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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Samovar posted:

I knew something was suspect when she was asked who she'd like to get with first and she responded she'd like to see Kyle.

Not the type of question I was hoping she would pop

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I can totally understand adult film actors/actresses turning right wing after having heard about how utterly little they are paid and protected for performing what is seen as basically shameful work. It's an entire "gently caress you got mine" industry on the part of the producers, pun I guess intended but not really in the ha ha way. After being exploited by such a system I can get why you'd turn to destroying it and the people who represent it, without understanding what ALLOWED the system to become so open about its really nasty manipulation.

edit: The positive alternative path is independent or contract work, or commissions, which the internet makes really easy and lots of former porn stars have found success with. So hey at least only a few of them took the dark path of hating everyone not from the era in which they worked.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The frog pics very well may qualify for this thread.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Not for the frog itself, of course. He's timeless.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

What wouldn't age well about the frog pics?

Well before I answer that I need to know where Next Door Nikki falls on the US political spectrum

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Burkion posted:

*hearing* about Bladerunner but not having the chance to see it in the 90s and 2000s was a weird time because I always assumed the replicants were actually robots in some fashion and not just vat grown humans. I almost would prefer that

The video game Binary Domain handled it that way instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuCWJbQ1Gpw

The game itself is not great! But as a weird sci-fi world it's wonderful.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Well it's not like that's something you can really admit that you did if someone asks you. Even if there's no chance of you catching wind for it from the people who you did it to spite, a "wink wink maybe I did" is probably the best you'd get.

edit: See all the folks re-examining Xena to find even more homoerotic subtext only to discover that oh don't worry it was there the whole time and they did it on purpose, but it'd ruin the television historical reason for doing so for the showrunners to say so.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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My favorite recent director's cut is Death Stranding Director's Cut purely because Death Stranding already IS Hideo Kojima's unconstrained vision, only a few years after a months long media frenzy about the messy handling of his departure from the company keeping him from directing everything himself.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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hawowanlawow posted:

yeah I've read several stories in which the same movie was submitted with none of the suggested changes and the producers didn't notice

This is such a well-established facet of the broken brains behind game publishers that there's a famous anecdote in gaming about a character designer being asked by some out of touch exec to make a female character arbitrarily 'sexier', and they were weirded out so they did literally nothing and presented the same image to the exec, who was satisfied and thought the character was sexier.

edit: Aw man, I'm actually bummed I can't find it now, there was a thread here which featured a few fun cases of developers rolling their eyes at publisher dick-waving. Another of the stories featured a weapon which didn't sound badass enough when it fired or something like that, so the audio engineer just made the volume a little louder and the person who made the call was immediately satisfied because they assumed the process required to do so was really intricate.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Gong Show and Saturday Night Live came up with fun methods of getting stuff past the censors sensors in that era of television. They would present skits to the network in groups so that they could be organized into shows, and hidden amongst these groups of sketches and show ideas would be intentionally outlandish dummies designed to grab the censors' attention away from more racy (or sometimes just progressive) stuff they ACTUALLY wanted to air. SNL got nice and subtle about this by having multiple writers submit sketches at once, but Gong Show only had Chuck Barris himself OK the acts.

By the end of Gong Show's run nearly every show had a dummy sketch planted because they pretty much kept their ratings by being a rambunctious program, and the one single dummy which made it through on accident almost got the show canceled. Picture if you will, two young ladies sitting cross-legged eating popsicles seductively while a live studio audience cheers them on to victory. They actually completed their act although I don't know if the popsicles themselves had time to finish. On the Gong Show that actually wouldn't have been all that out of the ordinary because double-entendre acts were common, which is probably why it got cleared. The tragedy of this fun escapade, of course, was that the girls were in their teens. And, y'know, not adults. And didn't tell anyone*. So the show and subsequently Chuck Barris got in perhaps a little bit more trouble for that than for getting something planned past the censors.

*The part where no one knew their ages is only alleged as far as I'm aware, it honestly could just be that nobody cared they were 17. But I think the guy in the audience pulling out his best McConaughey ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT while they were on stage would be MORE excited to hear this, not less, sadly.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Doing my due dilligence on that Gong Show thing, bad news/good news! I found Chuck Barris' personal account of the incident online and now we can judge him because per this really creepy descriptor from his autobiography, he knew their ages! I spoilered the creepy part to save your sanity.

quote:

I ignored what Buddy said. I did worse than that. I put the Popsicle
Twins on "The Gong Show."

