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It looks like a second victim has come out against Al so those tweets are not going to have aged well after a day.
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Dec 13, 2017 19:34
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Inescapable Duck posted:Remember when that meant that a man with a wife and three kids would have to stay in a well compensated, unionised 9-5 weekday job until retirement? Someone here said "remember when being moderately competent at your 9-5 job you would eventually retire from was something to be depressed about?" and that's really loving terrible.
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Remember a lot of the "mistakes" that were made by people buying houses were acting with the approval of banks which were supposed to be the experts that told you "no you can not afford this loan" instead of just approving everything, slicing them up and shoving the bits into securities, and then fraudulently mislabeling their overall quality. Blaming the homeowners for the crash is like blaming someone that goes to the doctor and is misdiagnosed that they didn't know better than to not trust that person which society tells you is beyond question.
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Yeah Tanden made it abundantly clear she doesn't give a poo poo about anything but her side winning and she doesn't consider leftists on her side.
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Jan 21, 2018 16:39
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"Only Serious people can protect the Dreamers and stand up for women" -abandons Dreamers -sides with sex pest white dude who didn't face any criminal penalty but lost his job
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Feb 27, 2018 14:40
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It's going to be "hilarious" when Trump accidentally tweets in support of single payer during the election because he gets claps (while not really understanding it or have any interest in actually enacting it) then the DCCC approved candidate has to stumble awkwardly during a debate and explain why his or her much more complicated vision that no one wants is totally for real better. I don't really buy the "Oh no Republicans will vote against us if we support this which is why we are doing this!!!" excuse anymore. Even people as dumb as the DCCC have to know that Republicans in general (I'm not talking about the fabled Moderates they desperately want as their base) will vote against them regardless; they just don't want to do these things. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 17:04
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What screwed the Democrats I think was failing when they had majorities and hoping that the excuse of "well we don't have 60 Senators so the Republican minority screwed us constantly" was going to fly. Pretty much no one outside D.C that isn't a super political wonk gives a poo poo about political rules outside the Constitution or Senatorial respect. When you had majority control and ended up doing little with it outside the ACA which, to be generous, was decent but flawed and the bank bailout/subsequent "help" for the common person which was terribly handled you don't build up a lot of credibility that you are either competent or care about doing good.
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Feb 28, 2018 19:44
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Few things are less inspiring than explaining to someone, like they were a child, why the things they need are not realistic so you have to accept that maybe in ten years they will get something kinda like what they want if they are very good and vote correctly. Even more so if you start getting snippy about it like they are absolutely unreasonable (i.e "unicorns and full communism now" in regards to first world health care). Issues like legalized marijuana, BLM inspired justice reform, and better medical care are out of the bottle and people aren't going to accept half-hearted measures and excuses the next time the Democrats get into power. If they take the presidency and congress and don't start solving some of these in the first year (and I mean start, not necessarily finish) they are going to be shocked when their town halls start getting flooded with angry citizens. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Feb 28, 2018 20:21
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Katt posted:Mentally ill man performs an armed attack on a school in the Netherlands. All I'm seeing is a distinct lack of freedom here.
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Mar 7, 2018 20:19
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That's a pretty funny post considering the Trump thread.
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Mar 10, 2018 23:14
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Yeah. I don't really see how things can be fixed without working within the system. However one of the biggest hurdles is the cycle of: Democratic leaders used their influence in primaries both publicly (just look at everyone coming out for Cuomo despite him being garbage and actively negative towards Democratic power in New York) and secretly -> win because Republican is absolutely toxic or the area has voted Democrat forever -> Use primary win to claim that there is no need to move left whatsoever -> Use elected position and connections to further influence primaries -> repeat. There is a serious push back against moving the party leftward to even things that are popular among both Republicans and Democratic voters which is why the flippant solution of moving the party left via primaries and then letting the adults handle everything subsequently is incredibly naive. Bad Dems aren't bad because they are forced to be by their constituents, they have an ideology they follow which they don't want to compromise.
