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VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009

Rectus posted:

7) Bobbin, why don't you have a pork bun in your hand?

He's not a real man.

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AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

achtungnight posted:

At least one Jackie Chan film, no preference

The Tuxedo it is, then!

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Ok maybe not The Tuxedo. I have some amount of taste. :)

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
Also in the cast are Emma Stone, James Hong, Kelly Hu, Lucy Liu, and Celina Jade.



Shaw Brothers Studios was founded in the late 50s, but it started much earlier.

In Shanghai, the Shaw family owned a small theater as well as a cinema. The three brothers (Runje, Runde, and Runme) bought a camera and Runje filmed one of the stage productions as a silent picture which they could show at the cinema and rent out to other cinemas and it was a great success. In 1924 they founded the Tianyi Film Company and continued to produce silent films. They were so successful that one of the other studios in Shanghai, Mingxing, formed a consortium to with four or five other Shanghai film companies to lock Tianyl out of distribution in Shanghai and the rest of Southeast Asia.

The brothers sent Runme, who was their head of distribution, to Singapore to set up their own Southeast Asian distribution system. This was the Hai Seng Company which eventually became reincorporated as Shaw Brothers Productions and at its peak owned over 200 theaters in Asia. In the late 20s, Run Run Shaw went to Singapore to help out Runme and the studio prospered producing the first Chinese Talkie in 1931 (Spring on Stage) and the first Cantonese Talkie in 1932 (White Golden Dragon). The move to Hong Kong was caused when the Mainland government issued a ban on martial arts films and they were completely set up on Kowloon Island in the mid-30s. Meanwhile, Tianyl had been changed to Nanyang Productions with Runde as the head. They managed Malay Studio Productions (which was in business until the end of the 60s aside from a break when the Japanese invaded) and acted as the central distribution point for all the satellite studios.

World War II shut down their Singapore and Malaysia operations. After the war, they began filming more in Mandarin than Cantonese due to the Communists shutting down production of Mandarin films on the Mainland and in 1958 Run Run Shaw founded Shaw Brothers Ltd. and opened Movietown which was the largest and best production facility in Hong Kong and quite possibly all of Southeast Asia.


Shaw Brothers became renowned for its speed, efficiency, and the ability to find incredible directors. King Hu, Chang Cheh, and Lau Kar-Leung who to this day are recognized as some of the finest directors in Hong Kong's history. It produced classics such as Come Drink With Me, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, The Venom Mob films...and oddities such as Super Inframan, and Cleopatra Jones and the Casino of Gold. And showed off actors like Ti Lung, David Chiang, Kara Hui, Cheng Pei-pei, Alexander Fu, and Wei Pai just to name a few.

Due to competition from Golden Harvest Studios and rampant piracy by some of its distribution partners, Shaw Studios switched to television production in the late 80s and is mostly out of the movie business now. It's a shame because they were the first and for a long time the best.


(Most of the history here came from the fantastic monograph Moguls of the Chinese Cinema: The Story of the Shaw Brothers in Shanghai, Hong Kong and Singapore, 1924–2002)

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
Please make sure to mention the most important kung-fu movie ever made, Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky, tia

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

achtungnight posted:

Ok maybe not The Tuxedo. I have some amount of taste. :)

I didn't think The Tuxedo was that bad, tbh. Haven't watched it since I was a teenager though.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Hell yeah! This looks to be tres fun!

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


How many Jackie Chan movies are on your list? 10, 15?

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Xander77 posted:

Oh yeah. When reviewing a martial arts movie, maybe replace "and then they fight" with some sort of discussion of what the martial arts are like? Does the fight look interesting, authentic, original in some way (just a random set of criteria, you can substitute your own)?
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

mandatory lesbian posted:

Please make sure to mention the most important kung-fu movie ever made, Riki-Oh: The Story of Ricky, tia

This, a thousand times this. Its a beautiful beautiful movie and everyone needs to see it.

