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Please please please Captain Pike show
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Snow Cone Capone posted:One of the new shows might be in the 26th century! There is literally no information about them other than the fact that they exist, apparently. True. I meant more that, like, Disco and Pike and S31 are all spawning from the same connected set even if they're going their own way, it would've been cool to have that interconnected parallel setup in a greenfields setting where everything was wide open.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:13
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What are the chances that one of those is going to be that WOK prequel mini-series that was floating around a while ago?
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Jan 13, 2020 18:14
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Can we please leave Khan and any echo of that story dead and buried please
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Jan 13, 2020 18:22
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I thought that project died when Nick Meyer parted ways with them back before Disco’s premiere?
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Jan 13, 2020 18:22
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Taear posted:I mean, only if they're good. Part of the problem was Vic shows up in the tail end of the series when we want to know what's going on with the founders and the war and the loving Pah Wraiths, so having the all these busy important people hanging out in the holodeck seems like a waste. The vulcan baseball episode had this problem too, it's not a bad trek episode, but coming in where it does you can't help but wonder how they have time for this poo poo. I liked the episode where PTSD Nog hides out in a holosuite for weeks. It was cool that the "vegas lounge singer program" adapted by adding an apartment where Nog could crash, and accounting trouble so Nog could puzzle over the books and solve problems. And it doesn't have the problem other holodeck episodes have because it isn't the whole senior staff slacking off, just one guy in crisis.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:26
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Which came first, EMH being allowed by Janeway to shut himself off at will, or Vic's holodeck modification allowing him to do the same? e: I'm curious since I know those shows ran parallel for a bit, and "a hologram turning itself off" was a fairly big deal in both settings, IIRC.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:36
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HD DAD posted:Can we please leave Khan and any echo of that story dead and buried please
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Jan 13, 2020 18:36
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Also as much as I hate the idea, I have to believe that at least one of the new shots will involve the Kelvin timeline in some way. I'm pretty sure some of the Picard preview descriptions mention the Destruction of Romulus in terms of both affecting Picard and also setting off the events of the Kelvin timeline.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:39
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it is not that I have no hope for the picard show... but I have hope against my better judgment
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Jan 13, 2020 18:45
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Which came first, EMH being allowed by Janeway to shut himself off at will, or Vic's holodeck modification allowing him to do the same? I'm not sure, but the fact that it happened to two holo programs independently at roughly the same time could indicate that's just where the adaptive programing tech was at the time and it was bound to happen. Moriarty becoming people was just a few years earlier. So this poo poo was probably happening all over the place and it was just lucky that most of the holograms who exceeded their programing were benign.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:45
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Facebook Aunt posted:I'm not sure, but the fact that it happened to two holo programs independently at roughly the same time could indicate that's just where the adaptive programing tech was at the time and it was bound to happen. Moriarty becoming people was just a few years earlier. So this poo poo was probably happening all over the place and it was just lucky that most of the holograms who exceeded their programing were benign. I like this idea but also am 100% sure that the real answer is "we didn't think it through"
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Jan 13, 2020 18:54
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Which came first, EMH being allowed by Janeway to shut himself off at will, or Vic's holodeck modification allowing him to do the same? According to Memory Alpha, The Doctor was given control of turning himself on and off in Eye of the Needle, season one. It aired on the same day as Profit Motive, on February 20th, 1995. So the Doctor really, really predates Vic in terms of his self-activation.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:54
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I like this idea but also am 100% sure that the real answer is "we didn't think it through" That's Startrek!
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Jan 13, 2020 19:01
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It's odd how the Doctor is amazing and Vic Fontaine is a horrible monster who murders babies.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:03
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Facebook Aunt posted:That's Startrek! tbh I think I prefer "we didn't think it through" to "here is our in-universe explanation for 'we didn't have a facial prosthetics budget on TOS'"
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Jan 13, 2020 19:04
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Rhyno posted:It's odd how the Doctor is amazing and Vic Fontaine is a horrible monster who murders babies. I mean I like both but they’re also very different characters in function and substance. One is a fully fleshed out character, the other is a guest star who either sings or provides advice. It’s like comparing Data and Guinan.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:07
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I've always fanwanked that it's not so much that the holodeck can just write a sentient programs from nothing by itself, but rather there was a manually developed humanoid intelligence framework which basically every single advanced holohuman is built on, and that program has an unfortunate tendancy to reach intelligence, more and more so as updates and improvements go out. Maybe it was even what was made and installed by the Binars in 10010101 and Minuet was the first example of a hologram based on it. And that's why the Doctor can't grow ten arms or just use forcefields to grab a tool from the other side of the room instead of barking at a nurse: his creators were constrained to the humanoid body image the framework was originally designed around, and making a new one would've been way out of scope. It's way overthinking things but it fits and I always enjoy a good fanwank. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 19:10
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean I like both but they’re also very different characters in function and substance. One is a fully fleshed out character, the other is a guest star who either sings or provides advice. It’s like comparing Data and Guinan. Guinan eats babies???????
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Jan 13, 2020 19:11
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Rhyno posted:Guinan eats babies??????? When you live as long as she does you end up eating a baby or two along the way, it’s just how that works.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:12
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean I like both but they’re also very different characters in function and substance. One is a fully fleshed out character, the other is a guest star who either sings or provides advice. It’s like comparing Data and Guinan. Vic was a way better advice-giver than Guinan. I also can't really remember any "fun" Guinan episodes except maybe Rascals. I agree with the post above about how Vic's introduction was poorly-timed in the context of the Pah Wraiths and the Dominion War - stuff like the casino heist episode would have worked a lot better against a less wartime background. But It's Only a Paper Moon was a fantastic use of both Vic and the holodeck itself.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:14
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I'm sure the real explanation for Vic is that they wanted to blow their budget on big pew pew spaceship battles and whatnot and needed to fill time I do love Vic now, but his set was hot garbage. Ugly as poo poo, even if it was a realistic historical recreation. That's part of the problem with his scenes. It's like the Wagon Train to the Stars back lot idea cranked to 11. We need to fill time. Well there's this set we built that got rejected by the Rocketeer and Indiana Jones for being total shite, maybe use that?