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Jun 12, 2018 20:37
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B B posted:Centrists have lost over 1000 seats at the state level, the house, the senate, and the presidency. Maybe centrists should stop claiming that they are some sort of authority on who can and can't win elections, and just let the primaries play out as they play out? Seriously. The Democratic establishment is an expert at losing elections not winning them without help from Republicans becoming so bad there is no other option. Their authority should only be used to negatively select candidates.
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Jun 12, 2018 22:23
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Voting lesser evil no matter what in favor of the Democrats has been the strategy since Gore lost "because of Nader" and that resulted in eight years of Bush, a second Obama term where he couldn't do anything because so many seats in Congress were lost over his tenure, and now a fully Republican federal government led by Trump that has no issue with open corruption and anti-Democratic measures. It's a loving terrible strategy and the only reason it gets propagated is it supports bad Democratic leadership's decisions to pass lovely policies in their personal favor and use marginalized groups as hostages.Jaxyon posted:Zero of Republicans in power support any of that. I think Democrats can be pushed in the direction of social justice, but Republicans are an idiot cult. Nancy Pelosi couldn't even be assed to support the kneeling NFL players. They aren't doing poo poo for social justice if it requires anything more than lame posts on twitter. Condiv posted:no they can't. they had multiple chances. each time, they fold. social justice requires making a stand, and making a stand is too risky for the democrats and so they always chicken out or give up the ghost. like they did on dreamers Exactly. The Democratic party has based its political strategy on zero risk and social justice will always require a risk because it is inherently against the status quo. Just look at both Clinton and Obama steering wide of gay marriage in 2007 and then suddenly being ok with it once it became popular. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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Jun 12, 2018 23:03
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The idea of voting for the lesser evil is supposed to be something that is done in incredibly dire circumstances. Like there was a primary between two candidates and the good one suddenly died right before the election and the other bad one won by default. Then you have the lovely guy going up against a white supremacist and you have to hold your nose because fate just worked out badly that time. It's NOT supposed to turn into a party's entire political strategy allowing them to be corrupt and lovely but JUUUUUUST a little better than the other guys. Creating a situation where you place the moral choice on the voters to support garbage because it's suddenly all their fault if the garbage loses and nazis get elected is incredibly backwards. It also takes out all the agency of the elected officials who have way more ability to influence things than some random voter. Tim Kaine and Mark Warner didn't need to deregulate the banks and Warner specifically didn't need to help Haspel. However they did so now people have to have the ethical decision to support them or not while they just smile all the way to the bank since they won't face the repercussions of their bad decisions or if they lose their seats to a Republican. It's frankly disgusting and while it may be the "best choice" voting for these guys is not going to ever move the party left. I don't know what the solution is since our system is broken at a fundamental level and both parties don't want anyone to shake things up that interferes with their grift. It just really pisses me off when you have smug assholes say "if you don't vote for poo poo Dem that opposes helping [X] group, you are the fascist that doesn't care about [X] group." The good cop doesn't want to help the person being interrogated anymore than the bad cop does. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 16:26
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Tim Kaine is the dumbfuck behind this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/congress-may-declare-the-forever-war/562175/?utm_source=atlfb Like how does continuing to support this guy solve us anything? The Republicans have nominated yet another open white supremacist so it's a choice between that and a guy that wants to give Trump unconstitutional war powers because it would make things nice, legal, and bipartisan. We were getting at this in the Trump thread but "experienced" politicians aren't always good, especially when they try to solve problems in overly complicated and typically unhelpful ways because they are adverse to solving them more simply but conflicts with their doners or even their own benefit. I'm not going to tell anyone that doesn't want to vote for Kaine's insane forever war bullshit (with a side of bank deregulation) that they are fascists because they don't vote for him implicitly. He's actively bad and making things worse; he's not some benign boring "not full communism now but otherwise left-wing" choice or whatever strawman argument liberals want to smack down. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 18:47
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The issue is the Tim Kaines use their position and authority in order to push more Tim Kaine styled candidates nationwide. You can't move left as long as he is in office. I don't know what the solution is, but continuing to support him, while constantly admitting he is trash, is not sustainable. We've had twenty plus years of this sort of strategy and we are now in a situation where not only do we have Donald Trump in office, we have the guy that ran against him as VEEP trying to give him the ability to detain people in this country.
