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Is it alright to post this here: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/amp/poll-democrats-can-t-take-millennial-vote-granted-n804836 quote:Just 43 percent of millennials have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, and only a slight majority (53 percent) said the party cares about people like them.
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I'm a black leftist and I've been called a Bernie bro and a Russian bot a lot by centrists. It happens to a lot of black leftists
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Oct 5, 2017 18:07
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Nevvy Z posted:Yeah people shouldn't do that. But the only person accusing a person of not being black is that black lady at the end. But then you have lily white Lisa Talmadge tell a black person that they need to make a black friend to understand blackness. And it's not just black people saying black twister accounts are bots, it runs the gamut.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:15
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Yeah, just because a black person is erasing my race or calling me a bot doesn't make it better.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:23
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Nevvy Z posted:I read her piece, I still don't care that you found an example of two people on the internet being a bit overbroad in their word choice when discussing an actual fake bernie supporter and I wouldn't call that erasure of people of color. Maybe a woman of color disagrees with me about that. Maybe she's right. You certainly aren't very persuasive about it though. This happens to actual PoC leftists all of the time. I was called a Russian bot and double bro whatever that means. Most of us aren't fake but people keep calling us bots or Bros or just outright ignore us.
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Oct 5, 2017 18:58
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I will vote for Koalas March if her campaign speeches are only in gif form
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Dec 15, 2017 18:45
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Telling people to vote for the lesser evil will just depress the vote and result in a lower turnout. I don’t want to my vote to go to someone who wants to hurt me slower than the other guy. I want progress. I bet a lot of other people feel that way.
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Jun 13, 2018 16:18
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Jaxyon posted:Everybody wants progress. They disagree on how to get there. And I’m not joking about the border wall thing. Manchin literally said it. Why should we vote for someone like that?
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Jun 13, 2018 18:24
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Jaxyon posted:No, liberals don't love Manchin. Many hate him and want him primaried. Most feel he's a necessarily evil because he's the only Democrat that can currently win that seat in WV. Manchin is proud to have voted for the border wall. He’s not a full on Nazi, but he is explicitly helping white supremacy. Jaxyon posted:Black folks who have a choice between two racists often stay home. But black folks who have the choice between a lovely Democrat and an openly racist gently caress generally go out and vote hard for the lesser evil. Because they will be directly get hosed by the racist. Black person here. A lot of us are frustrated with Democrats because despite us voting for them again and again, they barely do anything to help us. How many are trying to legalize weed and expunge records for those who got caught with weed? How many are trying to end the war on drugs? There’s a bit now, but when they were in power, they didn’t try to do poo poo. That said, we recognize the difference between systemic racism that perpetuates white supremacy and advocates of white supremacy. Dems aren’t trying to dismantle the former in any meaningful way.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:55
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Jaxyon posted:Yes, he's poo poo, I know he's poo poo. We’ve been trying to change Democrats, but it’s hard to be listened to when the party knows we can’t go anywhere else. We’ve been hampered by people saying that we must vote for the lesser evil. We get browbeaten to vote Dem every time because who the gently caress else are we going to vote for? Honestly, blaming apathetic voters is condescending. The Democrats are letting the GOP win by not being substantially better. The Dems in power now know what they need to do, they just don’t want to do it. They’re not dumb, they’re cowardly and corrupt. Voting again and again for cowardly and corrupt Dems isn’t helping. EDIT: If you know Manchin is poo poo, don’t defend him. Let’s stop protecting lovely people simply because they are Democrats.
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Jun 13, 2018 20:13
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Jaxyon posted:I'm not blaming apathetic voters. I'm saying I understand why people are apathetic. I already said that I agree that having 2 poo poo candidates drive voting down long term. quote:When did I defend him? Explaining why people react a certain way isn't defending him.
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Jun 13, 2018 20:45
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah because arguing who's the better friend of the self-identified black poster isn't condescending. quote:I said he's the lesser evil, and that he's probably the only Dem that can get elected in WV right now. Swearingen was 100% a better person but she's not on the ballot.
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Jun 13, 2018 21:28
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What does this have to do with black turnout?
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Jun 13, 2018 23:04
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Jaxyon posted:Black people voted for Clinton more than any other group. A lot of black people don't like Clinton for calling black kids super predators Jaxyon posted:I wouldn't consider Jones a great candidate, but he was the lesser evil compared to a massive racist pedo. So what was the turnout for Jones?
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Jun 13, 2018 23:23
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Jaxyon posted:I've actually run into a decent amount of black men who voted Trump. It throws me every time I encounter it, but it happens. People aren't a hive mind. Jaxyon posted:Substantially above expectations. They were expecting about 25% and it was near 40%. What was the turnout historically?
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Jun 13, 2018 23:39
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You know how the defense of Manchin is that it's better to have someone who votes with Democrats some of the time rather than a Republican who would never do it? This defense assumes that all legislation is equal. Right now, the racist elf has used the same Bible passage that was used to justify slavery and that fucker Manchin voted to confirm him and thinks Sessions isn't racist at all. gently caress Manchin.
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Jun 15, 2018 02:03
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Solkanar512 posted:It’s now fanboyism to point out that having a majority of democratic senators means democratic control of the schedule and the committees? There are rules against posting while high. They’re saying that even with democratic control, it doesn’t mean that they’ll actually do anything progressive. They’ll try to compromise with the GOP to be seen as bipartisan.
