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Bust Rodd posted:in 2020 being a liberal means thinking its more important to have the right kind of person shoveling poo poo down your throat than it is to have real policies that enact change for your community. that is also what it meant in 1996 it's just that the internet was small and the old activists were either tired or embarrassed so leftists weren't mass-communicating their anger into the brainosphere
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If you're not upholding Mao Zedong thought in your daily life you might be a liberal
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Trashman posted:I see zero reason why he should endorse Biden, like isn’t Bernie supposed to be an independent and anti the establishment? how the gently caress does endorsing Biden square with that? Trashman posted:I was always realistic about this and never thought of Bernie as some perfect super left guy, but I thought he at least had the guts to stick it out and at least the principles to not endorse an scumbag racist rapist... turns out I was wrong the guy not only said he would do this he literally did the last time he ran. how is this sort of fanfiction made reality in people's heads and how do I harness it for Good
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Apr 16, 2020 14:48
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One More Fat Nerd posted:The CSPAM usage of liberal (status quo defender, numbers fuckstein, PMC IDPOL LOVING BOUGIE FUCKS) is incredibly different from the standard american usage of liberal (anything left of the percieved center) I don't know if that's "standard american" but it is standard corporate media complex, and thus a more specific/accurate usage sometimes confuses people still trapped within that mental box
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Rastor posted:I don't know if that's "standard american" but it is standard corporate media complex, and thus a more specific/accurate usage sometimes confuses people still trapped within that mental box You're right, an actual "standard american" usage would probably be closer to the RW media version.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:The CSPAM usage of liberal (status quo defender, numbers fuckstein, PMC IDPOL LOVING BOUGIE FUCKS) is incredibly different from the standard american usage of liberal (anything left of the percieved center) which is also different from the RW media use of liberal (anyone who isn't a proud Nazi). the cspam usage is closest to the historical and global usage of the term, us media is loving stupid but it also explains a lot that we use liberal to mean left-leaning when that is absolutely not what it means
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Bastard Tetris posted:I did basically all my canvassing in Latino neighborhoods in my community and they showed the gently caress up, we kicked the poo poo out of Biden locally. This is the real story. Bernie's big beautiful Latino base got shut out and marginalized by the Democratic party and it's so disgusting I won't support a DNC candidate ever again, except insurgents. Latino socialist party when? ...haha I'm just kidding, I know it's never, whitey is a terrible demon that leaps from body to body at will and will defend american apartheid until the seas boil. Strep Vote has issued a correction as of 16:26 on Apr 16, 2020 |
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Apr 16, 2020 16:22
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"liberal" is an ever-shifting concept, but at any given time you can deduce what being one means by asking yourself "what platform would I have to adopt if I were to set out to co-opt the political left and pump the brakes on any of their progress" in 2002 that meant you were anti-LGBT rights, pro-Iraq, and heaping praise on Bush for keeping the anti-American radicals in their free speech zones while chiding the bloodthirsty warhawks for not waiting until their good friends at the New York Times verify these troubling reports in 2006 it meant you gave lip service to LGBT rights (Bush's 2004 campaign was among the most anti-LGBT in history, remember this when Ellen pals around with him), were unhappy about the obvious fraud that Iraq now was but don't believe in withdrawing troops, still supported anti-LGBT people on your side, and think the financial sector can be trusted and the Dems shouldn't use their sweeping majorities to hinder them in any way in 2010 it meant you were also concerned about the ACA and considered it electoral poison, that the Dems are starting to lose ground in a serious way because they're not conservative enough, you're super in favor of gay marriage, and Obama is a decorous statesman - the best in a generation! - and not the radical born in Kenya you suspected 2 years earlier you get the idea if you're noticing "wow it seems like the definition of liberalism in the US is basically just defending the status quo while entertaining no reform ideas except ones from their immediate right" then ding ding ding It's not unique to the US really, you could substitute Kautsky in Lenin's writings for a lot of people you're more familiar with and it would ring true. It's the role the liberal plays in capital-captured democracies, which is why all the ones you see or hear tend to be quite wealthy. Not One Inch Left is the only thing they actually believe in, and if you successfully force them to move that way they will pretend it was all their doing because of course it's almost always the most popular option
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the reason americans have tended to conflate liberalism with leftiness is that the left party in america is officially a liberal party, unlike basically everywhere else in the west where the main left party is nominally some flavour of socialist the nineties and the death of social democracy has seen a lot of movement on that front (many socialist parties have made more or less official shifts towards liberalism and some have died outright, e.g. the french socialist party) but the political culture in most of europe and much of the world associates liberalism with the soft right, as is imo reasonable given its genealogy there's a bunch of liberal substrands, but they all have a basic respect for private property and individual liberty over the common good. social liberals in particular love to pretend as though there's no real difference between them and more liberally oriented socialists
