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Chelsea Manning is cool and good. That is all.
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Condiv posted:that doesn't change the fact she faced the death penalty yronic you lovely waste Or the part where the thing she was leaking was war crimes. I mean you can poo poo on Snowden because "he leaked that the government spies on us but we already knew that, what a moron" if you want (you'd be wrong), but Manning was exposing outright murder by American troops made in our name, and here we are debating the ethics of how she did it while the war criminals walk free.
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Oct 19, 2017 20:15
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yronic heroism posted:You have a Ken Bone avatar, so Has a bad avatar on a website where people can buy others avatars versus has sociopath opinons. 
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Oct 19, 2017 20:22
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Majorian posted:You do realize that she was very badly mistreated and almost driven to suicide, right? That's not a rebuttal to what he said. A rebuttal to what he said was that Manning passed the info she had to a source who pledged to perform editorial work on the information to make sure it was safe. Unfortunately, that ended up being loving Assange, who is useless scum. So he should shoulder the blame of not doing his loving job.
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Oct 19, 2017 20:36
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Condiv posted:yronic is unconcerned with such things. if he leaked stuff, he'd have done it right! he'd have taken all the most important stuff to leak, researched it really well with the help of the obama government, and then leaked to ???? instead of assange! that's why he feels comfortable saying she deserves jail time (and to face the death penalty, but yronic, being wise as he is, knew for certain that the government would fail to get her executed!) I mean yeah but now he can't be like "you didn't answer my complaint pleb  "
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Oct 19, 2017 20:40
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yronic heroism posted:"This fringe lolbertarian white dude I met on the internet turned out to be a rapist and a misogynist alt right shitstain? Oh well, I can sleep secure knowing that no one could have foreseen this turn of events." "It would've been better if Manning had shared the info with a better outlet than Julian Assange" is a true statement but a weak poo poo criticism.
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Oct 19, 2017 20:57
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yronic heroism posted:Sorry I think colluding with Pepes is a jailable offense (albeit with clemency). So like, we should send Hillary and Obama to jail for doing interviews with Bill O'Reilly? Because that's where this dumb logic chain goes.
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Oct 19, 2017 21:08
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yronic heroism posted:This would an excellent point if they colluded with him rather than gave an interview. I mean, lending legitimacy to a group like Fox News rather than spurning them is pretty bad imo. Normal people would just be like "hey Obama please don't hang out with them, they bad," instead of advocating for torture and jail time though. 
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Oct 19, 2017 21:17
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Chomskyan posted:Manning already said she did try to contact major newspapers first, but was blown off. She made a reasonable decision passing the files to Wikileaks, which had a better reputation at the time. From normal USPOL, I hope s/he doesn't mind me using this quote. I'm gonna blame the NYT because it was probably them again, loving assholes.
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Oct 19, 2017 21:30
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Ytlaya posted:Wikileaks had pretty wide approval among people who were okay with the idea of leaks like Manning's in the first place prior to Assange's sexual assault stuff (which IIRC was when opinions started to really shift even among anti-authoritarian folks). Basically I remember support being split along authoritarian/anti-authoritarian lines; there wasn't the same association with Russia or the alt-right or whatever that there is now. This is absolutely true, because I was hugely authoritarian at the time and thought Manning was bad simply because she went against America and freedom and blah blah blah I was dumber then than I even am now. All the Russin and rape poo poo happened after what, 2013-14? Assange was always a dipshit but we didn't want to admit that early on when he was glorifying the death of "collaborators."
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Oct 19, 2017 21:52
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yronic heroism posted:You do know what a wiki is, right? Something any neckbeard shitlord participates in, usually anonymously? I'm glad I'm not the dumbest person in this conversation. 
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Oct 19, 2017 22:25
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yronic heroism posted:Aaron Sorkin is a liberal A Few Good Men is also the only thing he's been involved in that's still actually pretty good as a work of art, sorry bro but West Wing is garbage.
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Oct 20, 2017 01:07
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yronic heroism posted:This but a few good men is also bad. No, A Few Good Men is a great movie that happens to have terrible politics. 
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Oct 20, 2017 01:39
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. This explains so much about your posting.
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Oct 20, 2017 04:38
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yronic heroism posted:Markets exist. Property exists. So do laws, policies, currency, and all the rest. But that was not the question. poo poo, I don't even know what Trab thinks capitalism means. Is it the economic order of the US? Sweden? China? All have been said to be "capitalist" (Yes, even China) but have not a lot in common. This isn't some mystical bullshit question where "oh but do we really know what capitalism is?" It's a system in which some people own and direct the means of production, typically but not always using markets to distribute resources to consumers via supply and demand.
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Oct 20, 2017 04:48
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yronic heroism posted:Lol if you think Stalin did not own the means of production. I don't think the Soviet Union is any kind of role model for a good socialist system, but I also think that the Russian people believed they were a part of a socialist society and did the majority of the heavy lifting when it came to actually fighting and dying to the Nazis.