The Popsicle Twins weren't really twins. They were just girl friends.
One was fifteen years old, the other seventeen. Both were adorable.
The fifteen-year-old wore her hair in a ponytail, and had a face full
of freckles. The older girl had bangs, dimples, and enormous blue
eyes. Both had fresh, full, succulent bodies. Both had glowing
peaches-and-cream complexions. Both wore T-shirts and short shorts.
Both were a lecherous old man's delight; post-pubescent Lolitas who
would have more than satisfied all the Humbert Humberts of the world.
They called themselves the Popsicle Twins because they each held an
orange Popsicle.

The girls skipped onto the stage barefoot, sat down on the floor side
by side, crossed their legs Indian-style, and begin to lick their
Popsicles. That's all they did. They just licked their Popsicles.
But the *way* they licked their Popsicles was something else. It was
extraordinary, is what it was. The girls tongued the sides of the
Popsicles, ran their full lips across the Popsicles and around them.
They slid the Popsicles into their mouths slowly, sensually, in and
out, in and out, and then ran their lips softly down the shaft of the
cone-shaped Popsicles to their bases, and then back up again.

There were obviously giving the Popsicles a blow job. The two teenagers
were teaching the nation the proper way to perform exquisite head.
Every eye in that theater was glued to the Popsicles Twins' mouths and
their Popsicles. Anyone who couldn't see the girls in person watched
TV monitors hypnotically. Every stagehand had a hard-on. The celebrity
judges were in a state of acute shock. Not one of them was capable of
looking away, let alone leaving their seats to gong the act. "The Gong
Show" band gave the Popsicle Twins a standing ovation. Jaye P. Morgan
said, "That's the way I started. I give the girls a ten!"


When the show aired, the telephone switchboard at the National
Broadcasting Company in New York lit up like a Christmas tree. The
East Coast was appalled. The wife of a United States senator had her
husband paged on the Senate floor and demanded he make an immediate
motion to ban "The Gong Show" from television. Two New York City police
demolition instructors had to interrupt their lesson on defusing
explosives because the eyes of the class were glued to the silent
television set suspended from the ceiling behind them. At first the
police demolition instructors were angry. Then they noticed what the
other cops were watching, and what the Popsicle Twins were doing, and
called a five-minute break.

Executives at NBC snapped into action. They immediately terminated
the "Gong Show" feed to the rest of the country. The Popsicle Twins
were never seen in the Central or Pacific time zones. ...

In this biography (it's Confessions of a Dangerous Mind) he also talks about secretly being a CIA agent, something the real life CIA then had to investigate and publicly deny was true despite it obviously being a joke to spice up a boring book. Honestly, they should have probably investigated the rest of the text!

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Paper Tiger posted:

My first thought was that Gladiator was a big deal in part because of its Super Bowl ad, but I looked it up to refresh my memory and, well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICf1V6UOsmk

Bawitdaba was everywhere back in those days

Aged like fine wine in that this cannot be real, I'm laughing my rear end off at bawitdaba blasting over the judgment of stoic Roman Joaquin Phoenix, this had to be on the front page of this website in the year 2000 and that's where it came from

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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marshmallow creep posted:

This reminds me of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck shopping Good Will Hunting around and they put a really out of place blowjob scene in the middle to see which producers actually read the script.

Oh, man! This just unlocked a memory that my brain had totally eclipsed because of the unfairness of being a child associated! When I was younger I actually managed to spot a forged map in a school textbook, the way real encyclopedias used to be made plagarism-proof by intentionally containing false information. The idea being that the incorrect information also will be there, as the plagiarist won't know it's incorrect. I remember the textbook was new and this was before the internet really had taken off in learning spaces so my kid theory was that the people who put it together took a PHOTO of a forged map to avoid paying. I pointed it out to my teacher because I was legitimately curious as to why it was wrong, and she said it was right and that I shouldn't question textbooks because they're proofread or something like that. I remember I wanted to come back with something like yeah but do they check the illustrations but I did not want to get in trouble so I went back to my desk and accepted that some island off of Africa or something isn't where every other map says it is.

