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Cerv posted:On the other hand raising the payment threshold will actually benefit anyone except the shittiest paid already not earning above £20k. And actually what Osbourne & Cable promised when the £9k fees came in. So a u-turn of a u-turn Yeah, it benefits people but only in the sense that it semi-reverses the Tories deliberate decision to make things worse. Very generous of them. https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/914397952097095680 https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/914400720694206464 https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/914403158398570496
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Are they really still going to try that now that his gay marriage and abortion vjews are widely known? Currently he's leading a right-wing media push against the idea of guaranteeing that EU citizens' rights are continued after Brexit. Because that might mean that they have more rights than British citizens once the 'British Bill of Rights' rolls in. No, I'm not kidding. He's also in third place in the leadership contest internal polls after Boris Johnson and Ruth Davidson, which may mean that he'll try to hoover up the hard-right vote after Johnson flames out. Expect a showdown between a Scottish lesbian and a Catholic aristocrat for control of a right-wing party to get really, really ugly.
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Earlier this year I was in Barcelona with my partner (her whole family is from the city), we were eating at some cafe while some Catalan guys were a couple tables away talking about the issue. At one point my gf kind of gasped and translated for me that one of the guys at the other table had said "gently caress them, let them starve" with reference to what would happen to poorer regions in Spain without the financial input from Catalonia. I just put that out there because I think some people form the impression of the Catalan people as a homogeneous mass of poor, oppressed people yearning for to be free, but it's not as clear cut as that (although the Catalan culture and language were severely repressed in the past). This wasn't some outrageous comment that you'd hardly ever hear, either. Catalonia is a comparatively wealthy region of Spain, and the fact that some of that wealth helps support other, poorer regions in Spain is sometimes talked of in the ugliest terms. So, although it might not be immediately apparent, there are really quite vile sentiments being thrown around in certain currents of the independence debate. But on the other hand Rajoy is showing himself to be a quasi-fascist dickhead by bringing to bear the whole weight of the state's coercive force in order to deny people a vote on whether they even want to be part of the state to begin with. Like everything in Spanish politics the whole situation is a complete clusterfuck.
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Jippa posted:The spanish riot police make the english ones look like boy scouts. The Mossos (Catalan regional police) are getting a lot of praise for their refusal to use violence right now, and as my partner will tell you from personal experience they are some of the most brutal cops in all of Spain. If they're being as sweet as lambs right now it's probably because they're hedging their bets.
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jabby posted:So when May was challenged about the pound dropping on her watch, she said a real 'run on the pound' means people queuing up to take their money out of banks.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I think it's pretty much a restatement of the Eye's Court Circular bits about how pissed off Brenda was at May for forcing her to miss the Garter Ceremony (one of the few duties she still enjoys, apparently) by saying she had a deal with the DUP when she didn't, although the stuff about May being on the verge of breakdown over Grenfell Tower is new. There's a smidge more on that in this summary in the Independent
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jojoinnit posted:I thought step one was "move to the north". I had a coworker sit me down the other day to ask what it was like to live in Manchester because he's thinking of settling down. I mean, that's what me and my partner did. Except to Liverpool, less chance of a tory conference here.
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Did I imagine it, or did Damian Green really claim on 5Live that one of his favourite bands when he was growing up was the Clash?
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Angepain posted:Bitcoin: Any Day Now
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Cultural Marxist posted:Did I imagine it, or did Damian Green really claim on 5Live that one of his favourite bands when he was growing up was the Clash? Paul Ryan's favourite band is rage against the machine
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communism bitch posted:Earlier this year I was in Barcelona with my partner (her whole family is from the city), we were eating at some cafe while some Catalan guys were a couple tables away talking about the issue. At one point my gf kind of gasped and translated for me that one of the guys at the other table had said "gently caress them, let them starve" with reference to what would happen to poorer regions in Spain without the financial input from Catalonia. I just put that out there because I think some people form the impression of the Catalan people as a homogeneous mass of poor, oppressed people yearning for to be free, but it's not as clear cut as that (although the Catalan culture and language were severely repressed in the past). He could be saying that out of anger rather than any "gently caress the poor" feelings. If he hates the rest of Spain that much maybe he wants them all to starve. I've thought/said really dumb things when having a fit of pique. Or he's exactly the bastard you thought he was. This was a useful post.
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Lol nobody's favourite band is gonna be right wing because they can't make art other than comics and video games Right wingers gotta listen to our music and scoff/ignore the lyrics
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Zephro posted:Yeah, I spotted that too. She's wrong. She's describing a run on the banks. Either she doesn't know the difference, which would be worrying or she was v quick on her feet with the misleading interpretation. Willing to bet every single time people mention the pound making GBS threads itself now it'll be met with that picture of people queueing outside Northern Rock, captioned with "SEE THIS IS WHAT A RUN ON THE POUND LOOKS LIKE THANKS TO BROON SPENDING ALL THE POONDS".
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Jose posted:Paul Ryan's favourite band is rage against the machine Gordon Brown's is the Artic Monkeys.
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Pochoclo posted:I always thought vampires would be firmly right-wing, what with them most likely being filthy rich thanks to having invested into real estate when it was really cheap. "Capital is dead labour, that, vampire-like, only lives by sucking living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks."
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Cultural Marxist posted:Did I imagine it, or did Damian Green really claim on 5Live that one of his favourite bands when he was growing up was the Clash? Paul Ryan claimed to be a RATM fan when he ran for vice president in 2012. Irony has been dead forever. E: that'll teach me not to refresh before posting
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Anyone at the Tory party conference March? I'm currently being kettled on Southern Street just off from the March cause I stood by some what I'm guessing are some kind of anarchists for too long. Either going to be allowed to join the end of the March or get arrested I suppose.
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Dickhead, the next Labour government will transform Britain (into an army of the undead).
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Remind me, has Dan Hodges finally come out an avowed Tory or is he still claiming to be a sensible, mature centrist. Edit: ^^^^^ Holy poo poo, that's bad. When you've lost the support of essential services like the firemen then poo poo is turning against you hard.
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Zephro posted:Yeah, I spotted that too. She's wrong. She's describing a run on the banks. Either she doesn't know the difference, which would be worrying or she was v quick on her feet with the misleading interpretation. Corbyn came out with the "there's been a run on the pound since 2015" line during the Labour conference, they've had time to come up with something. I guess this is the best they can do after that  CptAwesome posted:Anyone at the Tory party conference March? I'm currently being kettled on Southern Street just off from the March cause I stood by some what I'm guessing are some kind of anarchists for too long. Either going to be allowed to join the end of the March or get arrested I suppose. Don't get rained on too much. How's it looking in general? Speaking of kettling things are getting wilder in Catalunya https://twitter.com/AUGC_Comunica/status/914476437784158208
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CatalansForYes/status/914473277443031041 poo poo has gone sideways pretty badly. Riot police brutally beating Firefighters for trying to protect civilians is edging pretty close to full scale public revolt.
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communism bitch posted:Earlier this year I was in Barcelona Yes I've been very much underwhelmed by the arguments I've heard for why Catalonian independence is one of liberation rather than a rich area complaining about bearing the burden of supporting the whole, even though it's coming from a period of austerity as well. Thankfully the Spanish state are handling the affair so badly that I have no qualms about criticising how they're dealing with it even if I feel the Catalonian cause is questionable.
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Yeah I think I need to revise my previous "quasi-fascist" statement about Rajoy to "complete fascist". Whatever the merits and motives of the people in power pushing Cataln independence, Rajoy's response completely delgitimises him and the Spanish state.
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Firos posted:
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