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Liberals loving love Manchin, they constantly defend him and get mad when he's is attacked for being bad. Look at the difference in anger they show at Manchin saying he may have to support Trump compared to the people saying that Kaine blows and they are going to stay home.quote:It would empower Trump and his successors to unilaterally wage war in new countries, expand their ability to indefinitely detain prisoners without charges, and empower them to unilaterally kill individuals even inside the United States. Like what the hell, this is absolutely insane. Like I can't wait for President Bannon in 2024 to order a hit on someone he declared a terrorist and then the Democrats have to sheepishly ignore it since they wrote the legislation that allowed it to happen. I bet Kaine threw a party last night when he found out he gets to run against a white supremacist and doesn't have to give a poo poo about what anyone thinks at all since what are you going to do let a white supremacist win?? Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jun 13, 2018 |
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Jun 13, 2018 18:56
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Jaxyon posted:No, liberals don't love Manchin. Many hate him and want him primaried. Most feel he's a necessarily evil because he's the only Democrat that can currently win that seat in WV. You are wrong. The ire towards Paula Jean Swearengin was real and when Manchin won there was smugness because they were vindicated their Serious choice was given credibility. There was a lot of anger at the idea that the primary was unfair when the party gave Manchin obvious support. If you think liberals oppose Manchin, outside of the most tepid reproaches, I think you are very naive.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:11
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Jaxyon posted:If you think that people thinking that Swearengin couldn't win equates to a deep abiding love of Manchin, I'd say you are really naive. No. You don't put your finger on the scale and then say you are just being pragmatic. You don't look at an election where the clearly ideologically worse candidate (Manchin is bad both socially and economically) won and gloat. As I said you can see the anger at regular people not voting Democrat and then the off hand dismissal of criticisms against Manchin when he does worse by actually suggesting he will cross party lines.
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Jun 13, 2018 19:25
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Are you European or do you mean November 9th? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FveXB_-W3HM&t=45s
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Black women women in mass for Jones, who went on to vote over 50% of the time along with Trump among that deregulating banks allowing them to racially discriminate again is pretty much all you need to know about how the Democrats view the benefits of "lesser of two evils" strategy and what they consider the people they care about representing.
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People that use Democratic primary wins as some sort of trump card for a candidate's elect-ability are hilarious, especially when they are still committed to that talking point after those candidates lose. Like let's pretend that the DNC and DCCC don't exert influence in support of particular candidates and everything is fair. The Democratic Presidential primary in the last two decades has given us Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Clinton. That's one winner and three fantastic losers. It's not exactly a barometer that accurately selects winning Presidential candidates. "How could Bernie have possibly won if Hillary beat him in the primary?  " Like does that imply that no one in this entire country could beat Trump because Hillary won and she couldn't beat him? That the primary literally selects the best general election candidate?Also it's a joke since if Bernie hadn't run she basically would have been running unopposed which is exactly the opposite in what you want to find the strongest candidate. Idiots thought it was going to be a coronation and got very offended when someone got in the way of that and Clinton had to actually campaign which says a lot about how they view Democracy. Oh Snapple! posted:It does not take any amount of hindsight to look at a person poisoned by literal decades of scandal (both legitimate and not) and horrific decisions and come to the conclusion of "this person should not be anywhere loving near a presidential bid" Even when I thought Hillary was going to win, it boggled my mind that people believed she was going to be the person to get cross over votes from Republicans and also "work with Congress" to get stuff done. It's like those people have never actually met a Republican. Even the "good" (at least as far as the Democrats are concerned) ones that are affluent and educated hiss and recoil when you mention her name.