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Apr 16, 2020 16:24
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Strep Vote posted:This is the real story. Bernie's big beautiful Latino base got shut out and marginalized by the Democratic party and it's so disgusting I won't support a DNC candidate ever again, except insurgents. This is another example. Dems gloated about the GOP ditching the latino bloc because they decided not to move left on immigration issues, but we're now seeing the Dems do the exact same thing because they decided that their priority going forward is going to be GOP-style immigration policies. Literally no candidate but Bernie even bothered to pander to the latino vote after Beto and Castro dropped, and Biden never will. Turnout among them will be depressed as a result, and the 30% that went for Trump last time will be a larger share thanks also to ones that go over in disgust
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Apr 16, 2020 16:27
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Epic High Five posted:This is another example. Dems gloated about the GOP ditching the latino bloc because they decided not to move left on immigration issues, but we're now seeing the Dems do the exact same thing because they decided that their priority going forward is going to be GOP-style immigration policies. Literally no candidate but Bernie even bothered to pander to the latino vote after Beto and Castro dropped, and Biden never will. Turnout among them will be depressed as a result, and the 30% that went for Trump last time will be a larger share thanks also to ones that go over in disgust Also it'll be a larger share because that same 30% will show up for Trump and some of the 70% from last time will stay home
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Apr 16, 2020 16:34
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vyelkin posted:Also it'll be a larger share because that same 30% will show up for Trump and some of the 70% from last time will stay home yep! that's going to account for 95% of the increase, but the GOP saying "yeah it looks bad but if you did everything right you're safe, you've been safe so far right?" is going to be basically the only pitch they hear because the Dems' priority is clearly to defend the carceral status quo and put a Clinton-style tough on crime person in charge of the whole thing. All I've heard them talk about is how they'll protect the DACA kids but like, didn't Schumer already toss them all in a ditch to appease McConnell like, 2 years ago? Don't they understand that that's a tiny piece of the puzzle and that "the death camps will be more humane" like Biden proposes isn't reassuring in the least? Christ I hate this party so much
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Apr 16, 2020 16:40
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vyelkin posted:Also it'll be a larger share because that same 30% will show up for Trump and some of the 70% from last time will stay home my prediction is that trump will get less latino votes than 2016 but still a bigger share
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Truga posted:my prediction is that trump will get less latino votes than 2016 but still a bigger share Sounds like a reasonable bet imo
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Apr 16, 2020 16:45
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Truga posted:my prediction is that trump will get less latino votes than 2016 but still a bigger share that would be funny.
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Apr 16, 2020 16:47
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like in a person's pants falling down on the way to the gallows sort of way.
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Apr 16, 2020 16:48
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138 posted:like in a person's pants falling down on the way to the gallows sort of way. no fair peeking ahead into what 2021 is about
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hello desolate memento mori thread, can anyone give baby bernie avatar to commemorate the toxx, thank u v much in advance xoxo
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SubnormalityStairs posted:I’ve been noticing posts like this in cspam for a while. I’ve considered myself a liberal for decades, but these posts are always the complete opposite of my views. Am I not actually a liberal? How can I even tell? Being a liberal is a very subjective thing. You can quote Donald Trump to liberals and pretend these quotes come from Hillary or Barrack Obama and they'll have no shame agreeing with what was said. Only a few sees through it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzC-l7tovFk
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Dalael posted:Being a liberal is a very subjective thing. You can quote Donald Trump to liberals and pretend these quotes come from Hillary or Barrack Obama and they'll have no shame agreeing with what was said. Only a few sees through it. this sort of thing is also why I tell people that Trump's gonna win because he'll say that the Dems actually like 99% of what he does, they just don't like that he's the one doing them, and they won't have anything to point to in response
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Epic High Five posted:this sort of thing is also why I tell people that Trump's gonna win because he'll say that the Dems actually like 99% of what he does, they just don't like that he's the one doing them, and they won't have anything to point to in response Yup. And its easy to look further and see people agreeing with his tax plan and other stuff. American politics is pure tribalism.
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Apr 16, 2020 18:20
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People are seriously surprised and mad Bernie endorses Biden? lmfao.
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serious norman posted:People are seriously surprised and mad Bernie endorses Biden? lmfao. For his whole waging wage on the establishment and billionaire class Bernie sure folded quickly! Especially given how Sleepy Joe did multiple favors for the FIRE sector over the years for things like the bankruptcy and credit card law changes.
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