Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Tubgoat posted:

Metallica is fash.

Early or late Metallica?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

DEEP STATE PLOT posted:

all of it because metallica were always loving garbage

Shut this poo poo down

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Moridin920 posted:

What happens when millions of people go North to escape the effects of climate change over the next few decades? Do we really think some steel slats will help?

Few thousand refugees and people lose their poo poo. What happens when it is entire populations moving to try and find more arable land?

No one wants to admit that a wall will eventually be built and people outside of it will die.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

vandalism posted:

Trump unironically owns and will be lauded as an economic genius for doing it now while materials are cheaper. Also, job creation. Then he will allow day passes with chipping and robots to deport offenders... so Mexico will pay for it.

Owned.

Trump won't do it. Too much wailing if he does. It will be someone 2 terms after him.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Moridin920 posted:

Yeah the right is rabidly watching Israel normalize massacring Palestinians for approaching a fence because that's what the plan will be for everywhere else, too, if we let them have the reins.

Ultimately their plan is to squabble over an increasingly small amount of land and resources.

Lol if you think Israel is the only country with some kind of Sampson option either btw

No matter who has the reins, this will happen. Once it becomes increasingly obvious that billions will be looking for new homes, not only will Americans support seizing wealth from the rich in order to support our infrastructure (no more walnuts grown in the desert, no more Harvard-owned aquafiers), but they'll support using any means at our disposal to bring any wealth that has left back. Maybe China could stop us, but realistically, they will be in deep poo poo.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Futures took a real downturn. We're absolutely going to hit 21k when it opens.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

comedyblissoption posted:

note that "wealth" that "leaves" is just numbers in computers and declarations of ownership

Still matters though.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Gonna cast a spell on number

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
It would be nice if the economy would crash.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
There has never been a democracy without the middle class. This should be fun.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Was the china announcement after the closing bell?

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

comedyblissoption posted:

my interpretation of the labor theory of value is it's just empirical fact that all commodities have a certain amount of labor required to produce them

a shirt has X minutes of human labor embodied in its creation. if society wants to make 1,000 of the same shirt, then society will have to somehow spend 1000X minutes of human labor to create it.

you can have different types of specialized labor depending on the types of labor you have to spend as a society

to say you can't viably analyze an economy based on the fact you need to spend concrete amounts of labor to make concrete objects is just batshit insane and requires immense amounts of religious indoctrination to get people to deny analysis arising from this basic fact

This is mine, too.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Guys is this it?

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

God, I really hope these hicks get absolutely destroyed. I want them hungry, broke, and withered.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
WE need brexit so Bernie may rise.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Xaris posted:

gotta suck that wealth up before it dries up adn then dump the toxic dessicated corpse of a failed asset onto pension and retirement funds :hellyeah:

Here's hoping they don't allow for that to happen.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
i am familiar with marx

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Knight posted:

I don't understand the pricing of digital content, anyway. Games made sense because they were justifiably cheaper on a digital platform because you couldn't resell them and they could track your activities through them. Movies and tv should theoretically work the same way but sometimes a single season of a tv show might be $50 (sometimes split into two seasons for $25) when the bluray is $10. Then one week it will be $5.

Then it will be gone when the platform just decides not to carry it anymore.

Games were never cheaper. That was a big lie we were told when digital first came around.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
-346 baby.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
lol someone so obviously wrote that for him

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Abel Wingnut posted:

you’re forgetting the tallest hurdle—convincing people fully autonomous vehicles are safe and reliable.

i’m pretty sure it would take me years to feel safe in one of those things. are people really going to flock to driverless cars? do vast cohorts really not want a driver?

No, they won't. The same people thinking people will embrace driverless vehicles were also calling people who hated google glass "luddites". There's a certain kind of delusion that tech bros have about social behavior.

Judakel fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 11, 2019

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Lambert posted:

People already use driverless subways every day all around the world. No reason to think people won't adjust to driverless cars.

Most people don't, but cars present a completely different set of issues that people are marginally aware of.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Sarah has a history of saying dumbass poo poo. Or at least framing it in a "provocative" way.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Ardennes posted:

Too bad it seemed to be most of the Democratic Party, and 2020 may shape out to be even worse.

I sincerely hope they eat poo poo.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Taintrunner posted:



please don't guillotine me bro c'mon

What the gently caress is wrong with his face?

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Wasn't China readying some more sanctions? lol I hope everyone takes this opportunity to sell.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Wasn't China going to retaliate?

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

punk rebel ecks posted:

Seriously, I looked it up and they lose around $800 million per quarter.

How can just making an app where people use their own cars be so expensive?

This chart was in the article:



For whatever reason, Uber decided that renting several floors in one of the priciest buildings in San Francisco, right on the intersection of Market (our "main street") and Van Ness (a long rear end avenue that cuts through SF) was a good idea. Idiots. They could've warehoused all those code monkeys in Hunter's Point.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

silentsnack posted:

Reason being if you want to look rich act like you've got money to burn. Which somehow attracts investors.

All tech companies function like Fyre Festival.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
The yuan has been dropping so china should dump the t bills as payback. do it

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Let the olds die unaided and quickly.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Tulip posted:

99% of the arguments against anarchism are just arguments against communism and socialism broadly, including in this thread. If you think that it's going to take "a few generations" before you can start the revolution, or that workers shouldn't be liberated but must be constrained and controlled by technocrats, you're not just hitting "anarchism" as a distinct thing but every political philosophy to the left of social democracy.

Ugh, please don't conflate anarchists with the rest of us. The arguments may be superficially similar, but it sticks for one philosophy and not the other.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Tulip posted:

If the argument is "workers should NOT control the means of production" then yeah, that's not an argument against anarchism narrowly, it's an argument against socialism broadly.

You need some form of democratic central planning to make any sense of it. So yeah, it is an argument against anarchism specifically. Let's not kid ourselves: anarchist movements are a no-go for the same reason libertarian movements are a no-go. You're going to need, at least, a global State.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Tulip posted:

The absolute, bare-minimum test for distinguishing a social democrat from a socialist (not even any particularly hard-core leftism, just basic run of the mill socialism) is "the workers control the means of production."

Many of the posts in this thread are just high tech Plato's Republic. It's more West Wing than Communist Manifesto. That's worth criticizing.

I am sorry your anarchist dream won't ever come true.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

gradenko_2000 posted:



I don't know how else to say this because I've already said it multiple times: Anarchism does not abhor a state.

and their vision of organized society even allows for a scaling up into global ventures. l

Anarchism is horseshit.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

SKULL.GIF posted:

gently caress off fascist sympathizer

This is what every anarchist sincerely believes which is why it is dumb.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

gradenko_2000 posted:

come on, this is disingenuous and you know it

the point isn't to have people enter a voting booth and select percentage points of mercury as choices on a ballot - but the person who gets to decide what the quality of the water should be should be recallable and should be accountable to the people

Accountable within certain scientifically acceptable frameworks, yes. You don't get to choose whether you vaccinate your kid, basically.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
The BEST case scenario is a one world state without markets. That's kinda it.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

gradenko_2000 posted:

I don't have a problem with leaving vaccinations up to a vote insofar as I'm pretty confident that "should the government be allowed to vaccinate your kids against your will" is going to pass easily

the fact that the US has loopholes in its legal and political system allowing people to carve-outs to not let their kids be vaccinated is a symptom that American democracy is broken, not that we should necessarily make vaccinations an undemocratic issue

I am not so sure about this.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Yes! Leave yourselves with no way to fight back once it hits!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5