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If the Democrats don't get their poo poo together and embrace socialism they're going to fully clear the way for full-on fascism of the unironic Nazi variety, just in time for climate change to wipe out human civilization on the planet Earth. And I'll be glad for it, because I'd rather be murdered by Nazis than have Hillary Clinton's smug loving face at another book signing talking about how all this poo poo is my fault.
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The Glumslinger posted:(Yes, I'm aware that Biden has huge popularity because lots of people think Onion Joe Biden is real, I just thought this was funny)
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Sep 28, 2017 19:32
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Trabisnikof posted:I think you underestimate how willing people are to believe bullshit they want to hear. Like seriously this is exactly what happened with Clinton why do you think it will be any different next time?
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Sep 28, 2017 19:46
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Condiv posted:not yet there aren't  I'm not sure who that's supposed to be?
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Sep 28, 2017 21:17
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SulphagneSocialist posted:This is me officially getting on the gently caress Joe Biden train. Bottom floor baby. He's Hillary Clinton with worse positions but he's a creepy white dude who loves to mack on women in public, so him winning would reaffirm everything we think is terrible about America. Maybe you can only imagine it, but it's at least imaginable.
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Sep 29, 2017 08:10
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Freakazoid_ posted:doesn't she support payday loans or some poo poo? http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warren-wasserman-schultz-clash-over-payday-lenders as one example.
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Sep 29, 2017 08:13
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What the gently caress kind of brain damage is it where people constantly attribute the opposite of a thing to a person and is there some virus we can engineer to neutralize this in the human population? Maybe democracy isn't such a great idea after all.
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Sep 29, 2017 08:15
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yronic heroism posted:"Democratic socialism" isn't actually socialism though. It's just using the word. It really just seems to mean expanded welfare state to include college/health care. The Bernie platforn doesn't really represent much of an ideological schism outside of trade. And I suspect trade deals would still get done with Bernie too.
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Sep 29, 2017 19:51
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yronic heroism posted:What policy has Sanders proposed to establish employee ownership?
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Sep 29, 2017 21:11
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steinrokkan posted:Those two categories can not coexist. Democratic socialism merely tries to impose a limit on arbitrary decision making by property owners, it gives employees no positive control.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:13
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I mean I'm not going to post the Wikipedia link, but perhaps some of you need to Google a bit or something before running your idiot mouths?Freakazoid_ posted:i don't think you know what thread you're in 
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Sep 29, 2017 21:15
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yronic heroism posted:The whole point of this thread was discussing specific political figures and Ytlaya contends Sanders is a socialist. So the conversation is about pressing for an example of this supposed socialism. Whether some theoretical "democratic socialism" is socialist doesn't answer whether the ideology as defined/proposed by Bernie Sanders is. Maybe not as fascinating as picking apart comments divorced from their context, but oh well.
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Sep 29, 2017 21:44
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steinrokkan posted:Private property and worker democracy. Are you looking at this from some Randian perspective or something where any imposition on a company (like forcing worker representation on a board or something) is viewed as "theft" and therefore is equivalent to the abolition of private property? Because if so I have some bad news for you about the current regulatory regime...
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Sep 29, 2017 22:24
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steinrokkan posted:What the gently caress My reaction is based on your apparent assertion that workplace democracy precludes private property. That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Sep 29, 2017 23:05
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Freakazoid_ posted:This gives me hope that I, a fat neckbearded goon, can walk into the local political arena, say "hey everybody I'm socialist", and have a decent shot at winning.
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Oct 1, 2017 07:25
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yronic heroism posted:"I'm just saying there was good growth and popular programs like the autobahn back then. Why bring up the other stuff? That wasn't covered in my book on German politics." this is the thread winner for most stupid goddamn post in TDOME up to this point, though I'm sure you'll outdo yourself eventually
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Oct 2, 2017 19:41
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"hey maybe the democrats should run on a platform of making the economy not be a loving grind for 99.9% of the population" yronic heroism "oh you mean like hitler"  seriously dude go look at yourself in the mirror and then punch yourself in the face, hard
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Oct 2, 2017 19:43
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it's the qr code that really nails it, though
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Oct 4, 2017 05:06
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JeffersonClay posted:Offensive acts can be motivated by a desire to defend the status quo.
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Oct 4, 2017 16:08
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Majorian posted:And black voters, particularly women, seem to be holding the party accountable. It's good that Tom Perez is acknowledging that the Dems can't take black women for granted, but I hope he actually listens to them, instead of just paying them lip service. I think he'll find that black voters and left-populists of all races have a lot of goals in common. quote:Speaking to reporters, Jackson Lee attributed the decline in support to younger voters. “Every generation has a different way of looking at life,” she said. Today’s young people came of age under President Barack Obama when “all was well,” so now the Democratic Party needs to “talk values” particularly to younger black women. Jackson Lee insisted she’s “not daunted at all” by the drop off in support, but had a clear message for her party. “Democrats do well to listen to the standard-bearers of the party,” she said. “We need to shine our armor. We need to buff up our teapot.”
