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Falstaff posted:Yeah, assuming I read them correctly, the difference Ytlaya was pointing out is between achieving M4A and saying "There, we're done!" and achieving M4A and saying, "Great, but we've got a lot more work to do." Basically, yeah. I get the impression that Sanders is committed to his particular ideology to the extent that he would keep pushing the Overton window further to the left as long as injustice continued to exist. With some other Democrats who support stuff like M4A, I get the impression they just view it as a solution to the specific problem of healthcare access/affordability, rather than part of a greater push for equality and economic/social justice. I don't really know if Sanders is actually in favor of stuff like democratized workplaces, etc. It's sorta hard to find out, since there wouldn't be much of a reason* to openly push for that kind of thing before making stuff as simple as UHC more palatable. At the very least, I don't think he's really against it, and he would probably be open to supporting it if he thought it would help people (as opposed to other left-leaning Democrats, who I feel would draw the line long before something that dramatically restructured society to that extent). Obviously there's no way to really prove this stuff; I'm just basing this mostly off Sanders' history and the sort of ideology he's advocated and when he's advocated it. It's possible that another politician might also prove to be reliable towards pursuing such goals, but I just find it a lot easier to trust Sanders in that role. *I guess this is actually kinda debatable, but at the very least I can understand why someone would wait before arguing for something like that
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Sanders is a Social Democrat who didn't want the term he used to define himself to end in "democrat" so he flipped them. It was a good strategy, and even though his brand of socialism has very little to do with workplace ownership, it's a step up for the previous working American definition of socialism, "literally communism/Stalinism".
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All trump has to do is pummel his demo opponent i to sayong something horifically offensive and disqualifying themselves. warren would go down rapidly against Trump.
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yeah all trump has to do is pull on warren's hair and she will say something antisemitic, i guess
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Oxxidation posted:This is a weirdly specific thing to deny. I didn't know what metrics for "well-off" we were using. I'm definitely not rich; my income's in the five-figures range. Nevvy Z posted:I think he was just saying "my ancestors weren't rich" Some of them were, but the dumbasses blew it all. 
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stone cold posted:duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth Is unacceptable because she doesn't stand with Bernie on Medicare for All.
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Calibanibal posted:not sure if duckworth is running but i think if we hold her feet to the fire we can get her to march left and stand up for real progress phrasing also duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth duckworth
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Calibanibal posted:not sure if duckworth is running but i think if we hold her feet to the fire we can get her to march left and stand up for real progress  I'm not writing her off as of yet, although I'm annoyed that she's not getting onboard already, because honestly what the gently caress.e: hahaha, I initially said "jumping onboard" because holy poo poo I'm tired. Majorian fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 30, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:she's not jumping onboard already, Dude
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VitalSigns posted:Dude Wow, that's some "PHRASING!" on my part. 
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Let's all give Tammy Duckworth a helping hand. She'll never be the head of a major corporation though.
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Calibanibal posted:not sure if duckworth is running but i think if we hold her feet to the fire we can get her to march left and stand up for real progress just wanna let you know i got this post 
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Calibanibal posted:not sure if duckworth is running but i think if we hold her feet to the fire we can get her to march left and stand up for real progress i don't want to shoot down her chances, but seems like a sufficiently motivated insurgent could cause her candidacy to crash
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The Muppets On PCP posted:i don't want to shoot down her chances, but seems like a sufficiently motivated insurgent could cause her candidacy to crash The political landscape is tilting left. She's bound to roll our way eventually.
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In 2067, right before the nukes launched from Russia in the Climate War detonate, a frazzled old goon utters his last words: "Bernie would have won."
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steinrokkan posted:The only conflict is whether what is being floated as democratic socialism in real world (i.e. Bernie Sanders) is socialism in anything but name. It seems to be obviously not the case, but eh, who cares. Bernie isn't quite there, no. But across the pond there's a certain Absolute Boy and his lot.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw Why does bernie not having an elitist past piss certain types of liberals off so much? Do these liberals actually despise people who don't live absolutely perfect lives?
