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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Oh poo poo uspol.

8-bit savant is so bad he re-created uspol with his ignorance.

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

oh, poo poo uspol

or

oh poo poo, uspol

yes

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007
Lol @ anyone who hasn't had condiv on ignore for forever and reads a uspol thread. He's like a computer that takes in facts and spits out the absolute dumbest takes possible.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Majorian posted:

He's making some pretty good points here, that are backed up by evidence. If you think the substance of his argument is dumb, tell us why.

That would be difficult, since I have him on ignore. Also I'm not interested in responding to Condiv's temporary bouts of coherency.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

not anymore we dont lol


sorry your dumb plan is magical bullshit that wont work but that's not my fault so dont get mad at me for pointing it out


you don't, because of the way land use is controlled in the us localities are always subject to dumb state laws and intervention

I'm sorry, are you trying to claim that there is no such thing as public housing in the US anymore? Your random, evidence-less claims that his plan is magical aren't super convincing. And I'm pretty sure, one of the points that he's making is that we need to find a way to use state and local laws to do the things he's talking about. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to the argument, or are you just making GBS threads on it because it's cheap, easy, and common to claim all things left of Bill Clinton are impossible pipe dreams?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

ok i'll wait for you to ride up on a unicorn and save the poor minorities who are useful props for your rumplestiltskin level strawspinning lmbo

Do you have more to offer than 'lol nah'?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Probably Magic posted:

What the gently caress is this post.

He's just trying to wave away any push toward policies to the left of Third Way centrism with claims that it would require literal magic fairy wands to enact laws that are slightly less lovely than the ones currently on the books.

It's basically a really lame rear end appeal to tradition.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

i dont know what to tell you other than research what is happening to public housing in the united states and who is responsible for the administration of public housing (as well as the incentives they have to convert it to market based developments)

i mean i could write you a book but i doubt it would be useful here given that we're currently up to our next in the leftist firing squad version of nationalize all housing and how feasible that might be

I'm asking you to do more than tell me to do your research for you. This is a debate and discussion forum - offer us some things to debate and discuss that aren't you just wildly declaring that everyone that disagrees with you is completely crazy.

I don't think that's a lot to ask for.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

i mean i proposed a plan which would actually work on the level of a single jurisdiction and could be done without extensive political campaigns beyond getting enough people to show up at zoning board meetings but i'm being shouted down by people who don't even grok the idea of overlay zoning so i'm just making enemies here by pissing on useless fantasies :shrug:

it's not my fault goons are ignorant and smug

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

i'm saying that gentrification can easily be mitigated through the local police power to regulate land uses by implementing tax abatement districts and putting the brakes on redevelopment. this is something that you don't even need elected officials to do really you just amend the zoning ordinance

the other guy is saying that we need to figure out how to cap rents somehow and get local governments to authorize new direct construction and administration of public housing which is contrary to decades worth of trends in funding and policy

oh and the other guy is yelling at me for calling his plan unrealistic, and he thinks i'm a neoliberal

So your plan is to use local police forces in the United States to help serve poc and poor communities? And you're calling the rest of us unrealistic?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

that isn't really a mitigation plan but given the pretty abysmal level of knowledge you've demonstrated so far vs. repeating slogans you read on some facebook antifa group chat again i'm not expecting you to be really aware of the difference


pretty much bait for a court challenge that would be likely to succeed

i like the sentiment tho

Can you please come down from your cloud of enlightenment and explain it to us mere mortals?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

boner confessor posted:

yeah sure hold on let me get the post where i say exactly that which you didn't read instead of choosing to complain about how i wasn't leftist enough or whatever bug crawled up your rear end



None of that is anything except you declaring things to be so. In fact, I even replied to that post in specific because ypu somehow think giving local police extra authority and directives to move through low income and poc communities is a good thing despite literally centuries of police on poc violence in the us.

Like, what do you think keeps the open and obvious racists from making things worse here? And thats not even addressing the things you keep demanding we admit are obvious and acting like what you say is established fact You also still refuse to even link anything that might be remotely able to be called a source, then get mad when people don't immediately fall in line with your random ideas.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Are you saying obama wasn't a dem? What would hillary be able to do that obama couldn't?

:thunk:

Be president until 2020 or 2024, potentially during a democrat majority in Congress. Are you an absolute idiot or something?

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Well bless your heart. A democrat majority is absolutely worthless unless they actually want to accomplish good things. And 2008-2010 indicates that they don't, so I'm not really sure why that is desirable to you.


I don't even really disagree with you, but you asked a ridiculously stupid question if you paid even the slightest bit of attention to the context of what was being said.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

I know your entire gimmick is 'willfully dense trolling' but countries with stronger welfare states don't tend to have as many problems with income inequality as those that don't do as much for their citizens. In modern political rhetoric, at least in the US, those states are often considered 'more socialist' due to the stronger social safety net.

I could certainly be wrong, but this is a very simple and surface level reading of the single quote you decided to post like 6 or so times arguing against trying to score cool points or whatever it is you do when you decide to misinterpret something on a technicality.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's not a technicality. Read the paper.

Literally no economist in the world would call Japan, Canada, or Taiwan a "socialist economy."

Words mean things and in an academic study trying to identify international economic common threads with statistical impacts on inequality, they are not using "political rhetoric that is often considered accurate in the United States."

Saying, "What an idiot this professor is! The common thread is capitalism." is surface level reading and not understanding the actual problems being discussed.

You can never make an effective change if you don't even know what is being discussed.

it is a good thing you were here to police a throwaway post on somethingawful.com, the international economic community would never survive without your policing of this thread.

thank for your service leon trotsky 2012

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Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Badger of Basra posted:

I don't think even the most hardcore tankie would say it's impossible to reduce inequality in a capitalist economy so I'm not sure what your point is. They would say it's impossible to eliminate it, because inequality is inherent in capitalism!

Yeah, this is the reading literally any functional human being would've gotten from the post.


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

"I was wrong and didn't understand, but perhaps you were more wrong for noticing? Hmmm...?"

please re-read the posts calling you an idiot by me and other posters and you might figure out where you are wrong here. Probably not though.

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