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I continue to enjoy the series while acknowledging that Rothfuss is a idiotic person with misogynistic tendencies that seep into every pore of his books.
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And I was beginning to think my dating life was boring. I must assume you all are writing trashy genre fiction about your dating drama because how the hell do those people exist?
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Oct 8, 2017 18:54
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I am a normal nerd who is average and i'm socially awkward enough to never get dates How do crazy people get dates that then reveal they're parts of insane deathcults of ironic tentacle porn? Or that they think Rothfuss is a literary king? This thread convincing me to become a lovely writer instead of a paid computer toucher.
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Oct 8, 2017 19:09
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:So what was it that caused the books to be liked by so many people after the first read like myself and, I’m assuming, a bunch of other people in this thread? They're easy to consume fun genre fiction with just enough content to keep you entertained but without any meat that isn't rancid with sexism upon inspection.
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Oct 10, 2017 05:14
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I'm going to get the kindle version because I can spare that meager sum of money for closure.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:07
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Vavrek posted:I may have just hated Kvothe enough that I really enjoyed hearing him suffer, and was super looking forward to Kvothe going on to Wizard School having learned the lessons of street life (i.e., if you don't like someone, destroy everything they love and light them on fire). Definitely would have been better. Sociopath Harry Potter is a good concept.
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Oct 23, 2017 06:03
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Solice Kirsk posted:There is no such thing as a single book fantasy story anymore. Everything is always a series. Always. Take that self contained story poo poo and throw it onto your pile of garbage literature. If its a single book it cant possibly be genre fiction so it cant possibly be fantasy.
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Oct 25, 2017 21:04
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Lightning Lord posted:Betrayal at Krondor is a good video game though Great game, but so difficult 14 year old me never beat it. Even cheating. This was before google when I could look up a FAQ for which route to take to not instantly get murdered, or what the secret is for a particular odd encounter.
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Nov 3, 2017 15:52
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:I don't respect her enough to type it all out. I thought we were trying to avoid being Rothfuss or Rothfuss like.
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Nov 9, 2017 03:17
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Lightning Lord posted:The fact that it takes place "inside the Fae" and involves meeting a "popular character from Pat's world" leads me to believe this is a sex dungeon. If your going to make money for charity off of prostitution so be it.
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Dec 15, 2017 05:09
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The last line makes the entire thing even worse in retrospect. You start by assuming it’s a creepy talk about his creepy portrayal of women in his story, but then nope, it’s just him being oblivious and talking about how the hobbit is now a stripper
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Jan 23, 2018 17:05
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Its a perfectly enjoyable trash fiction read as long as you don't think to hard about the subtle/blatant misogyny
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Jan 23, 2018 18:00
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You clearly don't read enough trash fiction enough to recognize the enjoyable stuff. Enjoyment is subjective BoL, you can’t universally enforce your standards of acceptable enjoyment. I’ve read plenty of trash fiction that I haven’t enjoyed and plenty of ‘good writing (tm)’ that I equally did not enjoy. Your valid points on why NotW and WMF are poor literature can be true while not detracting from a persons enjoyment.
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Jan 23, 2018 19:13
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As defined by the invisible hand of the market good is a sliding scale of profit to more profit
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Jan 23, 2018 23:16
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Things We Will Find Out In Doors Of Stone: Denna is a Lackless and is the Maer's step-niece Denna marries Ambrose. Kvothe's kingkilling puts Ambrose on the throne, and Sim dead too. The Edema Ruh are the original Singers Denna's hair knot 'beautiful' was singer magic and actually did make her more beautiful. Singers power involve altering perception and the memory of events. Denna's song about Lanre, Selios, Tehlu et al will alter the worlds perception of history and screws with kvothe Denna eventually uses that same power to permanently get rid of her creepy stalker and inadvertently turns kvothe useless. Master Loren is a member of the Amyr, as are most senior archivists. And what I think would be good but is not going to happen: Kote isn't Kvothe, and Kvothe has definitely been dead for a long time, but Bast, Denna, and crew have been using some heavy duty perception altering magic to convince this dumb red head inn keep that he is in fact Kvothe, but more so that he can valiantly sacrifice himself as a redhering and distraction rather than because any of them want that rear end in a top hat back from the dead. Whoever was the Rothfus alt-account reading this thread I will gladly ghost write book 3 for free just so it can be done with and we can all go home and have some closure.