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Oct 20, 2017 04:53
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yronic heroism posted:I have no idea, but answer me this: What has NFS ever posted that is distinguishable from a Russian troll account shaping US politics by keeping the non-Trumpist party in disarray? I can't remember anything. poo poo, they even have an October 2016 regdate. You sound more like a random word generator than he does. NFS is just kind of a dick to people.
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Oct 20, 2017 19:07
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Falstaff posted:Trump wasn't a mass murderer at the time, unless you know something about him I don't. Generally speaking, every one who becomes president or desires to can be safely categorized under that label, eventually, if they win. Is there a president that presided over no foreign intervention of any kind or otherwise directly caused mass death a la. Native American removal/wars? Other than Harrison I suppose. Maybe Chester A. Arthur? I would argue Lincoln might deserve a pass except I know he did lovely things to Native Americans. 
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Oct 31, 2017 14:32
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I see the logic of what Schumer's staffer was going there for, but they should've focused on "why do you attack Muslims immediately after this but said nothing after Vegas?" It's a better talking point that doesn't require rehabilitating W.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:04
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Oh dear, that's much worse. They're trying to get out in front of the "WORST TERROR ATTACK IN NEW YORK SINCE 9/11" talking point and floundering.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:07
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I see that Schumer's Twitter staffer got the memo. https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/925703236568473601
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Nov 1, 2017 18:17
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joepinetree posted:Or to convince other candidates cough*Biden*cough not to run explicitly citing how there would be no time to build a similar campaign Biden didn’t run because of family tragedy by almost all accounts, not because of whatever Hillary was doing. IMO the most likely contender to have run if things were different is Booker.
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Nov 5, 2017 18:08
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NathanScottPhillips posted:loving love this forum! NathanScottPhillips posted:Nazis are people with bad opinions usually caused by a horrible family structure, lack of education and opportunities, and poverty. You are so blinded by your own lack of empathy that you view them as "subhuman trash" only worthy of violence. In fact you specifically say that simply talking to them cannot be justified. Sometimes both sides are fascists. lol get the gently caress out.
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Nov 6, 2017 04:55
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Condiv posted:i wonder why centrists feel the need to defend joe manchin, a man whose family is currently making epipens unaffordably expensive. do they just hate people with allergies? I don’t have allergies and I invested in companies that sell Epipens, this is my evil plot to make enough money to maybe buy a house before I’m 40.  Edit: serious answer gently caress Manchin.
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Nov 10, 2017 20:11
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Condiv posted:too bad that's not what's happened here, and your insistence on trying to pretend it is kinda makes it obvious you do. either that or you're sexist and don't think a female politician has any idea what she's talking about I’m not gonna lie I more or less agree with Condiv at this point. The primary should be fair and unbiased, though it will be a shame if we lose the seat. Manchin is poo poo though, and Virginia proved leftists can win in Republican states.
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Nov 10, 2017 21:01
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:i mean hes not wrong but you should punch nazis so he's still wrong Punch Nazis first, discuss the systemic problems that cause Nazis later.
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Nov 12, 2017 03:23
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I’m scared, he’s gonna come for my bad League of Legends posting soon.  I campaigned for Obama I swear!
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Nov 15, 2017 21:53
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Kilroy posted:I'm sure that won't stop you from continuing to blame leftists for any and all Democratic political failures going forward though But... the Russians? (The Russians really did interfere in the election, as a disclaimer, but JeffersonClay is comical in his level of devotion to Russian conspiracy theories. Anyone who thinks the Russians pays trolls on SA is a lunatic)
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Nov 15, 2017 23:17
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Nevvy Z posted:Hundreds of thousands of Twitter Bots sure but $10 for a forums account is just a bridge too far  It's not just that they wouldn't pay $10, it's that nobody gives a poo poo about Something Awful in 2017 lmao.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:21
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Ze Pollack posted:we have hit full-on I Speak For The Lesser Races In Saying I Am Not Complicit In White Supremacy You can’t not post context for that last part.
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Nov 16, 2017 21:26
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Ze Pollack posted:somebody raised the issue that Hillary's justification for employing slave labor was "it's alright, they've got lesser emotional intelligence than us" 
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Nov 16, 2017 21:30
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Condiv posted:are people really trying to defend franken for that poo poo? why would you do that, even if you're a spineless centrist? For the same reason we defended Bill Clinton: the aggregate harm done by Democratic politicians stepping down and potentially being replaced by Republicans is more than the harm done to the individual women. It’s a dumb horseshit argument because it can be used to dismiss any wrongdoing by any Democratic politician for any reason.