It turned out my teacher didn't know about fictitious entries, which are genuinely real and still used as recently as this decade to spot people who steal copyrights in places like Dubai or countries with otherwise 'closed circuit' internet where such a thing would be easy to get away with because the people looking for plagiarists don't access those domains much.

edit: For reference there were other maps in the room. it was a class based around learning the earth and what's on it. so like i totally get now as an adult that the teacher almost certainly was exhausted and overworked and just wanted me to not ask her that question in like 1998 when the entire internet wasn't right next to her at her desk.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Looking at a map of Africa reminded me of exactly what the mistake was- Zanzibar was labeled wrong, which I knew was a real place because I'd played Metal Gear which features Zanzibar Island and its very real poisonous hamsters

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Absurd Alhazred posted:

Counterpoint: teachers who argue from authority, and especially authority delegated to textbooks supplied by the lowest bidder who can conform to the most conservative content panels in Texas, suck a lot, and ruin children's relationship to knowledge and the world around them.


I AM GRANDO posted:

The good teachers are the ones who get excited about stuff like that and want to help solve the puzzle.

Well yeah no poo poo, I wasn't saying the teacher was correct to be dismissive of me

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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DACK FAYDEN posted:

No no no, Zanzibarland. Which is located in "Central Asia, located between the former Soviet Union, China, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.[3]" acording to the Metal Gear wiki.

child you was right for the wrong reasons :goonsay:

Holy poo poo the ingame Zanzibar land isn't in Africa?? I knew those poisonous hamsters couldn't be native.

Man I'm a huge fan of the series and I don't know how I missed that, cool correction. I guess I just assumed the older games took place in real locations because the latter games do! I was like ah yes, MGS takes place in Alaska, therefore the old 2d game must take place in the only place on earth also called zanzibar!

Uh but nope. I got Kojima'd.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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There is no funnier term to me in the comic book world than Gal Pal purely for the massive swinging wrecking ball weight that phrase carries

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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It's like when Fallout New Vegas came out and people were posting on this very forum about how they took Confirmed Bachelor and were very annoyed because they didn't know what Confirmed Bachelor refers to until they saw the dialogue choices it unlocked :laugh:

edit: One poster became a staunch defender that Confirmed Bachelor meant you were just buds a la what a naive person thinks the phrase Gal Pals means and it was great

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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ilmucche posted:

Does someone have the rage tweet about "this isn't exactly what we had in mind"?
Nvm found it

https://mobile.twitter.com/tmorello/status/1324907210426642433

Tom morello effortlessly dismantaling chuds kinda excessively rules.

https://twitter.com/tmorello/status/1269369519580930048?s=20&t=Uikgxwl1miuXmrd86wXS3A

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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HopperUK posted:

It's an outdated way of saying someone's gay back in times when saying it would be a deadly insult or actually dangerous.

The funny thing is, Fallout New Vegas is really cool and acknowledges the historical use of the term by allowing you to apply it in the space it would have been applied in the real world back then, with the modern result- Major Knight at the Mojave Outpost appreciates civilian-you flirting with him and compensates you for it but it stays under the table. They then go on to also let you apply it in the modern real world to get a companion to join you as a hire by just flirting with the dude instead of engaging a political debate with him or series of tasks to win him over. It's just neat that they gave it more thought and nuance than "you're now gay and can sleep with male characters" because that would have been so wrong.

edit: Hell it doesn't even come down to just flirting. It allows you to act less blunt toward characters that otherwise would be annoyed by you- Jack, of the Boomers for example. You can just tell people they look nice and they'll thank you in an understanding way. Tell a guy you understand his problems because you're compassionate enough and not just looking to complete a quest:

quote:

COURIER: You've had your needs neglected for far too long, haven't you? I can tell.

MANNY: Yeah, I... everybody depends on you, you know? But they don't ask you about how you feel. What you worry about. There's something I like about you. You just seem really understanding. I was gonna ask you for a favor, but I'll just tell you what you wanna know.