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Alternate Alternate ending: Kote the Tarbean orphan who escaped a life of poverty and once met denna on a caravan was never kvothe. Denna was the real daughter of the lackless runaway who hitched with an Edema Ruh, was the one who went to the university and does magic. Now they're crafting a stooge to take the heat of the law off Denna who killed a certain royal dandy. They're making the story of Kvothe up nearly from scratch based on all the men who chased Denna throughout her cursed life.
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Feb 1, 2018 15:42
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Read The Emperors Soul, if you don't like it you're forever lost to the world and going to claim "Genre fiction is trash" to your deathbed. You'll exclusively read high brow literature and still be constantly disappointed, but at least smugly disappointed, at it.
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Feb 2, 2018 21:07
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my bony fealty posted:Sure he's not a predictive text generating AI? No, thats American hero Chuck Tingle
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Feb 2, 2018 21:48
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Yes, because me and all his other fans enjoying his work is a waste of "art"
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Feb 3, 2018 03:06
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I am the one who enjoys Bad™ literature.
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Feb 14, 2018 06:53
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Sensibly one of the reasons LMM is taking a whole different story set in the world is that he thinks the world is cool but Rothfuss and Kvothe are awful. There are a ton of little ideas that make for a cool fantasy show under the hood.
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Feb 15, 2018 20:02
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PJOmega posted:I'm not asking this to insult, but what aspects of the world do you find cool? Absent the Chandrian and Magic As Physics what are the neat hooks that you see? Mostly Magic as Physics, which why would that be absent? The university as a visual place like Hogwarts (The archive, the mysteries that have simply been built over in age) The history of the war over fairy All the weird culturally unrealistic elements that make it schlocky fantasy (Adem wearing red and talking with hands, The talent pipes being a widely accepted mark of distinction, etc.)\ I'd much rather see a Craft Sequence series, as the "Magic as lawyering" is better and more integral to the plot.
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Feb 15, 2018 22:02
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Ghost writers ghosting writing for other ghost writers.
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Relax Or DIE posted:Mistborn moves faster but contentwise it's closer to two books worth of plot and one book giving you a step by step process every time magic is used. If normal people enjoy it it doesn’t get to be important literature. I’d say the only ‘good fantasy’ that gets suggested here I enjoyed was The Habitation of the Blessed.
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Apr 18, 2018 14:59
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It’s hyperbole because of how often popular books get thrashed in here. Bonfire of the genres and all that. For a book to be great it must be enjoyable to the bulk of the people who would be interested in the subject matter. Yet there is still noticeable elitism about genre fiction and certain popular authors. Mostly it’s unfounded snobbery. The rest of the time it’s right (eg Rothfuss)
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Apr 19, 2018 05:48
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Sham bam bamina! posted:This is why Dan Brown and Stephenie Meyer are the great authors of our time. You’re being disingenuous to my premise. Just because a book is popular doesn’t mean it’s great. But equally just because a a few people gush oversome obscure book doesn’t make that book great either. You can have the opinion that a book is fantastic, and that you wish it were popular. But unless that book actually appeals to a majority of readers who would normally appreciate the generalized content of the book then it cannot be great. To say that your opinion is better than that of peers regarding the same type of content is textbook elitism. I’m not referring to the megathreads in general. Nor to BotLs thread, although it’s a good example because it got a ton of posts from lots of people about their thoughts on literature. There is a notable number of posts to some variant of ‘author/series X is bad and you should just not read it despite it being often recommended.’ I love to read substantive criticism of books I enjoyed, but hollow scorn is depressing.
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Apr 19, 2018 18:37
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No, I’m restricting it to books that are successful within their target audience. That is not at all antithetical to creative expression because creative expression is independent from commercial success. Your opinion on a works ‘greatness’ is your own, if that opinion is reflected among similar peers than maybe it really is a great work of art. Your subjective opinion alone is not enough to declare something good or bad, and you individually do not get to decide for everybody else.
