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yronic heroism posted:Democratic appointed justices do combat racial inequality you dingus. So did the Obama DOJ. But lol there is no difference between parties because a neckbeard podcast said so. Sorry, this is a few pages back but black households lost half their wealth in the crash of 2008 and the Obama DOJ let the guys who did it walk away without punishment. Bummer.
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yronic heroism posted:Sorry they focused on voting rights and stuff like that rather than seeking a handful of criminal convictions they probably wouldn't get and the Republican Supreme Court would definitely overturn. And sorry black voters didn't immediately make your talking point their top issue in 2012. Ah yes, his awesome focus on voting rights, that lead to....*squints at paper*...the Supreme Court cutting the legs off the VRA and the GOP trampling him to get their extremist judge onto the bench??!?!??! That's not right, why would you foolishly focus on something that Obama utterly botched and the Republican Supreme Court actually did overturn as a counter-example?
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Oct 6, 2017 23:18
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Biden is also the student loans bankruptcy guy, so he'll never make it out of the 2020 primary.
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yronic heroism posted:What was clear is that there are a ton of actual journalists out there. Sorry two of them didn't return her calls. I'm sure some cursory research would say "talk to Glenn Greenwald or Seymour Hersh before some internet rando if you absolutely are looking at a massive indiscriminate data dump." I do not think that is some pie in the sky standard. In 2010, Glenn Greenwald was a guy who had written opinion columns at Salon for 3 years. Seymour Hersh's credibility had also taken a major hit and he had botched a 2007 report on Middle East terrorist funding. Not good examples.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:10
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Majorian posted:And Greenwald turned out to be every bit as terrible about redacting information as Assange. Please elaborate.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:15
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yronic heroism posted:Yet clearly better than the equivalent of posting everything on 4chan and hoping for the best. Absolutely, sending it to a guy who was in the hotseat for fraudulent story or sending it to a guy who was a brain-dead tech illiterate (as Greenwald admits in "No Place To Hide") would be better than dropping it on a publicly-available comedy internet message board (something that Manning didn't do). Very astute.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:19
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yronic heroism posted:You do know what a wiki is, right? Something any neckbeard shitlord participates in, usually anonymously? You know that Manning's leak literally made them change how the site worked, right? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/05/wikileaks-assange-returns/ “There is no wiki in WikiLeaks.org.” Your reputation is well-earned.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:26
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Majorian posted:If memory serves, there was a lot of information that Greenwald passed from Snowden to the New York Times that probably should have had some of the names and specifics redacted. Greenwald blamed it on the Times, but he probably should have known better. It's fine. Your misremembering. Greenwald was not the Keeper of the Leak and copies were sent directly to other media orgs for use without his approval.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:31
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Unless you've read No Place to Hide it's all pretty murky. A great example of our media spending hours and hours putting on generals and lanyard dicks calling Snowden a traitor and a Chinese/Russian mole and not enough time explaining how they actually, you know, got the information, sorted, and vetted it.
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Oct 19, 2017 22:38
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What is happening here is that a small handful of imperial bootlickers are trying to deflect from the fact that a very brave person felt morally sickened by what she saw happening and decided to attempt to inform the public, which by and large agreed that it was sick, vile conduct unbecoming of the United States. This brave person was then put into a cell and tortured for over half a decade by a supposedly very liberal president. Since there was no real harm caused from this leak(http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/338621-no-real-harm-caused-by-chelsea-manning-leaks-report) and no real way to defend it morally, they instead play endless "what if?" games, question motives to degenerate the messenger, and muddy up the water with distortions. Don't fall for it.
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Oct 20, 2017 00:37
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Pages and pages of "well I agree with the principle of the thing but you idiot degenerates are doing it wrong!" was an old hat on the newsgroups, 25 years ago.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:03
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Kaal posted:Leftism: We're defined as being self-hating liberals. This is a totally new and different idea than all the other "reinventions" of American liberal politics, trust me. Ah, and that ole lib standby: you're fooling yourself if you think the world can be any better, petulant child. It's honestly a sickness.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:10
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You should absolutely get mad about our lovely politics and politicians, just don't get Jimmy Dore "my anger is melting holes in my brain" mad.
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Oct 24, 2017 20:57
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While I don't want to make too much out of it, it seems like Clinton's stranglehold on the party is finally loosening. Or maybe Donna Brazille is mad that she was left out of the acknowledgements of What Happened. Heh.
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Nov 2, 2017 23:32
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Democrats are now up 54% favorable on George W Bush. https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/955199807257268224 There's no hope, folks.
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Jan 22, 2018 18:21
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Well that makes me feel a little better but not by much.
