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logikv9 posted:when does silicon valley turn into a deserted hellscape
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i'm convinced the housing bubble has to pop after the tech bubble, because it's the tech bubble that's propping up the most egregious housing markets - once that falls, the rest will follow, but that's just my theory
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Jul 7, 2017 08:00
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also: expect millenials to get blamed for everything, because financial regulation and taxing the rich is too hard
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Jul 7, 2017 08:04
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yeah well get ready shitlord because I've cornered the market on bottlecaps
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Jul 7, 2017 14:54
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Something something, that joe kennedy quote where he says when shoeshine boys are giving stock tips it's time to sell
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Jul 7, 2017 15:43
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they have no incentive to do that, and the BRICS are all going to be in trouble themselves
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Jul 8, 2017 04:54
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:My new startup will replace stoplights with alternative devices with a light gray (platinum) and white (fog) exterior like Apple computers. It will revolutionize how we automate traffic control at city intersections. traffic buttons are going to be cut from a single aluminium block
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Jul 8, 2017 04:56
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Actually, thinking about it, the similarities between art deco and apple poo poo is like, uncanny now it's time for modernism and socialist realism to make a comeback
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Jul 8, 2017 04:57
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Commerz posted:Spoken like a true member of the Global North. Lucky for you the Global South will save us, even despite your racist attitudes towards them.
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Jul 8, 2017 08:47
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both india and china have major environmental problems on the horizon, but neither are intractable, and they're still going to come out of it having the largest populations on earth between the both of them, and they both still have fairly clear & obvious paths towards development & growth, with large enough tax bases to support those investments - that's more than most other countries can make a claim to. but they're the only two the brics that are actually going to 'make it', Russia is a shitheap that's only going to get worse once Putin finally kicks it (and the system is set up for him to be irreplaceable), Brazil has major corruption problems (but is probably going to come out, like, average), and south africa isn't worth mentioning
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Jul 8, 2017 16:34
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Kromlech posted:Successful criminals generally have better survival instincts than the glaze-eyed cows of genpop. If you're on a ship and the floor is tilted you don't complain about the disgusting rats all running past, you follow them.
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Jul 10, 2017 14:31
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anime was right posted:chinese are investing shitloads of money into anything american because if america goes down, the entire world goes down with it. it's the most stable place to dump your cash because if your money's no good here, it's no good anywhere. at least currently. yuan is hella unstable and they're dumping whatever they can abroad. on paper, it looks good - you keep your currency low, so you keep your trade surplus high, but you're not buying foreign goods, you're buying foreign capital, which means that should have a return on investment you can then make the transition from a third world country into a first world country, on that back on those foreign investments, while the americucks (who have no jobs) are now stuck paying you for all that capital you own, and the debt they're in the cost is that you're sacrificing your local consumer economy to do that, which causes social problems, but more immediately - what if a lot of those investments all fall apart, in, say, a housing market crash? All that money you've sent overseas has disappeared into thin air, and if your export economy falters after that...well, you're in trouble.
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Jul 10, 2017 14:40
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Scionix posted:Just graduated + got job in career path (software dev), where do I go to learn how to invest my money beyond adult child toys and 401k such that it doesn't explode when the market tanks and I inevitably am replaced by a overworked H1B visa that gets payed 1/3rd of what I make. Disclaimer: im a huge retard the crash isn't going to hit everything uniformly, some things are going to come out better than others - identify which you think have a good chance at a strong recovery, and take advantage of the crash to buy at the right moment. That's assuming you can get enough liquidity for that. That's assuming you're the gambling type
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Jul 10, 2017 17:36
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Bitcoin is going to crash when tech does, its one of the stupidest things out there
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Jul 25, 2017 01:36
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Taintrunner posted:here is how cheating on taxes to make lovely videogames is rewarded in our modern doomsday world what struck me most was the divergence between expenses and profits - expenses being cut and contracted even as revenue continued to climb. Absolutely none of the money being saved from taxes was being reinvested. It's the final loving nail in the coffin for trickle down - investors don't reinvest any income gained from tax breaks, all of it is simply siphoned off.
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Aug 11, 2017 11:31
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If the laws are inconvenient for the deployment of automated driving, car manufactures & logistic companies will sinply change the laws - the benefits of cutting back on labor costs is too seductive for capitalists, it that comes at the expense of society then that's societies' problem, not theirs. Or do you still labor under the delusion that politicians aren't bought and paid for?
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Aug 31, 2017 22:57
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Reminder that roads used to give precedent to pedestrians, and the danger of automobiles mixing with pedestrians was seen as a massive barrier - to which the response was, as we see today, remodel entire cities for the benefit of cars, over pedestrians (read: rich people versus poor people).
