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Dead Reckoning posted:Oh cool, all we need to do is totally re-orient our economy without any of the corruption, waste and violence that normally accompanies such affairs. Your argument seems to be "humans can't do this, therefore any argument suggesting humans need to do this must be wrong" when in fact the conclusion you would be reaching if you could think rationally, is "the human race is doomed". And this may actually be the case, but it's not very helpful.
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Seems to me you could always just, you know, stay away from the person with the knife. I mean make sure they are not an immediate threat to anyone else including yourself, but don't do some stand your ground poo poo either, where the person is slowly advancing at you with the knife and your response is to stay where you are until they're close enough that you have to shoot them. Clear the area, back off, and wait until someone arrives with a non-lethal method of subduing the subject at a distance. I mean these are the same cops who shoot black people for the crime of being black around a police officer, so compared to that this is a minor thing, but since we're talking about it already...
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PhazonLink posted:Young people are stupid and get high and drunk and don't vote every 4 years.. On the other hand all I ever hear is how these drat millennials don't cut loose and party as much, don't use drugs as much, don't like tits as much, don't like Applebees either, and as if all that wasn't bad enough none of them will buy my drat house  Maybe the reason Democrats can't win elections is, every time they lose an election they write a loving book slamming all the people who didn't vote for them, and then when it comes time to try to win some of those votes, all you hear is "why the gently caress would I do that, they don't vote anyway"  You realize that when you're part of a losing coalition it's your job to get more people to vote for you than in the last election (the one that, you know, you lost)?
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Sep 24, 2017 07:31
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Potato Salad posted:So, what happened recently that's getting leftists particularly vile? We're continuing to gain support for Medicare for All, we're continuing to primary in the states waaaay better than we did in 2014 and 2016, the Dems are holding the line against ACA repeal without any traitors so far, I'm seeing a new face in my DSA chapter every week.... what's the bee in your collective bonnets? Have centrists not been literally killing themselves fast enough to sate your thirst? Does the Dems playing DJT into potentially saving 800,000 minorities get your loving dicks blueballed?
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Potato Salad posted:You're the guy who couldn't resist making near crypto fascist excuses and edging hard on "Dems shouldn't help on DACA" with dog whistles so loud that it woke up the pound two blocks from my house, right? Or do I have your particularly fantastic string of "Perfection or literally death and broken families, no middle ground folks" posting attributed to the wrong event?
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I'm also pro-life, which came as quite a shock to my brain, which kept insisting "no I am not" as it read through Potato Salad's posts. Yet there is was, spelled out for me, clear as can be.
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Sep 24, 2017 09:05
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I've got two Senators from my state occupying very safe, very blue seats. Neither of them bothered to co-sponsor or otherwise endorse the M4A bill, a bill which has no chance of passing anyway. It's nice that the topic has been more fully broached, but if you think it would get 16 cosponsors and brought to the floor with the Democrats in control of the Senate where it might actually have a chance of passing (or rather, no plausible bogeyman to point to when it didn't), then I think you have poor political instincts. To put it mildly. Exactly what happened in CA will happen on a national level with this thing unless the Democrats are forced to act otherwise, in the sense of kicking the bastards out and replacing them with representatives who aren't terrible. The Democratic Party is not a waste. It is the vehicle through which democratic socialism has the most realistic chance of becoming a thing, in America. The Democrats currently running the party loving are a waste, as they will fight against that happening far more tenaciously and vindictively than they ever have against anything the GOP has ever done. There will be no adherence to decorum or tradition in that battle, for certain. That only thing to be done about that is to expedite their inevitable career change into the lobbying sector (then outlaw lobbying). In the meantime, unless I have a reason to think otherwise, on a case-by-case basis, I'll regard any overtures they make to the left for what they almost certainly are: hollow triangulation. Some of them might actually follow through if they feel they have no other choice - a lot of them won't. For the former we need to make sure they do feel they have no other choice, and you don't accomplish that by putting down the knives.
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Sep 24, 2017 09:22
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boner confessor posted:there are plenty of folks who desperately need to show off how leftist they are right now so it's just an escalating series of more-leftist-than-thou statements that are just political peacocking
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Sep 25, 2017 02:39
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Ytlaya posted:Isn't that basically another synonym for "virtue signalling"? Why is it any more acceptable to assume that socialist/leftist people are being dishonest when they express left-leaning political views than it is to assume that a person is being dishonest when they express positive views on social issues? Of course there are people in both cases for which this applies, but who cares? They're still advocating for something good, regardless of intent (unless you don't think it's good, in which case you should argue on ideological grounds instead of this bizarre contrarian thing). Which I think people are mostly doing. It's just that we ignore boner confessor for other reasons, which he mistakes for impertinence.