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I said this in the Trump thread but if the Democrats had any inclination to actually fight racism they would have supported Manchin's opponent in the West Virginia race. If he then won anyway you transision your support to him afterwards (like theoretically they would have had to do if Swearengin had won). The fact that she got totally ignored while Manchin runs around saying Trump is maybe ok  and that the border wall is totally a cool thing right before this whole child separation thing really hit the fan shows that they just don't really care until the optics reach a point where it just can't be ignored. He also voted for both Sessions and Devos. He's worse that useless because he can't be counted on for anything outside of the most absolutely beyond the pale votes in favor of Democrats while constantly doing poo poo that makes the entire party look soft on stuff that is supposed to be their core ideology. If you are going to say you are "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" but then support a guy that's all but saying he thinks Trump's immigration strategy is solid what do you have left? Do we just support Manchin until the end of time because the party has internalized the idea that he is the only person that can get elected in West Virginia while doing absolutely nothing to make that not the case in the future?The feeling I get from Manchin supporting Democrats is there's almost this pride that they are willing to do what has to be done and forgo "purity politics" because the Serious strategy involves tough decisions. It's why they get incredibly angry when you chip away at the idea that these Red State Democrats are actively hurting the social policies that their position in congress is supposed to be helping. "Good Politics" means compromising and getting stuff accomplished but everything after 2008 has made it clear that comprising with people acting in bad faith just gets bad deals. Just look at Tim Kaine working to give Trump even more power in the name of bipartisanship; the idea of compromise as the goal despite results is absolutely toxic and taken over the Democratic party. Getting control is all well and good but a repeat of 2008-2010 where bad Democrats stood in the way of the Dream Act which is one of the reasons we are in the current situation with DACA recipients fearing deportation is going to repeat itself and we are never getting 60 votes in the Senate again, especially not with a cushion for the inevitable Red State traitors. The ONLY benefit to him is the Senate majority if he's the single guy that flips it since his voting record is trash and indicates he's supremely racist. I'm absolutely not confident in such a situation he doesn't switch parties. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Jun 17, 2018 |
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Manchin spending the last few days putting out commercials for the border wall and specifically not joining in on the bill to stop child separation makes the posts claiming if you don't support him you are against DACA even more maddening.
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Jun 18, 2018 13:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol are the smoothbrains seriously still trying to pull that poo poo after just throwing up their hands and declaring that there's nothing that could have been done when the dems threw the dreamers under the bus earlier this year? The narrative changed so quickly from "believe in the Democrats because they have a plan to help and your negativity isn't helping" to "nothing ever could have been done you are holding the minority party to an unreasonable standard" within like a day after Schumer gave up on the shutdown it was scary.
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I already gave credit to Manchin for joining the Democrats in the other USPOL thread that's discussing this topic. However let's be frank: being against child internment camps is the absolute lowest bar that can be set and he was the last hold out to join in. He's not doing something noble and heroic here, he's meeting the standard for a decent human specifically on an issue that's polling at 27% support so even some Trump supporters are against it. Also as is frequently pointed out his "bad" votes don't matter when something was going to pass anyway, so his good vote here is less important since there's no way that Republicans are signing on. If they get some to actually flip (God willing) then it becomes more significant. It doesn't change the fact that he's still campaigning on racism during this nightmare. This also gets back to what I was saying a while ago here. Democrats claim to hate Manchin and his votes but they are always very quick to defend his honor the second he clears the bare minimum expected of a member of the left party.
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Dirk Pitt posted:https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1011789112129486853 But how will she get the silent majority of Never Trumpers to vote for her?? 