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Nov 19, 2017 01:37
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Katt posted:Did Joe Biden announce he was running in 2020? Currently basically every credible Democrat that could run in 2020 is going to experience a flurry of hit pieces at some point or another, from either the right or left depending on who they are. It’s what happens when there isn’t a clear front runner, everyone would like to clear the field but that isn’t going to happen this time around. Anyone who expects [candidate] to blow through the primary because [reasons they think the candidate deserves to win] hasn’t been paying attention to the 2012 and 2016 Republican primaries. 2020 is going to be a primary bloodbath for the Dems and no one is going to have an easy time of it.
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Nov 19, 2017 10:10
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Condiv posted:it's also a real trip to see people slut shaming franken's accuser: As of this morning, there is a second accuser. gently caress anyone who was about how he shouldn't resign. 
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Nov 20, 2017 15:43
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NewForumSoftware posted:in a shocking turn of events Jefferson "Biden would have won" Clay is opposed to sexual predators resigning from office Oh come on, I don’t even like JC and that’s not a fair reading. His first reason is that “so more victims can come forward” and he explicitly said “before he resigns.” I don’t agree with waiting for the ethics committee but reading that post as pro-Franken is bad faith. Besides there’s so many other bad opinions to poo poo on JC for.
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Nov 20, 2017 20:37
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NewForumSoftware posted:Yes that's like saying we should make Franken the Democratic nominee in 2020 so more victims come forward. It's broken rear end logic that only serves to protect sexual predators. Him resigning and an official investigation taking place are not mutually exclusive! Oh I agree it’s a bad take. It just wasn’t anti-resignation, just anti- immediate resignation with a list of mediocre reasons for why they should try to publicly pillory him before he resigns rather than after. There’s actually a “pragmatic” reason why Franken resigning immediately would be bad, which is that it gives Republicans another vote of margin to get their tax plan passed. The Governor of Minnesota better have a replacement lined up loving yesterday if Franken actually caves and resigns. I expect Franken to fight it though. Then things get dicey.
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Nov 20, 2017 20:49
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Futuresight posted:Your post seems to imply we should take JC's expressed motivations at face value. I mean, at face value he’s arguing that Franken should resign after an ethics committee castigates him because of ~the optics~, which is a dumb but at least coherent idea.
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Nov 20, 2017 20:55
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Dreylad posted:Even further back than that, 19th century socialist movements considered women's suffrage bourgeois nonsense. You won’t need the right to vote under communism, comrade. The “your equality can wait for the fall of capitalism” argument coming from the relatively privileged is always horseshit.
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Nov 20, 2017 21:32
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VitalSigns posted:I hope I'm wrong but Jones is probably going to lose. I’m not sure why you’ve said this, considering his issue page lists a living wage and healthcare as a right as key points. It’s not the ideal progressive wet dream type of platform but it’s mind blowing for a guy running in Alabama. Has he made some kind of public statement indicating he’s anti-progressive? Edit: you guys are talking like there’s some kind of news story about Jones I haven’t seen. twodot posted:I'm not trying to speak for Ytlaya, I just agree with this, and I'd like to take this reasoning a step further. Even if I had 100% concrete proof the politician was innocent (like I was with them at the times or whatever), I'd still argue it's better to discard tainted politicians. Like surely we can find an equivalently smart human with equivalent policies that doesn't have people accusing them of assault? In some hypothetical scenario where Republicans have weaponized their voting base into massively generating false accusations we can revise that strategy, but I simply don't believe that the job of Democratic politician is so difficult that we can't replace them in the current environment. This is kind of a strange thing to say, false accusations are rare in practice so worrying about them or some conservative conspiracy to repudiate progressives is mostly pointless. If there was a scenario where there was some way to prove that an accusation was false it wouldn’t be good to let it stand, if only because it isn’t really fair to allow someone’s reputation and career get torched over something that isn’t true. But again, that’s such a pie in the sky scenario because the reality as it stands is that false accusations of sexual misconduct are very rare. That said, people aren’t “equivalent.” If for example we had a minority representative who was replaced by a non-minority representative of similar views, a number of people would still feel frustrated by the loss of representation and the loss of other perspectives in lawmaking. Not only that, but while many people may hold similar views, they are not necessarily evenly distributed across the country. A progressive politician in a conservative area may actually be irreplaceable, at least in the near term. That isn’t to say that misconduct of any kind should be excused because someone is not easily replaced politically or their seat is at risk of flipping if they are removed. But it’s important to understand that political representatives are people who have attributes besides their politics that voters connect with and appreciate. For example, many people have roughly similar or more progressive political views as Bernie and are equally as capable of being a Senator, and yet many people would prefer Bernie to any other candidate for their Senator or President for other reasons than his platform. These other qualities aren’t just interchangeable. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Nov 22, 2017 |
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Roland Jones posted:It was posted above. Apparently Jones is in favor of corporate tax cuts, just not the current GOP tax plan. Ah I see, my bad. That’s unfortunate, but not unusual. I wouldn’t characterize that as disqualifying for where and what he’s running for but it’s not ideal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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