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Sep 25, 2017 08:16
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Condiv posted:i think "pragmatism" is a bad idea since it's lead to nazis gaining power everywhere. the germans just had a major nazi party gain a lot of power out of nowhere in their government cause the big left-wing party has been being pragmatically centrist for too long. likewise, nazis are gaining a foothold in france thanks to useless centrism, and of course you all saw where centrism got us here in america. Just call them liberals.
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Sep 25, 2017 08:21
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Communist Zombie posted:On economic growth a UBI would allow growth to happen since the US is currently in a demand pit due to low wages, so increasing spending power would naturally lift the economy out of it. As UBI is unconditional it would be a force for higher wages since it both forms another floor for wages with minimum wage and it makes unemployment less unappealing / more bearable and so takes some power away from employers.
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Sep 27, 2017 02:30
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Squalid posted:This was so painfully obvious I just assumed Potato Salad was being intentionally disingenuous as someone so incredibly stupid as as to actually misread Dead Reckoning seemed completely implausible. However I should know better than to underestimate the power of the internet to make you stupid When I brought it up a few weeks later (in response to her complaining about "vileness" on the left), she accused me of want to dismantle DACA. Who knows what outrageous horseshit she'll accuse me of in response to this post. Should be interesting. She also "keeps tabs" on the bad Dem thread and is "convinced" we're all r\t_d sockpuppets. She's a disingenuous poo poo-poster at the very least, if not someone's troll account. But more importantly she's dumb as poo poo.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:At this point, politics by drawing of straws may produce statistically better results over a long term. Like yeah, you'll get some racist idiots in office from time to time... but many Americans aren't Roy Moore. And if your sampling is truly random, you may actually get 50% women and 40% PoCs (overlapping) in the offices of power. May even get a nice class distribution as well...
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Sep 30, 2017 05:48
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There is no reason for approximately half of the entire Congress to be composed of lawyers.
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Sep 30, 2017 05:56
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LOL that we need lawyers in Congress to write and understand laws, when the laws are written by corporations anyway (although they're written by the legal team, I'll give you that). And our representatives by and large do not read them before voting. But yeah we need those lawyers 
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Sep 30, 2017 06:07
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I mean you can turn this around as well: why the gently caress should lawyers be writing up trade agreements and deciding the finer points of copyright law, not to mention trying to figure out how to implement a health care system that isn't a complete trash fire? Why should they be the ones wielding our military? They know gently caress-all about any of those things. If I need to write up a contract or enter into one, I can consult a lawyer if I need to. There is no reason legislators can't do the same.
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Moatman posted:Why should lawyers be deciding the finer points of copyright law? Why should lawyers be deciding the finer points of law??? Mustached Demon posted:Ideally, a lawyer writes the law with the guidance of experts in the field the law applies to. Ask some hospital admins for help with healthcare. Ask scientists (not pastor fuckwads) for help with setting education in science standards.
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Ytlaya posted:This is a legitimate problem, and I'm not sure if there's any ideal answer to it. Generally speaking, people with expertise in an area are also going to have some sort of bias in favor of the industry that could put that expertise to use. That being said, I'm not entirely convinced that people with industry experience are actually the only ones with expertise in the field in question. Taking finance as an example, there are people in academia who have similar expertise. Even then you still have some perverse incentives in the fact that anyone with expertise also has the potential for working in that field in the future, and thus has a reason to not act against the interests of the relevant corporations. I know this is getting awfully close to "blame the voter" and I guess it sort of is, but this goes beyond which party you vote for, or don't vote for. It's the entire approach to democracy most people take where they think voting every four years after having one of the debates in the background while they cook dinner, means they've done their part. It's thinking that 30 years of listening to talk radio makes you an expert on the human condition. E: The highest law in the land says "the President appoints the god-damned Justices to the Supreme Court" yet here we are. The answer is to crush people like McConnell into jelly when they get too much power, not try to hamstring them with a bunch of "one weird trick" rules they'll just ignore anyway (and which the people you don't want being hamstrung, will not ignore). Kilroy fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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You guys know legislators do more than just literally write out the loving laws, right? They determine what policy directions will have priority before they ever put pen to paper. Moreover, that is the more important part of their job, and there is no reason to think a lawyer is any better suited for that than anyone else.