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Jan 13, 2020 19:19
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They actually were batting around the idea of Vic in the writer's room from season 4 - initially planned to be played by Sinatra Jr - but it took them a few years to get around to it.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:26
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Vic was a way better advice-giver than Guinan. I also can't really remember any "fun" Guinan episodes except maybe Rascals. Guinan wasn't designed as "fun," but she had a lot of moments. Her stuff in Yesterday's Enterprise and Generations immediately make her better than Vic, but they're two completely different characters, and Vic came around too late to really have too much of an impact.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:38
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The Bloop posted:I'm sure the real explanation for Vic is that they wanted to blow their budget on big pew pew spaceship battles and whatnot and needed to fill time yeah lol it wasn't just a recreation of a cheap, crappy casino. It was a cheap, crappy recreation of a cheap, crappy casino.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:40
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Taear posted:Well we do have this https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1216516436190826496?s=19 Pike show Seven of Nine show
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Jan 13, 2020 19:48
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Jeri Ryan is awesome so yeah, gimmie that.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:48
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HD DAD posted:Can we please leave Khan and any echo of that story dead and buried please Yeah, four movie adaptations is definitely enough.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:41
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I've actually never seen anything with Khan in it. Have never been able to get through TOS start to finish, certainly never watched TOS movies. Never saw the second or third JJ Treks. I'm very biased against Trek movies, I do not think the series has ever worked better in movie format, extrapolating from the one or two TNG movies I saw as a kid and how the first JJ Trek was a good movie but a bad Star Trek. Crappy captain is in love with some dude who is better than him in every way but the better guy is too proud of his superiority and some contrivance lets crappy captain beat him with gumption or something. Is that about right?
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Jan 13, 2020 23:24
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HD DAD posted:Can we please leave Khan and any echo of that story dead and buried please They've done worse than kill Khan. They've hurt him. And they intend to go on hurting him. They shall leave him as he left them: marooned for all eternity in the center of a played-out storyline. Buried aliiiiiive. Buried aliiiiiiive.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:34
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Khanstant posted:Crappy captain is in love with some dude who is better than him in every way but the better guy is too proud of his superiority and some contrivance lets crappy captain beat him with gumption or something. Is that about right? No It’s just midlife crisis in space. You need reading glasses, your kid thinks you’re square, the exciting manly rivalries of your youth have soured into maudlin loathing, your friends are starting to die, and you feel unusually attracted to the age of fighting sail
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Jan 13, 2020 23:34
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In the past two months I think a dozen different times my perfect eyes have come up and some old fogie is always there and I poo poo you not, they all seem to threaten me with the same omen. They say it in the weirdest way, a mix of pity, a desire to see me suffer as they have, nostalgia, regret, bitterness, and a desire to pop the hubris of someone having better than 20/20 vision. Apparently when I turn 40 my eyes will instantly rot to dust, forcing me to require reading glasses. Joke's on you, old men-- I've spent over 30 years perfectly honing the kind of body that will never see the ugly side of forty. I'll be rotting in hell with my perfect vision while these old bastards have to live with their decaying eyes for the rest of their lives!
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Jan 13, 2020 23:40
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Having 4 or 5 series running at once seems like a disaster waiting to happen, just by sheer internal politicking alone.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:45
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They really should have stabilized one show before putting 6 more into production. Disco still hasn’t had a full season with a single showrunner yet.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:50
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MikeJF posted:They actually were batting around the idea of Vic in the writer's room from season 4 - initially planned to be played by Sinatra Jr - but it took them a few years to get around to it. I've kinda come to hate reading backstage stuff, like when I learned that they killed Opaka just because they wanted someone vaguely important to die. They just 100% don't care about the implications for the overall story and a lot of how good DS9 is comes down to luck.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:51
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There's a finite number of good Trek plot threads to explore at any given time. We already saw with DS9/Voyager co-existing that the likely outcome is one show gets funneled the best concepts and the other has to make do with whatever random scraps are left. Not to mention, there has never even been a glancing mention of ever making a series that was straight up TNG-era diplomacy hotel with nacelles. Like, they've been dancing as hard as they could around ever just making a show about a ship's captain and the adventures of their crew. AFAIK that's the only thing any Trek viewer has ever asked for or wanted and is eager to buy but CBS be like "what did you say? nevermind that, now time for something completely different!" followed by "wait, what were they saying, I really didn't hear. 'add Spock?' okay, we got you, fam!" Taear posted:I've kinda come to hate reading backstage stuff, like when I learned that they killed Opaka just because they wanted someone vaguely important to die. Wow, so we could've avoided a couple seasons of Kai Dolores Umbridge if they didn't just play russian roulette with character's lives for kicks?
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Jan 13, 2020 23:53
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What's with the Kai Wynn hate? Her veiled insults were magnificent and she was an excellent character to hate.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:57
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Khanstant posted:
Wynn is the best thing to happen to DS9 and it was effectively random. It's all random, no planning ahead. And yea I know most TV works that way but still.
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Jan 13, 2020 23:58
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She was a fantastic villain but the best villains make me hate them even existing even though their absence would be a loss.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Pike show Jett Reno: The Adventure Continues
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