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Rarity posted:I wonder what the Lord himself what have to say about the Church going full on white imperialists? Equality for all in the Papal lands, says I! This isn't about race, it's about religion (not that we haven't integrated any place softly except for the Incans, which had it coming with the whole Tupac business). We're going to drag the pagan world into modernity and Catholicism, kicking and screaming if we have to. --- Sooo, since there's an enormous sin-against-God Orthodox-Yazidi-Shia alliance network, perhaps we should finally deal with the slavers and help Spain liberate their people living under Mali? Or we could always send the more adventurous of the Papal Guard off to die in India on an adventure to reclaim Imperial land and hand it to Portugal and that other Kaiserraj state... get those energetic soldiers out of our hair. (Or if Basra is no longer connected to the Timurids, and hasn't replaced them with the axis of evil, then we could stop their now 100 year old counteroffensive against the Catholic periphery in Eastern Anatolia.) frankenfreak posted:Spend your ADM, for the love of God! Got something to beat that... The 8 relations is natural! The Papal League isn't free like the Italian League seemed to be, we are at -4 Diplo a month.  I doubt it'll happen for RP reasons, but if we cancel with Austria and add Diplo Focus we can get to 5 a month (or 4 if we just swap them for Poland who could really use our help, if they're interested), then once we get +1 relationship from Influence it'll be a merely nasty -2. ... When the time comes we might need to vote for letting the colonies go rather than forcing them back in line with the devastation that would entail. The taxes must be reducing their ability to expand economically and territorially, so as much as it sucks to give up our free colonial alliance network we might want to prepare to grant them independence (so that we don't have to kill our own children...). Then again I suppose we could always let greed take its course, until it becomes obvious what a disaster it has wrought, then win the war (killing perhaps 10% of the colonials), and hopefully having learnt our lesson, lower the tariffs. Edit: Oh no, I think the mainland Hospitallers in Spain flipped to Protestantism. 
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How many embezzlers will we have to go through before we actually get someone good?
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HereticMIND posted:How many embezzlers will we have to go through before we actually get someone good? It's the Papacy, they'll all be embezzlers, all the way to the bitter end.
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Maybe the colonies will forget about the tariffs in the fluff for a while if we help/order Victoria and Adamane expand southwards, and north in Adamane's case (could grab Comanche and Assiboine and cut off New Spain if we hurry).  Or will ordering a colonial war count as a war of conquest, even if we only send money and coordinate the colonies? Oh right, the wars would actually make it impossible for them to declare independence, right? Perfect... It makes sense they'd stop complaining for the duration if they managed to replace their lost tariffs with more land, while at the same time it'd make them more rebellious in the future. (At which point hopefully we'll have a nice Pope who lets them go or best of all, kicks their asses quickly and then lowers the tariffs. Making them larger makes even more story sense, since if we combine Victoria, Adamane and New Italy (and maybe even Need Sicily) we'll have a super-colony that would be even more rebellious, so that we get some proper independence wars. Chile sounds like it'd probably want to stay loyal to us almost no matter what, just to not get absorbed by others, but who knows, maybe they'll want to be free and manage to ally with Sergia. rarx fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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1624 - 1633 - Fall of L'empire While most of Europe (and most likely the history books) will remember Pope Paulus II as a great man and keeper of the peace here in Europe we in the Vatican know it came at a cost, one far higher than necessary so he could continue to skim ducats off the top to line the pockets of his friends and family. And unfortunately much of the Papal government which kept them quiet and complacent. Pope Callistus II it seems will be more of the same. The new Pontiff's first act is to call for the expansion of many churches across Italy, he talks of making them larger, more beautiful, more holy places but it could be construed as wanting to attract more people to the new cathedrals so they can contribute to the church taxes and help fill the Vatican vaults with their hard earned gold.  Unfortunately just weeks into the new Pope's reign a French diplomat arrives in Rome, urgently requesting the Papal State's military to assist them. The Kingdom of Egypt is once again attempting to break free - and this time they have powerful allies. While many here in Europe are still unsure what to make of this "Chrislam" it would seem the Muslims are far more willing to accept - if only to spite the Catholics. Both the Shia sultanate of Medina and the Sunni Mamluks have backed Egypt. England has also decided to enter the fray on Egypt's side, determined to see their rival across the channel taken down a peg or two. And most worringly New France, one of the largest colonies in the New World has also declared it's ambitions for freedom alongside the Egyptians. Should they gain their independence it will be a sure sign to the other colonies that freedom is possible.    