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I have a good friend who just got a new job, yay! Unfortunately he's very much a C++ oldschool guy, and the job is angularJS, SQL, and web programming. The company that hired him knows this and he'll have a good amount of time to learn on the job, but it's also a small company so I doubt they have their own teaching materials. So he's crashing in on JS and related stuff, started with w3schools and I know they're poo poo. But it's also definitely the wrong approach for him to go from the bottom up, as if he's never done any programming before. Does anyone have some suggestions for learning resources that start from the other direction, for someone who already knows programming at the professional level?
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Jul 16, 2017 11:51
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This is a tough one. I've done a reasonable amount of effort in the other direction and based on what I know of C++ I think it depends on what sort of work he was doing with it. I'm not sure there will be anything that will help here, in that there's plenty of resource on the languages, technologies, and frameworks, but not much outside of newbie stuff for the broad concepts of web development. For example, the core concept of web development for anyone working end to end with it is the (sorta) stateless nature of the request/response cycle which will appear alien to anyone who's used to long running single-user processes or persistent stateful clients. There will be analogies to his work depending on what he did but the web stack is also layered like a mirror in a way unlike probably anything he's done before outside of maybe mainframe stuff. Perhaps he could post here and we can answer specific questions / concepts?
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Jul 16, 2017 19:20
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JS itself, or rather TS a better choice is a rather easy hop, for HTML and CSS you have good reference material at MDN. The bigger problem is the gigantic paradigm shifts and historical artifacts that frameworks have, Polymer is definitely a good direction for OOP sanity, but things like React, Angular, and then fitting them around Redux, etc, and being productive are the greater challenges. Oldtimer C++ developers may lack experience with moderns tools like lambdas and promises, they can be investigated in C++ first and then the concepts carried over.
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Jul 16, 2017 22:59
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Jaded Burnout posted:Perhaps he could post here and we can answer specific questions / concepts? MrMoo posted:good reference material at MDN. quote:The bigger problem is the gigantic paradigm shifts and historical artifacts that frameworks have 
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Jul 17, 2017 17:36
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Klyith posted:MSDN I'm not sure if this was a typo, but replying to disambiguate between MDN (Mozilla docs) and MSDN (Microsoft docs).
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Jul 17, 2017 17:50
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return0 posted:I'm not sure if this was a typo, but replying to disambiguate between MDN (Mozilla docs) and MSDN (Microsoft docs). Oh, it wasn't a typo! Thanks for the correction!
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Jul 17, 2017 20:27
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Have him check out TypeScript. C++ => TypeScript makes a lot of sense. I like the linkedin course on it. https://www.linkedin.com/learning/typescript-essential-training/welcome treehouse's courses on javascript and angularJS are good: https://teamtreehouse.com/library
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Jul 17, 2017 20:43
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Klyith posted:I have a good friend who just got a new job, yay! Unfortunately he's very much a C++ oldschool guy, and the job is angularJS, SQL, and web programming. The company that hired him knows this and he'll have a good amount of time to learn on the job, but it's also a small company so I doubt they have their own teaching materials. I learned Angular using ng-book. As I recall, it assumes some familiarity with programming and doesn't waste much time telling you what a string, object, etc, are. SQL should be easy to find a technical book for.
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Jul 17, 2017 21:57
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As well as learning code, make sure he doesn't forget to familiarize himself with the developer tools for the browser of his choice. They're a huge help when working with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:12
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fantastic in plastic posted:I learned Angular using ng-book Did you go for a physical copy? Or the version with the 3 hour screencast?
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Jul 20, 2017 19:59
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Mongolian Queef posted:Did you go for a physical copy? Or the version with the 3 hour screencast? I bought the basic PDF package. I don't learn coding well from videos/casts, so paying extra for them seemed like a waste of budget.
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Jul 20, 2017 20:20
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fantastic in plastic posted:I bought the basic PDF package. I don't learn coding well from videos/casts, so paying extra for them seemed like a waste of budget. Cool, I think I'll give the basic version a shot. Thanks.
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Jul 20, 2017 22:37
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Thanks so much to everyone for the helpful suggestions! Particularly that book, it looks great.
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Jul 20, 2017 23:48
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An alternative suggestion: maybe your friend can go through the latter half of CS50's video lectures. David Malan does a great job of giving an overview of web development, touching on the request/response cycle/sql/templating/routing/etc. Could be a good jumping off point to get a broad overview
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Jul 21, 2017 01:36
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Main Paineframe posted:As well as learning code, make sure he doesn't forget to familiarize himself with the developer tools for the browser of his choice. They're a huge help when working with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Yeah honestly minute per minute doing a bunch of courses/materials on how to use Chrome Dev Tools or Firefox dev tools will help save him a lot of grief/time
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Jul 27, 2017 15:26
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MrMoo posted:Polymer is definitely a good direction for OOP sanity What kind of project did you do with Polymer? I don't see how Polymer and sanity can be used in the same sentence. It's still fairly new, with a lot of problems and poor documentation. It wasted way more time for me than what it was worth, so I'd say stay away! Angular on the other hand is something that should be learned and possibly used with Polymer here and there (not to an extent that you'll have to fix a never ending list of problems). For the most part, you probably wouldn't need Polymer with Angular, since Angular seems to do a lot that Polymer already does. Angular also follows the MVC pattern so it's something that the person may be familiar with as a C++ programmer. It's also much more widely used at this point and a lot less prone to issues. LP0 ON FIRE fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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Aug 7, 2017 20:24
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LP0 ON FIRE posted:What kind of project did you do with Polymer? I have all the NYSE floor display systems built with Polymer pulling real time data over WebSockets. Polymer allows me to mix and match complicated display rules in their own little sandboxes without even more headaches. I just hit over 100,000 lines of webdev enjoyment last week on this: 
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Aug 7, 2017 20:55
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MrMoo posted:I have all the NYSE floor display systems built with Polymer pulling real time data over WebSockets. Polymer allows me to mix and match complicated display rules in their own little sandboxes without even more headaches. That's you! Well, I have to say it looks fantastic, and congrats again.  I used it for making a site for elementary school principals to log into and grade teachers on their science practices guidelines, and record other data as well as conferences. I think the trouble mostly came into play with browser compatibility, and a lot of the elements like paper-dropdown-menu and paper-scroll-header-panel. LP0 ON FIRE fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Aug 8, 2017 16:56
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Klyith posted:He's now keeping score of how many times he can find warnings about undefined behavior that's different depending on which VM it runs on. Of course: meticulously tracking undefined behavior should just come naturally to anyone used to C++
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