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Jan 22, 2018 18:49
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I keep thinking about how the percentage of Democrats that think that Chelsea Manning is a traitor and the percentage of Democrats that think black people are intrinsically lazy (i.e. they are racist) are roughly similar. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/ https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/17/15638368/chelsea-manning-release-prison-wikileaks My personal feeling - and there's no studies to support this - is that about 1/3rd of our current active voting Dem coalition is essentially white right-wingers who can tolerate gays and respect decorum. And they've seized control of the party's political apparatus. Until we confront that there's no way that we can build political power. We need to bring in people to dilute them, then force them out. Edit: also Feinstein, one of the absolute worst of the Democrats, is going to cruise to re-election. The bluest state is going to re-elect a neo-con who is ok with gay marriage by a gigantic margin. There's literally no hope. (my nihilistic outlook is why I'm posting in Thunderdome...these are more laments than outlets for discussion) Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 22:03
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It's been my experience that dupes don't mind doing what they're duped into.
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Jan 22, 2018 22:25
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Crowsbeak posted:I think we got a chance, but yes the centrists will have to be made to fear. They need to be actively bullied in public, so they either leave the party or else get in the back of the line. They're not going to fear us unless we literally start hurting/killing them (and to make it clear: we shouldn't) and they don't care about being bullied. HRC lost to a racist cheeto and their response was to quintiple down on the loyalty oaths. Nothing will make them fear us.
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Jan 22, 2018 23:00
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If you think we should actually beat/shoot/otherwise murder congresspeople when the GOP is in power and the country is so nakedly authoritarian, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Edit: ok I agree with your clarification, but ultimately it's not gonna work because they hold their base in contempt.
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Jan 22, 2018 23:07
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Ok, I will. Good luck everyone.
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Jan 22, 2018 23:09
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Today in "there is no hope": the entire Dem election apparatus is a huge grift designed to pay consultants. https://theintercept.com/2018/01/23/dccc-democratic-primaries-congress-progressives/
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Ganson posted:90% of all political, government, and business expenses are a huge grift designed to pay consultants. No they aren't. I've worked directly for billionaires and you have no loving idea what you are talking about. Edit: For reference, I've been responsible for a 7 figure departmental budget. 90% of it didn't go to consultants. Edit: This is honestly one of the dumbest replies to anything I've written. It's not factual, it's not analysis or perspective, it's just some dumb urge you had to smugly say "uh that's the way the world works...I'm a savvy poster who's figured it out and I'm not surprised by anything" or to excuse the Dem's absolute grift. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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The Muppets On PCP posted:good on you. don't let anyone shame you for being a rentboy I should be shamed. I'm ashamed of that part of my life, and I was definitely punished for it by the people I worked for. But it did teach me some valuable stuff about how the rich operate. (I went in a center-right guy and came out a moderate left guy, if that tells you anything). Edit: and it was a dumb way to phrase it and a dumb thing to say but the intention was to note that I've worked at the highest levels of multi-national business with the decision makers and saying that 90% of it is consultant grift is colossally dumb. But I got reflexively angry and how I phrased it was also dumb, two wrongs don't make a right and I hurt my own argument, etc. etc. etc. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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HRC has been doing everything a person who is running in 2020 would do, though.
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I don't care if she runs or not, I'm just saying...she's giving all the indications that she's running.
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SaTaMaS posted:It's not horseshoe theory, because that implies equal intellectual standing. It's that bernouts mindlessly parrot Fox News and got duped by anti-Clinton Russian propaganda. Please cite one specific piece of Russian propaganda that you think duped "bernouts". Reminder: In Jan 2017, 52% of Dems believed that Russia directly tampered with vote tallies, a 100% verifiable conspiracy theory.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Why do the clintons have to keep stealing from the till They steal from anything. BTW I still have not seen specific incidences of Russian propoganda that hoodwinked "bernouts" (lol). The sole example has been the release of DNC emails, which were 100% genuine and accurately confirmed everything that the "bernouts" (lol) were complaining about at the time. So, to recap: as near as I can tell the argument is that the Russians allowed "bernouts" (lol) to see that their complaints were justified, and this is why Hillary lost.