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Aug 31, 2017 23:02
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Pointing to one failed example of automation isn't a good counter example here - the issue is that the people buying the robots thought they could use it to cut staff. Even if they were wrong, in that one instance, it's still obvious that that is where the money is heading, that is where research is being made, because that is what capitalists want. Even if they use to transform skilled labor into more replaceable, less skilled labor, that's obviously a win, because it decreases the bargaining power of workers, and allows them to cut costs.
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Sep 1, 2017 11:12
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It's not 'different', it's just a new level of contradiction that's been reached, the continuation of a trend that's been going on for a while, but without any of the mitigating factors that existed previously. Imagine the GIlded age, minus the mass transfer of wealth that the constituted the GI bill and New Deal, because such a thing is now politically impossible, because the soviets are dead and buried (so no new deal) and a world war is impossible (because MAD).
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Sep 1, 2017 11:22
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Then add in total automation of long standing industries that provided livelihoods, without any replacements, because robots do it cheaper and there's no middle consumer class anymore anyway.
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Sep 1, 2017 11:23
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Then add in the incredible advancements in automated or near automated military technology, that allows the wholesale slaughter of thousands by maybe a couple of people aiming missiles from drones, or any of the other surveillance technologies that grant the ability of the elite to basically do whatever they want, whenever they want, without any real threat of repercussions.
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Sep 1, 2017 11:26
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Which the rich will promptly respond to, by liquidating the poor, so they don't have to share anything. Don't need infinite resources when you can just kill everyone else.
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Sep 1, 2017 11:29
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Look at how 'conservatives' describe the middle east and the people in it, of how easy they throw around idea of 'glassing' (read: nuclear genocide), because they see its inhabitants as undesirables. Look at how the homeless are treated, constantly harassed, forced to wander a city, where park benches and public spaces are specifically designed to be hostile to them, physically abuse by kids with too much time on their hands (and sometimes just straight up murdered). Look at how black people are treated, deprived both the safety of their person, discriminated in both education and hiring, and then moralized at by hypocritical racists (who have never known real suffering), about how their lot in life is proof of their inferiority. Look at how migrant workers are treated, forced to find jobs across the border because the local agricultural industry is dead, becoming illegal just by existing, hated and demonized, and then discarded when they suffer work-impairing injuries (without pay).
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Sep 1, 2017 11:45
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The rich know the system is horrendously unequal, but coming to terms with exactly why, would mean undermining their own sense of self. In order to retain that self-worth, they rationalize this as being the 'natural' state, that this inequality simply manifests 'real' relationships on inferiority and superiority. Rather than expressing dysfuction, the world is seen as just, and that therefore whatever happens is justified in happening. Even if the wealth of the rich is always built on the poor, the poor is always viewed as 'parasitic', because seeing them as anything else would damage their ego. So, they'll kill the poor, because they won't see the value in keeping them alive. It's that simple.
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Sep 1, 2017 11:51
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We arent literally ruining out of resources my man. I'm also finding it difficult to understand why you're not getting it. Are you aware of the history of plantation slavery? Do you get that its actually very easy to both rationalize the brutal and lethal exploitation of others, and the necessary violence to keep the system going? And that its not actually a simple thing to assume that 'the good guys' always win? Black people didn't take that poo poo lying down, they fought back - yet, the only example of a successful slave revolt I can think of is Haiti. Why? Because the tools of violence, ability to organize and freedom of movement, was all monopolized by the slave-holding class. Even a suspicion of organizing, was met with malicious retribution. That denies people the ability to act collectively, through the creation of an environment of total fear. And once that has been denied, the system has no threats to its operation, because individuals can't topple the system. Only collective, organized action can. But the situation is worse now. Because technology now gives the ability for an even smaller group of people to oppress. How are you going to take down a drone with a pitchfork? What exactly are you going to do, when you facing a lime of tanks, and your life has no value to the pilots of those tanks? Because if labor is at all necessary, that's the future you get. Under total automaton, you don't even get that, you just get total extermination.
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Sep 3, 2017 01:57
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We arent' running out of energy, there's enough coal to last effectively forever, and fusion progress is continuing. The future is an energy contraction, not 'we can't use electricity ever again'.
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Sep 3, 2017 03:21
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There's more energy stored in methane clathrates on the sea floor than there is in buried natural gas deposits, and none of them have been expoited yet.
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Sep 3, 2017 03:24
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Photosynthesis isn't that efficient, only something like 1% of the light actually gets absorbed into sugar. Solar energy is a manufacturing problem, not a solar cell efficiency problem.
