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If you want to exercise your free speech to say some hateful rear end poo poo and talk about how you think other races should be exterminated, engage in violence against people, kill a person, and talk about how you want to engage in violence to the media then maybe you should expect people to have a pretty loving negative reaction. People are going to take that poo poo seriously.
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Machiavelli's views on violence are relevant here. Use enough to solve the problem or don't use it at all. Splendid displays of fisticuffmanship aren't helping any more than outnumbering them 100:1 so stop fantasizing about it.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:12
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:So if a group was anti fascist and pro child molestation it would be cool, because hey, they're anti fascist? but I'll still back that guy when he is punching Nazis, then go back to dealing with him when the Nazis are gone.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:14
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You can get punched in the jaw for saying a lot of poo poo in America to the wrong people at the wrong time in the wrong place. My mother called me after that Nazi rally because she was upset by it. Call me old-fashioned but these assholes upset my mother, you know? I don't care if it's against the law I'll punch a Nazi over that. They have an upsetting-my-mother debt to be repaid. I was going to punch my uncle because he said some unforgivable things to her, but I haven't because he isn't invited to her house anymore. I would've had problems the one time I've seen him since, but it was at a church during a wedding -- so everyone was on their best behavior. I mean we've got to have some standards.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:15
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bird food bathtub posted:Fair enough, I wasn't thinking about their recruiting efforts. I was addressing how they'll hide behind everyone else's desire to not have the world be a violent, unstable place while working very hard to make that exist for their targeted minorities. Letting them go and not confronting them in the current environment just lets them target who they want and manufacture that violence anyway. Yeah, I was mostly agreeing with you, just quoting you out of convenience. It was aimed more at the people arguing against nazi-punching/antifa. e: 1337JiveTurkey posted:Machiavelli's views on violence are relevant here. Use enough to solve the problem or don't use it at all. Splendid displays of fisticuffmanship aren't helping any more than outnumbering them 100:1 so stop fantasizing about it. Right now, fisticuffs is the right amount of violence. Have you noticed how the Nazis are terrified and barely showing up now? This is what I meant by hurting recruiting. The more crying and cowering Nazis get filmed and put up on social media, the fewer of the recruits and non-hardcore show up. Fascists worship power and being the one that's punching. When they see other fascists getting punched, they don't want any part of it. Anta fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Aug 31, 2017 16:19
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Anta posted:Fascists worship strength, their recruiting is directly linked to how strong and successful they seem. Making them seem like victims is bad for them and directly hurts their recruiting. Punching Nazis is not only good, it's necessary.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:23
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Lol people are seriously arguing being civil to Nazis because ~+~decorum~+~ Are you fuckin kidding me? Hang Nazis from lampposts and shoot them in the streets
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Aug 31, 2017 16:28
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Well I guess I'm old fashioned because I like the 1st Amendment and the rule of law. Have fun with your Thunder Dome.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:28
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Well I guess I'm old fashioned because I like the 1st Amendment and the rule of law. Have fun with your Thunder Dome. I'm a fan of both. Both are inadequate against fascism and Nazis.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:32
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Well I guess I'm old fashioned because I like the 1st Amendment and the rule of law. Have fun with your Thunder Dome. You're free to open a dialog. Maybe it's just a failure to communicate.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:38
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Jesus Christ can we start probating the Nazi punching chat and end this derail? A sixer with the reason Nazis are evil applied to everybody should make the point Edit: poo poo there were threads dedicated to this to keep it out of current events. Why don't you tardos take it there instead?
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Aug 31, 2017 16:40
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So Ben Wittes and others are hinting at another big story dropping today. Will we finally see the pee tape in all its 4K glory? https://mobile.twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/903270038458818562
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Aug 31, 2017 16:42
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Well, couldn't we TECHNICALLY consider a lot of the poo poo that Nazi's say as "Fighting words" Which are unprotected free speech as per Chaplinksy vs. New Hampshire?quote:Words which would likely make the person whom they are addressed commit an act of violence. Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment
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Aug 31, 2017 16:50
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:Well I guess I'm old fashioned because I like the 1st Amendment and the rule of law. Have fun with your Thunder Dome. Be quiet Chamberlain.