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SaTaMaS posted:There is no doubt that people in the DNC had their personal preferences for the nominee, and it's unreasonable to expect them not to. So now we've gone to "it's actually good that the DNC went against their stated purpose and used their institutional powers to push a preferred Dem candidate, you are all being unreasonable." Let's recap: we're all dumb "bernouts" (lol) who were duped by Russian propaganda. When pressed, we've been told that the "propaganda" was the leaking of the 100% genuine and accurate DNC emails, which revealed that the DNC was using their institutional power and influence - in direct violation of their charter - to push Hillary Rodham Clinton. We're now being informed that this was a perfectly reasonable thing to expect out of the DNC - despite the fact that their charter specifically forbids it. The next stop on this crazy train, btw, is that "Bernie is not a real Democrat so he should expect the support of the DNC" and if you press this point - if you ask which of Bernie's positions are antithetical to Democratic party values - you'll get silence. Well, we've completed a lap in Centrist Hellworld Of Losing Elections And Not Taking Responsibility For It. Please remain seated until the Dem's advantage over the GOP evaporates and we're all plunged into a catastrophic fascist drought-ridden unstable hellworld.
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Please explain, using specific language, exactly what the Russians "rigged". You won't. Because beyond airing the DNC emails - to an audience that broke 90% for Clinton, better than Clinton voters did for Obama in 2008 without any 'Russian intervention' - you have presented nothing.
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Things we know the Russians didn't do: Force Clinton to run a campaign based mostly around her awful, off-putting personality Manage to be completely incompetent at almost every aspect of campaigning and prize loyalty more than skill. Back the loving disastrous, hated TPP for most of her campaign Receive bribes in the form of six-figure speech dollars from Wall Street bloodsuckers that people in general, and Dems in particular, loving despise Run her poo poo on a private email server which allowed James Comey to remind Republicans that they hated her guts and to show up to beat her Clinton was the second most unpopular presidential candidate in history behind Trump before the Russians lifted a finger. So yeah maybe those DNC emails were the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe. But the rest of that heavy baggage was put there by a monumental poo poo candidate, a grotesque parody of ambition, hubris, and greed who couldn't stop feeding at the corrupt money trough of DC even though she knew she was going back to the national stage for another shot at the title. The only moron who could lose to Donald Trump, frankly. edit: https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/791263939015376902?lang=en lol Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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Whoever is in power during the next recession - which is probably going to be a full blown horrific depression and massively turbo-gently caress the USA in a bunch of very visible, life-changing ways - has a decent chance of being thrown out of power for 30 years. This is literally the only thing that keeps me going, that the economic and political misery of today will avert catastrophe in the future, and that HRC being in office during the meltdown (and her undoubtedly stupid response to it) might have destroyed the credibility of the Democratic party for a generation.
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If you liked Hillary then your political instincts are poo poo and your morality is poo poo. That's fine - my best friend, who I love dearly, is a Hillary fan - but he's a loving political dumbass who owns the entire West Wing box set and watches it in full every year, and he loved those "America is still great" hats.
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The DCCC tells Dems: don't talk about healthcare, but if you have to do it...DON'T talk about Single Payer!!!! https://theintercept.com/2018/02/27/dccc-internal-polling-congress-single-payer/
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Ah, the premise of "compromising your moral position and abandoning your base to 'win elections'", let's see how that's worked over the last 40 years....wait a minute!!!!
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Steroids have self awareness and plead with you not to inject them, and then you do it anyway. It's like that.
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Harik posted:It's so much more fun to dunk on someone when you don't have to read what they actually said. Sorry to spoil that for you. Republicans will never turn their backs on gun nuts, on cops beating the poo poo out of minorities, on imperial aggression and military glorification because it's part of their worldview. They are loyal to their constituent's moral universe, that's why they're currently kicking the ever-loving poo poo out of the spineless Dems while morally vacuous dumbfucks like you apologize for it. Edit: Removed a badly phrased sentence that would take a paragraph to explain. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Harik posted:I'm sorry none of you have come to terms with the fact that this is a nation of horrible people who do horrible things, but if you want to change that don't try to pretend there's some innate good you can appeal to. So again we see the black core of nihilism at the heart of a centrist.
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Harik posted:When harboring sexual offenders doesn't benefit the team you won't see people defending them anymore. Like, for instance, if a political party were to be wiped out at the federal level, lose all 3 branches of government and the vast majority of the states...wait a minute!!!!
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Harik posted:Yeah, running an election campaign on "when you're rich like me you can do anything you want. gently caress pornstars, gently caress other men's wives, walk in on naked teenagers. It's great" really hurt the GOP. I'm glad you pointed that out, it's a killing blow to my argument that the deck is firmly stacked in one direction. It didn't hurt the GOP because the base honestly believe that those things are ok. They are markers of power, which the Right worships. The average Dem voter is not ok with women being harassed (note: around 17% of Dems don't care about it, according to latest polls). You know what would hurt a GOP pol? Saying that some unarmed black guy didn't deserve to be murdered by cops. This is plainly obvious - that different moral sins are processed differently by each party's base - yet you seem unable to grasp it.
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