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Boon posted:Lawyers also trend liberal by a wide margin
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Condiv posted:edit: i really don't get why some people are pretending we're trying to dumb down congress or be anti-intellectual in advocating for less lawyers in congress It's the same shitheads who think IT folks should be launched into the sun the moment they have an opinion on anything other than what's the best OS[1], but for some reason lawyers should be in charge of running the country and gently caress you if you think otherwise. Lawyers know everything about everything and that's why you want lawyers pondering the finer points of economic theory and how to put together a sensible health care system. It is exactly the same sort of "common sense" horseshit coming from talk radio talking poo poo about college professors, except from a different direction. [1]Linux Mint
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Pretty sure that if we had a legislature dominated by hedge fund managers and I said "get the loving bankers out of Congress" no one would say peep about how I apparently want to murder all the bankers and create a society without banks. But as soon as I say "get the loving lawyers out" apparently I've got an unquenchable thirst for lawyer blood  Tell you what: I'll settle for 6% of Congress being lawyers. That to me, qualifies as "get the loving lawyers out". All you L&J majors' fee-fees better now? jfc
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Stereotype posted:I'm a physicist and I constantly tell everyone that if you're doing physics for any reason other than love of knowledge then you're going to hate it. The hours are long, the work can be tedious, the pay is bad, there is almost no job security, and in the end no one cares about your results.  yeah I wrapped up my physics degree and said "welp that was fun, guess I'll go make programs for a living now" and I can't say I regret thatgood on you for advancing the state of knowledge - someone has to
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evilweasel posted:i'm pretty sure i recall various "reasonable" gun nuts suggesting that they would possibly consider accepting universal background checks if ownership of fully automatic weapons was legalized, with the argument they've never been used in a crime because they're so expensive (because they're basically illegal)
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Crowsbeak posted:Actually it is his. But I am not going to get at how this man should be denied commmunion.
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QuoProQuid posted:https://twitter.com/PeterHamby/status/915390502337482753
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Radish posted:Goddamnit I thought they were supposed to be trying to get all the elections full of candidates instead of just letting Republicans run unopposed in districts that went Clinton...
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Huzanko posted:Always remember, too, that they're anti-gun-control folks are anti-gun-control period, most of the time. They think any legislation or action is just step one of a complete and total ban. They won't meet you in the middle; they won't meet you anywhere. But yeah, I'm probably a minority. And my 2nd amendment stance continues to soften over time the more I read posts from Dead Reckoning et al, so keep up the good work DR!
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Condiv, he's been saving all that political capital. For what, we can't know. All we can know is that when he finally uses it, you'll be glad you waited.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I'm confused, is it the liberals or the leftists who are worse than Nazis? According to liberals: it depends. Did a leftist hurt their feelings today? Then that liberal might tell you leftists are worse than Nazis (esp if feeling were hurt over accusations of collaboration), and that they spread right-wing talking points, etc etc.
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Volkerball posted:
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Volkerball posted:Christ, u mad bro in 2017. if anyone wants to be informed on the youtube commenter take we'll be sure to let you know. This thread routinely shits on leftists and dogpiles for such casual and inherently true observations like "you shouldn't enable your lovely Trump-loving friends and relatives" and my statement which you originally replied to is thoroughly correct.
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karthun posted:And how much discretionary spending should there be on health care?
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karthun posted:Wrong, the answer is zero. health care should be mandatory spending not discretionary. The worst thing we could ever do is pass a UHC bill funded out of discretionary spending. CHIP for example was funded out of discretionary and what do you know, the fiscal year ended and now we are going to deny 9 million children and pregnant women off health care because congress forgot to markup the bill.
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Boon posted:Bunch of malcontents who want to do nothing but bitch ITT  half your posts are long-winded critiques of other posters
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DC Murderverse posted:bernie people do not like her because she allegedly gave hillary clinton access to debate questions before a primary debate. this time next year you'll be dismissing it as conspiracy theory I suspect
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shrike82 posted:Shrug, I guess I'm a Bernie bro - voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general. Happy with the results so far and plan to do the same in 2020
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/vavreck/status/920842105836015616
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Trabisnikof posted:Does anyone actually have the context for the comment? Earlier in the speech she was talking about sexual harassment in the workplace and in that regard Romney is certainly no Trump. Pelosi / Biden 2020.
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