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Jun 16, 2018 17:13
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Solkanar512 posted:
Hey, you're the one trying to let 80s Republicans have control over the entire government.
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Jun 16, 2018 23:19
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I posted this on another forum and the peeps there immediately assumed I was white and that Thomas Frank was only talking about the white working class.
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Jul 29, 2018 18:02
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Please vote for anybody with a D next to their name, even if they are just Republicans! *Democrats take back Congress* *Conservative Dems stop or water down every good policy* It’s not our fault! It’s because of the Blue Dogs!
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Jul 31, 2018 12:32
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Hi, I'm a Centrist Democrat and we're the only ones capable of defeating fascism. Please vote for Manchin who supports a fascist and uses fascist rhetoric.
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Jul 31, 2018 13:17
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It’s like they want to build a house on quicksand using foam noodles
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Jul 31, 2018 14:06
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Speaking of Manchin, I didn’t this happened: https://twitter.com/paulhogarth/status/1023449544804065280?s=21 He said that Pritt didn’t have the concerns of moderate and conservative Dems so he decided to endorse a Republican. gently caress everyone who says we should support someone like him or else we get the GOP when this fucker would gladly endorse and vote for a Republican.
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Jul 31, 2018 14:20
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Condiv posted:how did manchin ever recover from this insidious apostasy? why don't centrists treat him like satan incarnate like they treat any leftist who didn't vote for a dem? I remember people defending Manchin saying that he’s open to endorsing Trump by saying that he’s just performing. This is proof that he would totally do it. If Bernie got the nom I bet he would endorse Trump
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Jul 31, 2018 14:31
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Thinking he’s performing is broke brained because he’s still being racist with his “performance.” It pisses me off when liberals defend that.
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Jul 31, 2018 14:45
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twice burned ice posted:His value is that he votes with the caucus on big ticket bills. That's it. He declined to vote on the DADT repeal and says he is in support of DOMA. He’s been declaring that there should be a wall between the US and Mexico. He voted to confirm Sessions and will vote to confirm Kavanaugh. He is useful for the GOP.
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Jul 31, 2018 15:13
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twice burned ice posted:He's less useful to the GOP than a Trumpist would be. You know, like the person he's running against in the election this year. The dude said he’s open to endorsing Trump. And he voted to confirm the guy who spearhead child concentration camps. The ACA isn’t the only thing that counts.
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Jul 31, 2018 15:27
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The fascist supporting Manchin was useful in this one instance therefore we need him obviously
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Jul 31, 2018 15:58
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twice burned ice posted:The alternative is a fascist who will never be useful. Manchin is like one step away from being a fascist and that’s me being generous. He is willing to endorse a fascist and has used said fascists rhetoric before. At best, he’s a collaborator.
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Jul 31, 2018 16:25
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I don’t like Manchin but I will defend his right to be a fascist
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Jul 31, 2018 17:00
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I just like how people have to reflexively defend Manchin every time someone criticizes him.
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Jul 31, 2018 17:40
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Ytlaya posted:Well, look at what's actually happening in these arguments. It almost always follows the same pattern - leftists attack Democrats for being lovely (and I don't really see the problem with this; it's just a discussion forum and the absence of an actual left-wing party in the US is a real problem), and someone gets angry/irritated with them and starts arguing about how you should still vote for them. The latter folks are almost always the ones who trigger the argument. This is the exact same thing that happens everywhere I see anyone criticize Manchin to a T. And almost always they will say that they don’t like him either and that they are in agreement with us.
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Jul 31, 2018 19:37
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I like how some people defend Pelosi by saying that she passed a public option in the House, but that public option would have had higher premiums than private insurance. The Dems had control and utterly fumbled with a watered down Republican bill
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Aug 1, 2018 14:37
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Condiv posted:which the repubs refused to vote for, so what was the point in adopting republican legislation in the first place? To make money. Blue Dogs wanted their doctor friends to make money. And Pelosi didn’t want to make the public option cheaper.
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Aug 1, 2018 14:45
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Leftists purists: People getting healthcare is bad because the perfect is the enemy of the good The people criticizing the ACA aren’t disregarding that it helped save people. They are not saying people shouldn’t get healthcare and thinking that any criticism of it means that is stupid as gently caress
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Aug 1, 2018 18:52
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Better implies good. Better is a comparison between one state and another. The ACA was good because it was an improvement on the current state. What the gently caress is wrong with people where an improvement on something isn't good? You would never say something getting better is bad. Being shot in hand is better than being shot in the head. Does that mean being shot in the hand is good?
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Aug 1, 2018 19:29
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“Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good,” I say as I water down the ACA with Republican amendments and end up with no Republican votes.
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Aug 1, 2018 19:31
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:it's good compared to being shot i the head. yes . This is very simple and should not be hard to understand. Being shot at all is bad you dingbat
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Aug 1, 2018 20:32
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Condiv posted:jesus gently caress It's probably the same ones who had contention over calling them concentration camps. It's like they don't want to call it that because it means that we'd have to change how we do our immigration. After all, Obama's DOJ fought a lawsuit against one of their judges who argued that three year olds can act as their own immigration lawyers.
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