And to make matters worse Lowland rebellions continue to plague northenr France, mostly funded and supplied by the Dutch.  Before we can begin shipping the army to the southern shores we have to ensure they can have a safe journey, with the assistance of the Carthage we dispatch with the Egyptian navy and the seas remain safe for the remainder of the war.   With the Mediterranean safe the fleet is sent to transport the Milan regiment, reports from scout ships along the coast report Egypt and her allies have an immense force rapidly moving across the lands of Carthage.  The Milan Regiment lands in Cathage just in time to quickly relocate south and back up the Cartharinginan defners as the Egyptians close in.  Unfortunately their numbers are too great and they are led by a brillant general by the name of Hildebert Gilles.   In the New World hostile colonial forces once again savagely attack Victoria. The English who are winning their war against the Japanese colonials now march south to take our colony, surely hellbent on making all the Avallonian West Coast in to an English colony after the loss of Argentine. The Victorians have learnt in the thirty-some years since the last war and now have a some-what professional army, with the assistance of Adamanian militia they manage to hold back the English at Regina Angeli and slowly push back towards Saint Francis. Opportunistic English scouts and skirmishers seize upon Adamane being undefended and wreak havoc in the frontier.   It is the summer of 1626. The Papal army has formed a defensive perimiter around the city of Carthage and halted the Egyptian advance, but a great deal of the northern coast has been ransacked and many thousands of Nordafricano peasants have fled towards the city. We dare not allow them to get close lest any number of them be spies or saboteurs loyal to Egypt, instead huge camps are established just a few miles behind the frontlines and a portion of the Papal armies remain their to maintain order.  The Milan Regiment, having recovered from the battle against general Gilles has boarded the Papal Fleet to sail east and attempt a covert operation in the banks of the Nile, however upon nearing the shore they come under fire, learning that despite much of the Egyptian army being in Carthage there still have even more left behind here - along with their allies. At the very least this alarms Egypt who begin to slowly pull back their forces to better defend the homeland.  It is now late winter / early 1627 and the climate much fairer and more favourable to long marches and intense fighting. The main elements of the Egyptian invasion force have fallen back and we can begin the counter-offensive, marching out in all directions to take back the southern coast.  By late summer again we have liberated much of Carthage. Unfortunately in the west the Pisa Regiment in their attempt to liberate Oran run in to general Gilles once more and do not fare well.   New year 1628 and our forces reach the Carthage-Egypt border along with French regiments who have arrived to help push towards the Nile.  Nearer to the city of Carthage and the Pisa Regiment is once again ambushed by the Egyptians, thankfully they too were weakened in the battle and the Engineer Corps manages to cut them off from their route of escape and at last general Gilles is defeated in battle.   While the Egyptians and Medinans had fallen back we assumed they had taken up defensive positions near Cario. Instead they had marched north and through the Balkans. The Kingdom of Antolia were more than happy to give military access to armies trying to crush Catholicism, the Kingdom of Greece - still weak and undermanned - how little choice but to let the Chrislamic and Muslim armies through. In 1629 a surprise invasion of Papal-croatia is undertaken and the Papal Guard are ordered to move to Fruili to block them at once.  What's more with the French forces now aiding in the push for Cairo France has been largely undefended and the English have crossed the channel, occupying Paris and the surrounded areas.  The Papal Guard has arrived in Bosnia where only a smaller Egyptian force remains as the Medinans fall back to aid defending Cairo as we draw closer. Thankfully the Polish who are allied with France and been idle much of the war send their own army to help us retake the eastern provinces. However once again Medina defies expection and doesnt return to Egypt but has moved north to raid Poland.  The Krain Regiment is recalled to help defended their Austrian brothren. On the border with the Holy Roman Empire the two regiments finally manage to catch the Egyptian raiders led by the Capet King himself, unfortunately he escapes unscathed.   To add further complications wild cossacks who inhabit Hungary have begun crossing our border, raiding and pillaging the towns of the Austria-Croatia region. We demand the Hungarians do something about it but they claim they are powerless.   In Sergia there is troubling reports of a great general - Eutychianus Callistus (son of the late Julius Callistus who served alongside Pope Sergius V) who openly calls for revolution and the liberation of all the New World from the old. We order the man's death but our communique are ignored and soon enough we hear they have promoted Callistus to the leader of the Sergean army. The irony of both the Pope and now his biggest adversary both being called Callistus lost on no one and also the source of much confusion when discussing the two.   