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Oct 7, 2017 00:54
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I get that there is no good faith between the Democratic party and the left, but there are good people trying to mend that, and it doesn't get much attention. DSA is something that appeals to many people you would call centrists, and we can hopefully agree that there are really positive developments on that front. Hopefully people like you and I can come together to make the changes we want to see a reality. That's the electorate, though. If you're talking about the leadership of the Democratic party I think you're just completely wrong. They're enemies to be defeated - nothing more. As far as the left is concerned they take turns pretending it doesn't exist, mocking it, undermining it, and when all else fails trying to take credit for its accomplishments. The Democratic leadership is no more a friend to the left than the board of directors of Breitbart News.
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iirc this started (over a week ago) when yronic heroism claimed that the democratic base used to be southern racists (correct but not controversial) and that all the losing democratic presidential candidates since then have been super leftist (lol no) I'm not sure what point he was trying to make and probably he doesn't know either, but that's how it started - calling that out for the idiocy that it is doesn't strike me as trying to rehabilitate LBJ but maybe I missed some posts
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Oct 7, 2017 20:43
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point being, yronic heroism is such a terrible poster that he can inspire a weeks worth of bad posts in the bad post thread, makes u think
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Oct 7, 2017 20:43
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turtle_07 posted:I miss the old Dems are a waste thread. More dems being a waste, less semantic arguments where JC awards himself points for being technically correct.
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Oct 10, 2017 00:21
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Helsing posted:Are you trying to imply there's some necessary link between support for redistributive policies at home and imperialism abroad? If so go ahead and make that argument. It seems pretty clear that nobody who was calling for a return to Great Society style liberalism was actually cheering for a Johnson-style foreign policy, so unless you want to argue that the Great Society somehow necessitated the Vietnam War then I don't really get why you would want to keep returning to this. JeffersonClay posted:Vietnam was a pragmatic calculation that it would look good to be tough on communism which would help when passing great society programs by defusing accusations of socialism!. So when people say democrats should just copy Johnson to get real popular again, Vietnam is actually quite relevant. Johnson was threading a needle by attacking both unrestrained capitalism with minimal government and revolutionary socialism. when Ronald Reagan put out records saying Medicare would lead to a socialist dictatorship Johnson could respond he was bombing the poo poo out of revolutionary socialists and Medicare was just about taking care of grandma.
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Oct 13, 2017 22:23
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JeffersonClay posted:I dunno maybe he doesn't derive the same odd pleasure from flaunting a reading comprehension deficit that you do? those are your words, quoted back to you, you weaselly gently caress
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Oct 14, 2017 01:33
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes and a historical link, as obviously existed, doesn't imply one cannot exist without the other today, you tragic simpleton.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:39
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On the other hand you're already universally hated on these forums so there's really no need to continue to enable your bullshit. Ta-ta.
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Oct 14, 2017 01:41
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Not wrong.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:34
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JeffersonClay posted:If someone sat around posting about FDR being a slaver all the time, but refused to talk about republicans who promote prison slavery, I'd think hmm, maybe that person is just using prison slavery as a cudgel.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:35
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I think the person who posted the Kristallnacht thing changed it and said he meant to refer to the Rohm Putsch / Night of the Long Knives, but hosed it up. Pretty egregious mistake to make of course. Not to mention, even saying we need to Rohm-Putsch the DNC is in really poor taste as well.
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Oct 17, 2017 21:01
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yronic heroism posted:People advocating for a "krystallnacht" are by definition Nazis? Why is that controversial? The Kristallnacht poster is not actually a Nazi if you were reading the posts. He's just an unrelatable poo poo poster who should take a long break from the internet.
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Oct 18, 2017 00:48
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yronic heroism posted:I see... "It was just locker room Nazism"
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Oct 18, 2017 01:36
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yronic heroism posted:It's an apt analogy... both are claiming the behavior is inappropriate but NBD.
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Oct 18, 2017 01:50
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yronic heroism posted:Why are you justifying people using Nazi symbols/concepts then? You see I have to be more careful than you about who I label a Nazi or a fascist, and who I don't, because those are things I actually want to put a permanent stop to by any means necessary. Liberals such as yourself who are comfortable with fascism don't have this problem, hence the second sentence of my post you quoted.
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Oct 18, 2017 02:04
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Like when GWB compared the WoT to the Crusades people said it was a stupid and needlessly inflammatory analogy and he shouldn't have done it, but as far as I know nobody suggested he was literally answering a call by the Pope to take back the Holy Land for Christendom by force.
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Oct 18, 2017 02:07
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yronic I was going to continue but in all honestly I think you are just too dumb to have a productive conversation with I'm exasperated - try learning what words mean tia
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Oct 18, 2017 02:11
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yronic heroism posted:Kilroy (who has wished death on other posters)
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Oct 18, 2017 22:02
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yronic heroism: wrong on the facts, wrong about Nazis, wrong for USPOL THUNDERDOME
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it was a bad post and I deserved the ban but it was not wishing death on a poster or threatening them but it was close - too close it's so weird though that you harp on that every chance you get, while there are other posters here who have repeatedly done worse and you don't have anything to say about it like I don't see you bringing up fulchrum's much more explicit death threats toward me, every time he posts, for example so weird
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