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Yeah the weird duality of Democratic messaging is that Republicans are terrible and you need to vote against them regardless of anything else but also we need to constantly reach across the aisle and compromise with them. It resulted in people saying simultaneously that Clinton was the only person that could gently caress over the Republicans (as she would want vengeance after decades of abuse) but also she could meet them in the middle and get Congress to effectively legislate. They want the easy path of compromise and civility when they do their jobs but then try and hijack the passion for resistance during elections. It's incredibly cynical and as 2010 through 2016 showed is not a very effective motivator. You can blame the SCOTUS disaster on the media which is partly true but Obama took the path of least resistance throughout that entire ordeal starting with picking a boring centrist. That was a constitutional crisis that was basically shrugged through assuming you could shame Republicans or that pointing out their hypocrisy meant a drat. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:As I mentioned in C-SPAM, the Republicans had been preparing for Clinton's run for 16 years minimum, and the demographic that Clinton hung her entire strategy on- 'moderate' suburban white conservatives- was one that had been very specifically taught by conservative media to despise her specifically. Even when I thought she was going to win the people saying she was the Responsible choice since only she could get cross over votes from Republicans sounded crazy. I dont think people who said that have ever met a real Republican in the flesh or were idiotic pundits that believed the Never Trumpers were a demographic that mattered. Every Republican I have ever met hates her with a passion regardless of if they are full on Trumpster or just hankering for some tax cuts. We couldn't have nominated a more divisive candidate from the primary to the general and it wasn't even because of a radical agenda, she and her husband are just totally toxic. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Jun 28, 2018 |
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/nancy-pelosi-says-socialism-is-not-ascendant-in-the-democratic-party/ Haha I wonder how pissed she was when her guy lost. Seriously she is so lame and not a leader.
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Dirk Pitt posted:We really can’t replace Pelosi guys. Just gotta deal with the cards we are dealt. We just have to wait until she can fimd and train up a replacement since her talent and experience is too important (because the bought guy she was banking on just got ganked.)
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The Republicans stub their toes and scream about socialists so that she thinks saying they aren't is going to matter is further evidence she has no leadership qualifications in 2018.
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Centrist Democrats don't like to win too much because then they are tasked with actually doing what they claim to support on when they have the power see California and New Jersey.
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Schrodinger's Leftist: insignificant enough that they should be ignored as their political ideology doesn't matter but powerful enough that all lost elections are singularly their fault.
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Trabisnikof posted:Paying politicians less is a dumb idea because that just further ensures that only rich fuckers can be politicians. The whole "Trump isn't taking a salary " thing pisses me off so much. Yeah I really want to vote for assholes that can do the most powerful job in the world as a hobby.
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Welp that's pretty definitive.
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Also there's a clear message from the party that is endlessly complaining about third party spoilers saying "it's no big deal" that he is remaining on the ballot especially when you have Dean and Lieberman floating the idea that he screws her from within the party. At the absolute least he needs a public statement saying that anyone that supports him needs to vote for AOC and to rebuke that editorial. At this point it's no longer crazy conspiracy territory and absolutely causing a rift. Just offhandedly saying he isn't running doesn't cut it and is making it clear that they don't respect her or her primary voters. She should be having to run against not only the Republican but Crowley's ghost.
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Joe popped out of his hole again to remind us he's totally not running (and of course doesn't mention we should vote for AOC or get his rear end off the ballot). I would buy his bullshit "it's too hard..." excuse if he was strongly endorsing AOC or denouncing the idea that he should run as a spoiler. However he is doing neither. You can't be a potential spoiler and pretend that you are no longer relevent to the election. It's really clear he's hoping that he falls into being reelected if the initial plan wasn't to straight up campaign once the conservative opeds started begging him to. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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joepinetree posted:Odds are democrats are going overtime right now into trying to find dirt on AOC, or just hoping she does something stupid, so that they can go all "welp, we were totally going to support her, but after this, please vote Crowley." Yeah exactly. I think catching him in the act and heading him off makes it looks worse than the original plan of doing it out of no where though. Now people are on guard and he looks like a supreme fucker if he just happens to run. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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