What's more in South Africa, the vassals of the Mamluks - Milwa - have marched south and occupied the Cape Colony and now the people of the colony have risen up to try and free themselves. One upside of this war at least is the destruction of colonial armies which will hampen their efforts for freedom. Of course that also means the destruction of much of the colonie's infrastructure and the death of thousands. We would be more willing to aid if they were more willing to cooperate with our colonial governors and not kick up such a fuss over some little tariffs.  At the very least our new Colonial Navy has halted the English in the Brendadines and the rich plantations of the New Mediterranean islands are safe from raids and Papal merchants can do business.  Too much business according to the colonists who chafe under the restrictive rule and rights the Brendadine Company and their GoM masters enjoy in the New World. They demand we restrict their powers and give greater power to the people who live and work on the islands - the ones responsible for generating the goods and wealth that the GoM exploit for our benefit. We tell them a war is going on and we will continue doing everything to ensure the Papacy receives all the funds it requires.  Summer, 1631. Poland and the Knights Hospitaller have left the war after repeated raids from Medina, who now push into eastern France, assisted by the protestant princes of the HRE along the way and now fighting alongside the Lowland rebellion to do as much damage to France as possible.  At the very least Cartharingian forward elements have managed to occupy Cairo but likely not for long, our armies have been mustering in Alexandria for the time being after a series of countless skirmishes along the Alexandrian coast through 1630 against Egyptian armies and peasants that rise to fight us whenever we approach their settlements.  A Maryland trade vessel, having visited New Vatican City and now bound for Pisa was lost somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic, losing untold number of crates carrying fur and tobacco. We raise tariffs on Maryland even further to make up for the loss and to punish them for their carelessness.   It is now late 1632 and the French are attempting a conceited effort to take Cairo for good and end the war. All the while English and Medinan forces cause chaos and unrest in Northern France, the colony of New France has suspended all trade to the continent and began opening independent diplomatic channels with other nations, acting as a free country in it's own right. As Medina closes in to fend off the French we quickly order what regiments await in Alexandria to relocate to Cairo and assist our ally.  The First Battle of Cairo goes in our favour.  However just two days later a second Medinan army along with the main Egypt force led by the King arrive and the Second Battle of Cairo is underway.  The walls of Cairo fall and the Papal-French forces quickly move in to the city to take up defensive positions as more and more Egyptian-Medinan forces pile in to the area.  We win the second battle- just - and are forced to scour Cairo looking for supplies, food and ammunition as the enemy surround the city.  Little over a week since our forces arrived near the city the Third Battle of Cairo unfolds. General Gilles leads the Egyptian army and they make short work of our exhausted soldiers, spilling in through the broken walls of the city and quickly surrounding our armies who surrender rather than fight a battle that has already been decided against them.   The war is over. France is spent - their northern provinces in ruin, another Lowlands rebellion successful, and much of their army held hostage in Egypt with the threat of them all being executed or sold to the slave markets lest France surrenders. New France has broken free entirely and declared themselves the Kingdom of Brazil. They make bold claims to being the rightful rulers of all of east Ayubia, and begin cooperating with Sergia to no doubt assist in their independence.   France's position in the world stage has dropped dramatically and even their ability to be called an Empire at all anymore is being called in to question.  Their opinion of the Papacy is the lowest it's been since the Sack of Cairo (ironically as we're sure this time they would have loved us to repeat it) for not doing enough to aid in the war despite the fact almost the entire Papal military was fighting in Carthage and Egypt - and repelling the surprise invasion of Austria-Croatia. They at least like us more than the Egyptians who have now created a formal alliance with the muslims and vow to wrestle control of the Mediterranean from us and the other Catholics.   War it seems will return to the Levant once more. We have made the grave error of underestimating our enemy who utilised new tacts in the war against us to great effect which we are now trying to learn and emulate, God willing we fare better next time.  But war with the Muslim once more will be hard with our people exhausted from the war and our eastern provinces very wary since the invasion - not to mention the colonies on the brink of war against us.  Pope Callistus II has passed, we are sure his successor will have the patience and pragmatism to see some kind of peaceful solution to all the problems now arising for the Papacy. 