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Tim Burns Effect posted:what was moby dick's target audience Let’s keep this generic: people who enjoy reading stories Is it great? Ehh. Not to me. But it is taught because as a work is has content that is beneficial to teach. So now it’s target audience is students, a field in which the content presented makes a meaningful impact. A field in which the peers of the field have bulk consent on its status as great work. And yet as a work of fiction moby dick isn’t particularly great, and was a total flop. I can understand why too, despite being taught it, I don’t enjoy it as a work. Hence Moby dick today is great because it’s a success in its modern target audience (academia).
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Apr 19, 2018 19:18
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Jesus Christ. Scathing commentary. A book is not great just because it is well written. A painting is not great just because it’s well painted. Nor are either great by content alone. All these forms of creative works must have some mix of characteristics of quality and content that are acknowledged as good by those experiencing it. It’s a venn diagram, and no one lobe alone makes it great. Quality, content, these are fixed at printing, and peer appreciation which changes over time. If nobody likes your esoteric book then it isn’t great, it’s just you who likes it.
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Apr 19, 2018 19:52
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Sham bam bamina! posted:So what you were trying to say (in the most obtuse way imaginable) was that greatness involves not just quality but influence. That would be a fair point, except that you conflated quality, influence, and greatness in the first place when you complained that people were wrong in "thrashing" popular books. Nobody needs this BS. This came from people thrashing the lists of ‘great fiction’ that weren’t very great. Yes obviously the lists were mostly fluff but dismissing all the books on it for being popular. Not all popular books are good. Not all good books are popular. But the ~greatest book of all time~ is not too great if nobody else shares that opinion. There is some nebulous threshold for popularity and acknowledgement to cross into greatness
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chernobyl kinsman posted:i use a lot of hyperbole when i post but i want you to know that i am being totally sincere when i say that in my eleven years on this forum i have never, not once, seen a dumber post than this Ok let’s unpack this a little more. Moby dick was a critical and financial flop when it was originally published. I infer this is because it missed its target of the average reader of fiction. I don’t particularly like Moby Dick, and know plenty of people who don’t partially like it. The book hasn’t changed since it was written obviously, so there is some coherence to peer opinion there. It did however get chosen to be great by a quara of other authors and literary scholars decades after publishing, finally having found its audience. So even though my opinion differs from the popular thought, it is a great book.
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Max Gladstone’s Craft sequence is the example I would use of a magic system that stays pretty mystical and obtuse whike still being integral to the story and the setting. The whole thing stems from the core concept that people pay debts with fractions of their soul and thugs start to get mystical when your soul bank account starts getting big. It still has a lot of structure without going into Sanderson level described mechanics.
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Jun 13, 2018 06:57
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Chuck Tingle is a national treasure.
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Jul 22, 2018 03:53
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Wow, the use of dumb pop culture should insta-decline that proposal.
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Oct 16, 2018 17:55
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Soda also disgusts me. Have you also considered destroying whoville so that they no longer are allowed the enjoyment of Christmas carols?
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Nov 16, 2018 20:00
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Every reason you just used for major stormlight characters are the same sort of surface level criticism that can be leveled at Ged in earthsea? Its another good book, but Le Guin isn't some height of literary genius for it.
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Nov 17, 2018 06:33
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For the editor it is surely great in that it makes them rich.
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Mar 21, 2021 16:05
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Sanderson is open and forthcoming about criticisms. And seeing as he writes for hours a day every day because he treats it as his full time job AND has shown a slow and steady improvement over the last 16 years I think it’s completely valid to say he’s a good author. Not the best author, but nobody starts out publishing peerless perfection. With Sanderson you get what he promises you
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Mar 22, 2021 19:33
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I enjoy Sanderson and respect him as an author. I vaguely enjoy Rothfuss but don’t respect him as an author. People can enjoy things and being mad about them isn’t healthy.
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Oh dear, the 2M subscriber Pixer/Harry Potter focused Carlin brothers channel are now promoting Rothfuss as good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ9B3_jMFkY "In the second book there are some amorous situations to be aware of, they aren't like horribly explicate but they are there" 
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