And you can still ask Manny about the quest after and he's got a second line being surprised you remembered. There's so many insignificant things it adds that there is no way you can read it ANY other way than what it is, and I've always liked that.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Hahaha that's awesome, I've never seen that video before. Also I miss your old avatar.

edit: This one's a wild replacement though!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The sidney one! It's a classic.

edit: I remembered you can get avatar permalinks by changing the url of the current one so here's its final resting place haha.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

I guess my anecdote needs some context, which I will not provide you with.

You're welcome.

Just like the lord would have done. You were clearly paying attention when you watched em!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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same villain to always be defeated as in real life, the Detroit Red Wings

edit: aw man this post wasn't about mcginley specifically

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I mean there is also the opposite case where dense individuals will treat any representation of these characters as protagonists as endorsement of their actions, which is pretty dumb too.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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endocriminologist posted:

You cannot make an anti-big monster movie

I dunno Pacific Rim was a pretty anti-big monster film but it was made by humans so I feel it's a little biased.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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"There's no such thing as an anti war film" is "ah HA but YOU use a smartphone" but for movies. It's condemning the whole idea in one sweeping pointless statement of contrarianism. Making a statement on war? Ah HA, but your movie CONTAINS a war!!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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"Depictions of warfare that don't involve any fighting" sounds like a whose line is it anyway prompt.

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Apr 17, 2011

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I AM GRANDO posted:

That statement is partially about the aesthetic qualities of combat when depicted on film, that things like struggle, sacrifice, camaraderie, and violence are often attractive when presented in a dynamic visual medium that encourages identification and is meant to be visually striking. It’s not an entirely philosophical argument about content, but about form as well.

I know you can deliberately make a film that is ugly and that discourages identification with its characters, or that didactically tells you something by torturing characters you like, but those moves have limited appeal because art is for pleasure of whatever variety.

I honestly don't think it's so possible to 'accidentally' make warfare appear visually spectacular as to warrant caution. It's something you go into with intent, the sheer amount of setup required to create a dynamic scene like ones you're envisioning takes months of planning followed by days of execution, followed by even more hours of frame by frame editing. If your goal is to avoid making a spectacle out of war and then you somehow manage to do it, you really failed imo.

edit: Narratively though I agree, I think that's very different. Tone and atmosphere are massively important for depiction. Even small changes in tone can have visual knock-on effects as well, i.e. the villain spits on the protagonist and so they get a smack for their indignance. Given three different writers the viewer could be left with the implication that both, either one, or no one could be the justified party.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Yeah that's a more interesting subject imo, what are some depictions of warfare as purely an allegory that have aged well? There are definitely more complex ways to make an anti-war statement than just showing one onscreen or making it a physical presence, I just can't think of any examples off the top of my head.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Brawnfire posted:

Hawks have legs

But what if BOTH SETS of legs

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Mr Interweb posted:

oh thanks for the new avatar, DADDIES :argh:

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The quote retweets on that one are so funny because it's a mixture of people who know who Claremont is going "what?!" and people who do not know who Claremont is going "WHAT?!" Just complete confusion on the part of all parties at this racist comics man.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The trope wherein "you have autism = you have a superpower, but it isn't autism" is demeaning to autistic people, not surprisingly!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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BrainDance posted:

why dont they just make an update that also takes a new key system with like... 5 more numbers?

Potentially they could! It's been done with games from around that era- when Dark Souls (2011) for example switched over to using Steamworks for its multiplayer, it also ditched Games for Windows Live as its secondary required login service. So if you bought Dark Souls on PC it USED to have a key, but now no longer does and it's null and void.

Sadly the problem with BOTH the examples of Prey and Wolf 2009 is they've been caught in publisher trademark copyright blaargghh hell and we will likely never see them retouched for that reason.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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christmas boots posted:

We do have things like the atom bomb…

So I think I'll stay where I ahm.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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That being an image we ALL deserve to mentally picture,

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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MrUnderbridge posted:

"I'm cumming! " he ejaculated.

Oh come now, be more descriptive than THAT when you're ejaculating.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Picture I'm Drew Carey on Whose line pulling out a card that says times when they should absolutely not have sent a poet

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Another fun game to play is 'spot the white author'. If none of the Caucasian characters get their features described, but as soon as a black man walks in, the center of attention becomes just how utterly mulatto his skin color is, you won!

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