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I mean, I would think that the ultimate goal of the kinds of aid programs bernie lived off of was to make sure that we don't doom people to poor lives and inability to contribute to society just because they're not currently ideal members of society I would think that the fact that a deadbeat drifter could end up becoming one of the most liked politicians in the US and advance causes like singlepayer should be a point in favor of the systems that let him become an outstanding american citizen
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R. Guyovich posted:tammy duckworth has NOT entered the thunderdome. because you won't build her a ramp you swine
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Condiv posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw Because the Democratic party is the party of the professional. It's less anti-intellectual, but in some ways more prone to shallow credentialism.
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Lote posted:Michelle Obama would be the best VP. No real responsibility. No pressure. You get to push your pet causes with relative impunity. She doesn't have to put up with anyone's crap because she's the VP. What are you going to do? Impeach? Lol Hmm idk if the person who did nothing to curb her husbands crimes is great
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Condiv posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw That thread at the top is sure something, especially when she lists off "purity tests" in the middle of a list desperately trying to disqualify a guy who's not that radical in the grand scheme of things.
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Condiv posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw "Not an elitist past" is kind of a weird thing to say about the guy who attended college at Chicago. But whatever.
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R. Guyovich posted:tammy duckworth has NOT entered the thunderdome. she's entered the thunderdome of the American dream p r e s i d e n t d u c k w o r t h
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Ogmius815 posted:"Not an elitist past" is kind of a weird thing to say about the guy who attended college at Chicago. But whatever. not elite enough, since he was a drifter for a period (which apparently is very bad)
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Condiv posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw I'm honestly flummoxed by petty and vindictive anti-Sanders poo poo like this. I'm not trying to lure anybody into a dogpile or anything, but do any Clinton supporters here think this is fair? Since the election (and really, since the end of the primary), Sanders has been nothing but constructive in how he's interacted with the Democratic Party. He's not the one relitigating 2016.
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Majorian posted:I'm honestly flummoxed by petty and vindictive anti-Sanders poo poo like this. I'm not trying to lure anybody into a dogpile or anything, but do any Clinton supporters here think this is fair? Since the election (and really, since the end of the primary), Sanders has been nothing but constructive in how he's interacted with the Democratic Party. He's not the one relitigating 2016. Clinton supporter in the general. These people are pettty, stupid, and wrong. I feel like people like they do not represent the majority of supporters, but they get a majority of the attention. I think that this is a larger problem in general, but this is a good example. There is a toxic group out there that really just wants to be loud and lovely to people they see as the problem. They infect all discourse and I don't know how to break through the noise to get to the place we need to be.
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Sylink posted:Hmm idk if the person who did nothing to curb her husbands crimes is great True. A wife does bear some responsibility if their husband commits crimes like genocide, embezzlement, perjury, and obstruction of justice ... wait did that go too far?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Clinton supporter in the general. this 8 percenter stuff is the dying remnants of the clinton cult and should just be ignored hillary herself's gone into full-on pailn grift mode at this point and they''ll spend the rest of their days making GBS threads up twitter and writing salon thinkpieces at each other
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also it should be pointed out every time someone posts some stupid poo poo from sally albright- she's a republican campaign staffer who worked for newt gingrich and haley barbour
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bernie spiders quote:
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The Muppets On PCP posted:also it should be pointed out every time someone posts some stupid poo poo from sally albright- she's a republican campaign staffer who worked for newt gingrich and haley barbour Oh, but she's so much more than that, my friend. She is execrable on all levels. (and also, apparently a "rock and roll girl")
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This gives me hope that I, a fat neckbearded goon, can walk into the local political arena, say "hey everybody I'm socialist", and have a decent shot at winning.
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Condiv posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/grandoftwo/status/913628551043325952?ref_src=tw On at least some level yes. There's a pretty large (and bipartisan!) subset of miserable loving people in this country who absolutely must poo poo on anybody who does anything vaguely interesting in a desperate attempt to justify their own boring suburban existence. Majorian posted:I'm honestly flummoxed by petty and vindictive anti-Sanders poo poo like this. I'm not trying to lure anybody into a dogpile or anything, but do any Clinton supporters here think this is fair? Since the election (and really, since the end of the primary), Sanders has been nothing but constructive in how he's interacted with the Democratic Party. He's not the one relitigating 2016. 
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