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

My personal favourite Jackie Chan film is Rob-B-Hood. Jackie and friends are robbers who accidentally kidnap a baby. Hijinks ensue.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

David D. Davidson posted:

This, a thousand times this. Its a beautiful beautiful movie and everyone needs to see it.

It's pretty good, but it's not the be-all end-all of weird HK films. Miracle Fighters, Heroic Trio, Cult Master, The Seventh Curse, Mr. Vampire, Hello Dracular, Vampires Settle on Police Squad, Bury Me High, Dr. Wai and the Scripture of No Words, Peacock King, The Kid from Tibet, Robotrix, I Love Maria, Fantasy Mission Force, Operation Pink Commando, Saviour of the Soul, The Wicked City and a ton of others all should be seen.

Condoleezza Nice!
Jan 4, 2010

Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte
I love Sleeping Dogs, and United Front was a great studio.

For film recommendations, I'm sure they're on the list:

-Hard Boiled, or any John Woo flick basically
-Infernal Affairs (and by extension (sorta) the western "remake": The Departed)

Ratatozsk
Mar 6, 2007

Had we turned left instead, we may have encountered something like this...
I was just recently reminded of Brotherhood of the Wolf, which can best(?) be described of French Revolutionary wolf ninja historical fiction. I need to find a copy to rewatch to recall what the hell it was about, but I do remember it was enjoyable.

Antistar01
Oct 20, 2013

I think the only time I've ever consciously realised that I idolised someone was when I was a teenager - and it was Jackie Chan. This video reminds me why I felt that way.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

It's pretty good, but it's not the be-all end-all of weird HK films.

Once you've seen the ghost of Bruce Lee team up with Popeye the sailor man to liberate Hell from James Bond and Dracula, weird becomes a relative term.

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008



God drat I miss this channel.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.

Ratatozsk posted:

I was just recently reminded of Brotherhood of the Wolf, which can best(?) be described of pre-French Revolutionary American Native wolf ninja historical fiction. I need to find a copy to rewatch to recall what the hell it was about, but I do remember it was enjoyable.

FTFY. (It was about the Beast of Gevaudan, a string of attacks between 1764 and 1767 whose culprit was never found, but was thought to be an abnormally large wolf.

Iceclaw fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Sep 8, 2017

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Drunken Master is my favorite Jackie Chan film, but that's not really a unique opinion.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Actually, are there many movies which use martial arts other than the typical hand-to-hand style that's almost always done? The two that spring readily to my mind are Zorro and The Duellists.

Kopijeger
Feb 14, 2010
Barry Lyndon arguably does. The protagonist fights a boxing match to settle a dispute with another soldier, duels with rapiers and then has a pistol duel at the end.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Snatch has a fair few boxing matches in it.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



Chuck (aka The Bleeder) is obviously the ultimate hk martial arts movie.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
Swashbuckling movies in general? The Muskateer, though it's not a particularly good version of the Three Musketeers, has amazing fights. French dueling choreographed by a Chinese martial arts specialist. The tavern fight, in the beginning, is fantastic. Brotherhood of the Wolf also has excellent non-traditional choreography. The Oliver Gruner film Savate or The Fighter is a western with a Prussian boxer versus a Savate tireur.

Danger-Pumpkin
Apr 27, 2008

That's the way the bee bumbles.
Came for the LP, stayed for the Hong Kong Cinema review, stayed again for the very wise words about martial arts in general. Keep it up!

God. I really wish I could afford the five bucks, because I have SO MANY FILMS I want you to review!

Danger-Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Sep 9, 2017

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Swashbuckling movies in general? The Muskateer, though it's not a particularly good version of the Three Musketeers, has amazing fights. French dueling choreographed by a Chinese martial arts specialist. The tavern fight, in the beginning, is fantastic. Brotherhood of the Wolf also has excellent non-traditional choreography. The Oliver Gruner film Savate or The Fighter is a western with a Prussian boxer versus a Savate tireur.