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Sep 3, 2017 03:30
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Why do you think 'if you tap these resources you kill everyone' is somehow going to be a disincentive? As long as the people Like You aren't doing the dying, then that's not going to stop it. The person who's buying into a fantasy is yourself: there is no law of nature that says that the bad buys always get punished. You're interpreting resource shortages as a kind of 'reckoning' for late capitalism, or maybe humanity as a whole, for which of course everyone suffers. The world is sodom, and in comes the hand of god, in the form of peak oil. Everything is 'reset'. It fits very well this very conservative metaphor that always accompanies this reactionary apocalyptic: the immoral society is destroyed by the primal forces of nature. But such a law of the universe does not exist. There is no metaphysical goodness that compels history to follow such as well-contained narrative arc.
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Sep 3, 2017 04:16
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The entire point of 'total automation' is that the supply chain, designing and manufacturing of such machinery is itself totally automated, and your supposition that such technical complexity can only arise from excessive energy reserves (stored sunlight) is naive. Human beings are very complex biological machinery, yet it is stupid to say that peak oil will lead to the end of literally every single human being, or biological life as a whole. There is nothing unique or special about machines, in terms of complexity vs. resource consumption, and supposing there is is buying into a narrative that only makes sense in the 20th century.
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Sep 3, 2017 04:21
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Further, it's fairly obvious to show that complexity arises as a reaction to shortages, as a way to become more efficient, not something that is 'tacked on' only in response to surpluses of resources. Civilized societies are more efficient at exploiting the environment than hunter gatherers. A timber-log fire is less efficient than a fluorescent/gas-discharge light, in terms of energy used.
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Sep 3, 2017 04:24
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What world do you live in that hunter gatherers are 'not dependent on their environment'? Actual hunter gatherers are extremely sensitive to climate change and disruption, and are forced to move (and conflict with whoever was there originally) over limited resources - they are not somehow immune to shifts in climate and such, but in many ways more vulnerable. Furthermore, the earth is not a closed system, and screaming 'ENTROPY' without any understanding of the physics, is an insult. Or are you of the somewhat similar opinion that life cannot have evolved, because that violates entropy somehow? I didn't realize you were a young-earth creationist. I also can't help but feel you glossed over the whole 'biological machinery' argument with 'but but but we've never made artificial life' to actually appreciate the point I was making: complexity is not and has never been synonymous with inefficiency, and taking that as an assumption, from which you're reaching your conclusion, is being naive and reductionist. Biological machines are at once more complex and more efficient than human made machines today, in their consumption of energy. You're projecting out the experience of the 20th century onto all technological advancement, by conflating the drive for profit and the economic utilization of technology(see Jevon's Paradox), with something inherent to the technology itself. Each successive steam/heat engines were more efficient than the last, and this lead to greater overall consumption of resources, because of economic incentives and the drive for profit, not because the machines physically consume more. If they did consume more, they're be no sense in upgrading: you just build more of the old, simpler ones. The fact that we don't, is complete and utter disproof of your idea that more complex == more energy intensive. And my whole point here is not to suggest that 'automation is real and my friend': it is emphatically not anyone's friend, merely a tool that is used. Nor am I suggesting that the West is somehow going to be insulated from these problems: it's not an east versus west thing, it's a rich versus poor thing. It's not that the rich break entropy, but that they'll end up burning the poor alive, to keep the whole thing going. And advances in social control and technological force amplification (re: drones, weapons of mass destruction, automated surveillance) means there's a very real chance they'll get away with it. rudatron fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Sep 3, 2017 |
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Sep 3, 2017 10:41
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Oh no, it's not capitalism that I'm talking about that's coming: it's fascism/feudalism. Capitalism would at least imply some kind of market, but all that is superfluous when you either have meat slaves or robot slaves to do everything for you. If they don't have total automation, what does that matter? All they need are instruments of fear and intimidation, to get enough done. And to large extent, that already exists.
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Sep 3, 2017 11:34
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All manufacturing is automated to some degree though, and stuff like frying the process control hardware of a refinery might lead to...uh...fun times.
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Sep 20, 2017 14:12
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gold, purestrain, stamped with the face of ron paul
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Oct 7, 2017 12:11
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antique pog collections
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Oct 7, 2017 12:12
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Okay, but hyperinflation has an actual meaning, and western economies don't have hyperinflation. What the west does have is stagnating buying power from consumers, due to wages not keeping up with inflation (thanks to union busting), but that's not hyperinflation.
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Oct 11, 2017 11:55
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Interest rates would be much higher if the west had an inflation problem, but they aren't, because it doesn't. I also have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of the focus on 'inflation' from poor right-wing people (especially dumb rear end libertarians) is actually them not quite realizing this - they assume that the collapse in wages is due to inflation, instead of political forces arrayed against workers to keep wages low. And this is of course a delusion rich right-wingers are more than willing to enable, so you have idiots railing about the 'federal reserve' as symbolic of their decline or whatever, instead of the more obvious answers.
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call to action posted:there is plenty of cheap housing. it is merely located in places you don't want to, or can't, live in.
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