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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Mr_Ruckus posted:

What if you also turned around and used the hydrogen for energy?

You could either capture the heat generated in the refinement process and use it to power said process, and produce hydrogen fuel, or perhaps you could create an engine that uses both the heat of the reaction and the resultant hydrogen to create propulsion.

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

When you acknowledge that antifa are protesting you, but you're too much of a cheesebrained halfwit to appreciate that this usually means that you're a fascist.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

The best argument I heard in defense of antifa is that fascism exploits a flaw in liberalism, since fascists want to use free speech to gain enough power to destroy it before going full Terminator on everyone. So under a liberal framework, you're caught in a trap of allowing fascists and neo-Nazis to use free speech to destroy you, or you destroy their free speech to protect yours.

Antifa types, who are mostly anarchists, don't buy that framework and they see fascism as a threat to humanity which must be stomped out immediately. They also don't believe that stomping them makes the fascists stronger, the idea behind it being to make it costly for neo-Nazis to organize openly. If they want to have a big rally, then antifa will make sure it doesn't happen without chaos breaking out and a state of emergency being declared, like throwing a monkeywrench into the machinery of a would-be totalitarian state before it gets its engine revved up. Fascism is all about well-ordered rituals and intimidating displays of power, and what antifa does is more akin to sabotage.

And predictably enough, these neo-Nazi groups tend to collapse into infighting once that happens.

This actually happened in Australia - a bunch of islamaphobic/Neo Nazi groups sprang up and tried to form 'the Australian Patriot Movement', due to Tony Abbott (former PM) playing from the same book Trump is playing from now. He blew the dogwhistle, they came running.

The counter protests were bigger than their rallys. Their Facebook groups were trolled, their talking heads doxed (and photographed eating Lebanese food), and eventually the entire movement shattered before it could ever become a credible threat. Yes, nationalists still exist here, but we denied them the ability to organise. ASIO, Fed and state police did nothing to help; just hard working agitators.

Now if only we could do something about the nationalist scum in government...

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Smiling Jack posted:

Starting in the 1970s white supremacists had a very successful run at infiltrating / recruiting from various special operations groups.

Not surprising they'd try it with law enforcement.

Checks out. The "patriot" movement in Australia was littered with Army and operator types; likewise the private security firms running the offshore torture camps that the department of customs and immigration set up (the ones who either straight out raped or facilitated the rape of hundreds of refugee women they were supposed to be protecting) were full of ex-ADF hardcases.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Australian Lurker: Like, antifa don't even rank in the top 10 Serious Domestic Threats over there, based on what I've observed reading this thread. They're pretty far behind actual Nazis, your own state and municipal police forces (some of whom apparently intersect the former), weird oathkeepers, NRA loonies, Turkish Bodyguards, cracked enlisted shooting up army bases, Trump's true believers and even heavily armed school kids.

Any notion that antifa are bigger problems than any of the above is disingenuous at best...

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

The Iron Rose posted:

Yeah but those consequences shouldn't include getting physically assaulted for exercising your right to freedom of speech.

This was a while back, but what the gently caress is it with Americans wholesale believing the first amendment protects them from anything other than being locked up by the government for talking poo poo. I'm not even from there, and I understand that it's not there to protect your horrible opinions from earning you a punch in the face, and to consider it your right to say whatever you want with social impunity is frankly, idiotic.

Likewise the moron Republicans railing against people getting sacked or boycotted for overt racism/discriminatory behaviour, because First Amendment. NOT WHAT THAT AMENDMENT DOES.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

joat mon posted:

What country are you from where assault and battery isn't illegal?

Nothing to do with the point being made. Punching a nazi, and impugning on somebody's constitutional rights aren't the same thing. And lets not pretend we live in a Utopian paradise where nobody ever gets hit for being an rear end in a top hat. We may as well argue that punching someone in the face for groping you/your friend/your partner at a bar makes you as bad as the guy who sexually assaulted someone.

Professor Bling posted:

yeah, he pretty much does.

still, glad to have him (even though I'll poo poo on him and Godholio it's nice to have different opinions, even if they're mostly wrong). gives good exercise for actually arguing against important people that believe those things

Still better than Viking Skull.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Two Finger posted:

also the fact that mueller will have had to plan for this eventuality is :psyduck: on a goddamned amazing scale

working against someone who has the power to pardon any (federal) crime is just what the absolute gently caress

like, i'm sure it won't go over well if pardons start getting dropped but jesus christ this is the reality we are in

Judging by the polling infographic posted earlier, something like 35% of America will probably cheer in favour of said pardons, with up to 15% of the remainder choosing to say/do nothing, because he's "on their team".

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

Two Finger posted:

Not that any of you give a gently caress but our left wingers are now leading the polls four weeks out from the election

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11914816

Just in time to help our Labor party overthrow the Government!

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
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tastefully arranged labia posted:

Cloudy with a chance of but her e-mails.

Honestly he seems way more concerned with trashing Obama than anything to do with Hilary. I guess it's his ideology at work - she 'lost', so apart from constantly reminding people that she did (hence all the "we won x state by heaps!" bs), he seems way more interested in trashing his predecessors legacy, because he certainly isn't making any achievements of his own to speak of.

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