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Aug 31, 2017 16:50
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I'm going camping this weekend, if I come back to 1000 new posts I'll know that pisstape is real
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Aug 31, 2017 16:55
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Not to derail the Nazi/Antifa punching talk but heres some clarification to the "we just flew bombers over NK" talk (we didn't) http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/politics/us-bombers-korean-peninsula/index.html
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Aug 31, 2017 16:58
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crazyivan45 posted:Not to derail the Nazi/Antifa punching talk but heres some clarification to the "we just flew bombers over NK" talk (we didn't) North Korea claims the entire Korean Peninsula so we rate this "Mostly True"
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Aug 31, 2017 16:59
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MA-Horus posted:Well, couldn't we TECHNICALLY consider a lot of the poo poo that Nazi's say as "Fighting words" Which are unprotected free speech as per Chaplinksy vs. New Hampshire? The fighting words doctrine is an antiquated leftover from when dueling was a problem. It makes sense If you assume humans are so retarded they HAVE to fight to the death if someone calls you a liar.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:01
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timma85 posted:So Ben Wittes and others are hinting at another big story dropping today. Will we finally see the pee tape in all its 4K glory? All for it because a steady dribble of poo poo constantly tanking his numbers is a good thing. That being said, I almost don't care anymore. What's he going to do, license the office of the presidency for personal profit? Be a hateful bigot encouraging violence? Be a mentally unstable piss baby destroying our credibility in the world? Violate the constitution by taking foreign money to set policy? Abuse presidential pardon powers? What even counts as a "big story" anymore? Again we need the steady drumbeat of poo poo, but at this point just let me know when there's consequences to any of his actions.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:05
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You punch nazis and make your grandpappies proud. drat the consequences. Now shut the gently caress up about nazis and move on.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:14
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Pesticide20 posted:Jesus Christ can we start probating the Nazi punching chat and end this derail? A sixer with the reason Nazis are evil applied to everybody should make the point The funniest thing for me in this is that people are all "JEEZ, CAN YOU TWO SIDES NOT poo poo UP EVERYTHING WITH YOUR ARGUMENT?" Like, you people somehow have two sides in this situation, and the 1st amendment side somehow involuntarily has to support their rights. And this isn't a "lol, free speechers defend Nazis" post, this is a "holy poo poo, how does the country that used to be the best at ending National Socialism have a legit debate about this in the year of our lord 2017" post.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:14
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https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/903231132543700993 Lol this is the newspaper that made fun of Muslims so much they shot it up
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Aug 31, 2017 17:19
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Hot Karl Marx posted:https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/903231132543700993 https://twitter.com/FanSince09/status/903246183384047616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Aug 31, 2017 17:26
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Pesticide20 posted:Jesus Christ can we start probating the Nazi punching chat and end this derail? A sixer with the reason Nazis are evil applied to everybody should make the point What's more annoying is that feels like it's mostly lurkers/non-regulars who are drive by poo poo posting to tell us that punching Nazis is bad. Like I expect contrarian opinions from Godholio and Dead Reckoning (and as Professor Bling put it better than I could, welcome from them for various reasons) but it's aggravating when it's someone who's sole posting in the CE thread is about how Nazi punching is bad. Which is the wrongest take. It is good.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:42
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Handsome Ralph posted:What's more annoying is that feels like it's mostly lurkers/non-regulars who are drive by poo poo posting to tell us that punching Nazis is bad. Tremblay posted:gently caress it. Let them kill each other. Maybe being a centrist will come back in vogue. Its idiots from TFR who are posting here because they don't have a politics thread anymore.
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Aug 31, 2017 17:43
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timma85 posted:So Ben Wittes and others are hinting at another big story dropping today. Will we finally see the pee tape in all its 4K glory? Oh hey, I'll contribute some Louise Mensch level rumors to this. A friend of mine's roommate is an employee for a major airline in the DC Area. Showed her this and she told me that someone's daughter and son-in-law hosed up air travel last night by taking a last minute trip out of the country.  but gently caress it, I'm gonna roll with it.
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Its idiots from TFR who are posting here because they don't have a politics thread anymore. hey I was making idiot posts here long before they killed that cesspool of a thread
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Aug 31, 2017 17:57
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https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/903291840052555776 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
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Aug 31, 2017 18:04
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https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/collections/apparel/men oh my god this is loving hilarious. This dude has a facial expression of "holy poo poo i can feel my soul slipping away but drat i need to afford food" 
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Aug 31, 2017 18:05
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Pesticide20 posted:Edit: poo poo there were threads dedicated to this to keep it out of current events. Why don't you tardos take it there instead? The probation-free toxic discussion thread fell out of fashion due to, um, probations. Imagine that.
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Aug 31, 2017 18:09
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Duzzy Funlop posted:The funniest thing for me in this is that people are all "JEEZ, CAN YOU TWO SIDES NOT poo poo UP EVERYTHING WITH YOUR ARGUMENT?" you would think a german of all people knew it was russia that beat the nazis
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Aug 31, 2017 18:40
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Its idiots from TFR who are posting here because they don't have a politics thread anymore. Goddamn half the reason I joined the Navy is so I could post here.
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Aug 31, 2017 18:43
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I'm a civilian gently caress you ban me
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Aug 31, 2017 18:47
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Shim should just give you a Thin Blue Line American flag avatar, to remind you that you are a ~*sheepdog*~ among sheep, and that ~*civilians*~ will never understand the difficult choices you have to make to get home safely at the end of the day.
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As a civilian I want to... thank everyone for their service haha
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Dead Reckoning posted:Shim should just give you a Thin Blue Line American flag avatar, to remind you that you are a ~*sheepdog*~ among sheep, and that ~*civilians*~ will never understand the difficult choices you have to make to get home safely at the end of the day. I could have enlisted as an e-3 so you should quit the sass and probably stand at attention when you read my posts also sheepdog is so 2008, wolfhunter was a 2011 thing I have no idea what stupid term t-shirt companies use now Also I'd prefer a thin red line flag because I do vollie ems/ff when I need to relax
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Aug 31, 2017 18:58
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"I shot that civilian in his car so I could be safe!"
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Aug 31, 2017 19:09
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There's still plenty of sheepdog poo poo being sold.
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Smiling Jack posted:I could have enlisted as an e-3 so you should quit the sass and probably stand at attention when you read my posts Why was 'sheepdog' even a thing? A border collie is your mascot for being a ubermensch and shooting indiscriminately? Have they even seen a border collie?  SHEEPDAWGS BRAVO ZULU OOAH!!
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