backstory carried through to some mini-series/stories put out around the time of Spider-Man 2, and also to Slott's Superior Spider-Man. I think he just showed up as an evil scientist dude with no real backstory prior to that?

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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Look just because it's literally never once been mentioned that Otto Octavius is German in the comics and he first appeared in an era where everyone who is beingk ze German must MEIN GOTT IN HIMMEL talk like zis mein leibchen and in an era where there were straight up unreconstituted Nazis as villains in books being published concurrently, it's pretty clear that metatextually, read between the lines monron Doctor Octopus was meant to be a secret ex-Nazi scientist in the same way that Victor Von Doom and Tony Star(c)k and Robert Oppenheimer and Niels Bohr were also escaped Nazi scientists it's elementary, #factsdontmatter #actuallyreadingcomicsisforretards

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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https://www.google.com/#q=green+lantern+mosiac

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern:_Mosaic

quote:

The ongoing series began in June of 1992 and ended in November of 1993, lasting 18 issues. It was written by Gerard Jones and primarily drawn by Cully Hamner.

https://www.google.com/#q=%22gerard+jones%22

https://www.newsarama.com/32651-gerard-jones-arrested-for-child-pornography.html

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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Pastry of the Year posted:

I always hear about this sort of stuff circulating in the deepest, most relatively inaccessible parts of the internet, not the literally biggest and most visible video hosting site in human civilization. What would be the absolute best outcome a criminal would hope to get from uploading that material to YouTube, other than getting extremely and immediately arrested?
I mean, you can post private videos to YouTube and feel relatively sure they'll stay private if they're, you know, a video of your grandparents' sixtieth wedding anniversary. But that's mostly because no one from YouTube is going to alert the authorities that your grandparents are adorable.

It pretty much checks out someone Jones's age to figure "well I mean I marked it PRIVATE and only sent the link out to four friends, how could anyone else find out about it??????"

quote:

I always liked Jones's writing, for the record, although I haven't gone back to it since this news broke. Has anyone here? Are there hints of this sort of stuff in what I, as a kid, found otherwise innocent and good?
The only thing of his that I've read since the news broke were the Wonder Man issues that were part of Operation Galactic Storm during a re-read of the full Gruenwald Cap run. It was Not Good, in the same way that all of OGS was Not Good, but certainly nothing gross in retrospect. I haven't read any of it since it came out, but his co-written whole run of Prime could easily prove Problematic.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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A Strange Aeon posted:

Can everyone who posted a letterer post an example of their work (if you haven't)? I'd love to see a bunch of distinctive lettering work side by side.
I always remembered Gaspar! as a kid buying back issues because his name was just GASPAR! but he did a huge amount of DC covers and logos and just regular ol' lettering for DC from the Go Go Checks era through Ambush Bug through Arkham Asylum. Todd Klein himself calls Gaspar his "inspiration" in a pretty extensive memorial retrospective.

The previously mentioned Richard Starkings founded Comicraft about 25 years ago, it's pretty cool to browse through their online store of fonts; there are several based on the hand-written fonts of creators like Dave Gibbons and Joe Kubert, not to mention Starkings's pre-digital work on various books.

Are you interested primarily in people whose main gig is "lettering" as opposed to cartoonists with distinct styles? Because at that level it almost comes down to handwriting, but there are still some people with cool handwriting.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

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A Strange Aeon posted:

I guess just how does a letterer win an Eisner each year? What are they winning it for, exactly? I can see how an artist or writer creates something the industry wants to reward, but lettering doesn't strike me as an artistic craft exactly. So I feel like I'm missing something.
A dirty secret: I don't know if a lot of voters know either. I think in a lot of cases lettering (like design) should be 99% invisible and just effectively propel what all of the other creators involved are doing.

Todd Klein won the Eisner for lettering 15 out of the first 16 years, and is the only non-cartoonist to win it as near as I can tell. Klein is very good at lettering (and has designed a lot of iconic logos, put in a lot of work to letter in multiple distinctive fonts in the 1980s before computer lettering was a thing) but there is/was also probably a halo effect that Todd Klein appeared on the ballot with the names of all of the Gaiman/Moore/etc. books people were already voting for in the other categories, so why not pick those books on the next line too?

Since 2009 (except in 2011, when Todd Klein won again!) the Better Lettering has gone to cartoonists who absolutely did things with text in their comics to set them apart from other comics.

Chris Ware is a two-time winner for lettering, which is part and parcel of his wins for "best publication design" too, this isn't a master example of his work but it's one of the first text-heavy pieces I found online.



David Mazzucchelli's Asterios Polyp is another Eisner winner for lettering and another example of how lettering can be an artistic craft, with every character having a distinct font on top of having a different art/coloring style for anything in their point of view.



Another two-time winner is Stan Sakai for his own lettering of Usagi Yojimbo, which isn't showy (and is in part a halo effect of people just liking Sakai's entirely self-produced book) but here's a good article about it and the strength of good lettering in general.

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Ken Bruzenak is another letterer from the 1970s/1980s who deserves attention, his Big Two work tended towards being on forgotten books for Marvel in the 1980s and DC in the 1990s, but prior to that he did distinct and unique treatments for a lot of the darlings of the 1980s indie scene, from Mr. Monster to Nexus to American Flagg, which is another great example of 'lettering as design' from Bruzenak, experimental layouts from Chaykin, and just generally an underrated influence on much bigger names and books that came after. The whole "TV monitors as Greek Chorus" thing that people have endlessly ripped off from The Dark Knight Returns was a self-professed American Flagg rip off.




Bruzenak won the Best Letterer three years in a row when the Harvey Awards started before they (less severely) fell into a Todd Klein k-hole. He's still one of the only non-cartoonist letterers (besides the aforementioned Tom Orzechowski and John Workman, and I guess technically Chris Eliopoulos, who is a cartoonist who also letters for other people) to win the award. Other cartoonists to win the Harvey, with their own distinctive use of dialogue/sfx/captions include Daniel Clowes, Terry Moore, and the Even More Problematic But Also Even More Brilliant Than Howard Chaykin winner, Dave Sim.

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