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Oy vey, hope he at least takes some of that cruelty out on Mexico. Starting to think a 5-year Republic might be nice... I kinda agree with France though, we weren't spending as much manpower and ducats as we could have by constantly seeking out battle, hiring lots of mercenaries to mitigate the manpower loss and just getting into their guts over and over. Well, that's the past now, we may wish to distract and manipulate this new Pope towards Cruelty against the Mesoamericans! Oh, and slaughter the Trinacrians too while we're at it. Savoy, Bavaria! These states are close enough for the Pope to witness what he's done, and he can spend his touring their devestated cities and torturing prisoners of war. In secret of course, deep in the vaults of Orbatello. He could also cruelly cancel a couple useless alliances (Austria, Scotland) and use the diplo power to increase influence which would extract even more taxes. rarx fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Well this just gets better and better, doesn't it?
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Out of the frying pan and into the flames of liberty!
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Crisis Now posted:Pope Callistus II has passed, we are sure his successor will have the patience and pragmatism to see some kind of peaceful solution to all the problems now arising for the Papacy.
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sheep-dodger posted:How many generals do you have that you only get 3 points of MIL with a 2 MIL ruler? Probably has a focus on Administrative or Diplomatic, so the 2 MIL Ruler and the 2 MIL Advisor for 4 becomes 3.
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sheep-dodger posted:How many generals do you have that you only get 3 points of MIL with a 2 MIL ruler? Gotta pay for those -8- alliances somehow! (Including Austria and Scotland of course. )
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sheep-dodger posted:How many generals do you have that you only get 3 points of MIL with a 2 MIL ruler? Milan regiment - Thomas Edmund Pisa Regiment - Miltiades Honorius Ancona Regiment - Simplicus Damasus Krain Regiment - Bonifatius Sabinianus Engineer Corps - Donus Cornelius Papal Guard - Soterius Severinus Papal Fleet - Soterius Donus Colonial Navy - forgot, but there is one Every regiment needs a leader at all times so they can continue drilling and maintain top military professionalism! Jobbo_Fett posted:Probably has a focus on Administrative or Diplomatic No focuses. Just the default all game. So you see we need the advisors to make up for all the alliances and military leaders. And to keep them we just have to tax the colonies until they can't afford to eat... Sergius took all the goodness in the Papacy with him when he waltzed off in to the jungle, now we've nothing but lazy, corrupt, cruel or all of the above for Pope. Crisis Now fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 13, 2018 |
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Crisis Now posted:Sergius took all the goodness in the Papacy with him when he waltzed off in to the jungle, now we've nothing but lazy, corrupt, cruel or all of the above for Pope. Save us Pope Sergius, you're our only hope!
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Crisis Now posted:Milan regiment - Thomas Edmund Ahhh, makes sense. I was going to guess Policies, haha.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Ahhh, makes sense. I was going to guess Policies, haha. Those too! Anything to keep the Papacy at the top. For the good of all of Catholicism of course.
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Crisis the immortal pope I can get behind. Mechanical engines I can understand. But why would you stray so far into impossible alternate history to unite Oxford and Cambridge into a single institution? It really calls into question the whole narrative.
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lenoon posted:Crisis the immortal pope I can get behind. Mechanical engines I can understand. But why would you stray so far into impossible alternate history to unite Oxford and Cambridge into a single institution? It really calls into question the whole narrative. Same, except for Spanish Minnesota.
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Once we get past the string of evil popes perpetrating injustice for the sake of injustice, I think we should really lean in on granting these colonies independance, but make sure they know we are the Mother Church. They can play their little administrative games in their own fiefdoms for temporal power, but we are the light of Christendom and the Eternal estate. That way we don't get dragged down into imbroglios in the new world, but are effectively outsourcing protection for our ministries to the heathen hordes in the heartlands of Ayyubia and whatever we called North America
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Crisis Now posted:Milan regiment - Thomas Edmund Uhmmm, maybe we could relax things just a little with the 999 admin, billion leaders and 8 alliances (our poor tech  )? The next nadir of the Papal State will probably come in this reign anyway, with a pointlessly cruel Pope and all our colonies revolting. If this is a period of technological decay how about we just invest in Italian development scores? Or do something with it (like deliciously cruel cultural conversion/assimilation of unaccepted minorities), anything that has any long term value at all?rarx fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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The fifth image in the last update is repeated twice, rather than the (presumably naval one) that's supposed to be sixth.
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Ok...this could lead to problems, especially with our colonies, but, silver lining, he won't be around for very long.
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Wow, I just went through this thread over the last couple of days. I still laugh when I think back to a quainter time when the craziest thing that happened was a naked pope howling at the moon. 
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Oh yeah, it definitely got wild with The Immortal Bear Pope.
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