And if it's Flynning you want, you can't ask for much more than the clifftop duel in The Princess Bride.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
I'm kinda wondering about that announcement at the end there.
While it's quite well written, the divine comedy doesn't really fit the theme.

berryjon
May 30, 2011

I have an invasion to go to.

Bruceski posted:

And if it's Flynning you want, you can't ask for much more than the clifftop duel in The Princess Bride.

If you're going to Flynn, at least invoke perhaps the two best duels between Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone - The Adventures of Robin Hood and Captain Blood.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



berryjon posted:

If you're going to Flynn, at least invoke perhaps the two best duels between Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone - The Adventures of Robin Hood and Captain Blood.
It might be selection bias, but it feels as though recent movies (among the ones I watched) tend to hide the whole "the object of stage-fencing is not to hit your opponent - it's to hit your opponent's sword" thing a bit better. The start of the duel in Captain Blood in particular is just...

"nyah, nyah, I'm hitting your sword, what are you gonna do about it big man?

:what: Just stand there and talk, who gives a poo poo?"

Compare and contrast with the Russian version (which also tries to have some sort of flow to the combat instead of "we're hitting each other's swords, we're hitting each other's swords... and time for the bad guy to die").

berryjon
May 30, 2011

I have an invasion to go to.

Xander77 posted:

Compare and contrast with the Russian version (which also tries to have some sort of flow to the combat instead of "we're hitting each other's swords, we're hitting each other's swords... and time for the bad guy to die").

I'm not going to disagree with you. However, Flynn and Rathbone's duels were there to entertain the audience by being flashy and to be demonstrations of the skill of the two of them (with Rathbone being better, but also in the 'bad guy' role, so he has to lose), as they were two swordsmen who happened to be actors. The duels were set pieces, rather than part of the plot.

Quiet Python
Nov 8, 2011
Basil Rathbone also had great duels with Tyrone Power (The Mark of Zorro) and Danny Kaye (The Court Jester). Maybe if I'm good, I'll grow up to be Basil Rathbone.

I still think the best martial arts film I ever saw was "Scaramouche" with Stewart Granger and Jose Ferrer.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Quiet Python posted:

Basil Rathbone also had great duels with Tyrone Power (The Mark of Zorro) and Danny Kaye (The Court Jester). Maybe if I'm good, I'll grow up to be Basil Rathbone.

I still think the best martial arts film I ever saw was "Scaramouche" with Stewart Granger and Jose Ferrer.

Scaramouche is brilliant and has training montages appropriate to a Shaw Brother's film. For more modern swashbuckling/non-Asian martial arts films Cutthroat Island has some surprisingly good duels, as does the 1970s film Swashbuckler with Robert Shaw.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Someone who's gainfully employed should request a review of The Bodyguard.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Finally, you are a whole man.

Pork buns really are pretty great.

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Night10194 posted:

Finally, you are a whole man.

Pork buns really are pretty great.

Yeah, get one every time I'm in chinatown I usually get one for lunch.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Anyone know the history of Southern Chinese cooking? Why did steamed bread become so popular there over other forms of bread cooking?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Kung Pow! rules, you just have to mentally regress to being 12 when you watch it. Or at least the funny voiceover stuff rules, the bad cgi gags are as cringeworthy as you say. TBH I feel the same way about the cgi stuff in Stephen Chow's movies even those are much better movies overall.

Also this conversation is making me miss Chinese street food hard.

Quiet Python
Nov 8, 2011
I think the Vigilante costume you picked up in this episode is either Jet Li's outfit from "Fist of Legend" or Donnie Yen's outfit from "Fist of Legend II: The Legend of Chen Zhen".

It's most likely the first one, since the second one had the chauffeur's cap and domino mask Bruce Lee wore when he played Kato on "The Green Hornet".

Do people still do comedy overdubs of old movies? There's "Kung Pow", there's "What's Up, Tiger Lily?", are there any others?

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sinekumquat
Jun 12, 2005

the most dangerous philosopher in the west
College Slice
we have dramatically different opinions on how the chinese languages sound 可是因为我是北京人

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