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Atlas Hugged posted:The thing that gets me about Rothfuss fandom is that there's just so little to be a fan of. He's written two novels and a smattering of short stories, all in the same world, and maintains a blog. I think he's done some podcasting? Plus there's the various Kickstarters he's participated in. And all of it is set in the same world. I spent a six hour drive with a woman and her boyfriend listening to her extoll the virtues of NotW. She also tried to get her roommate to read the Sword of Truth books by Goodkind. She was also trying to jump from her boyfriend to me and was a hardcore masochist in to BDSM. Wait I'm starting to see a pattern.
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Oct 9, 2017 01:23
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:So what was it that caused the books to be liked by so many people after the first read like myself and, I’m assuming, a bunch of other people in this thread? The audiobook is beautifully narrated and sounds lovely on first pass. Beyond that I got nothing.
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Oct 10, 2017 07:36
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Imgur has weekly shrines to the "Kingkiller Chronicles, best book series I've ever read. Right up there with literary masterpieces like the Sword of Truth and Sword of Shannara series."
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Oct 20, 2017 17:39
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Kchama posted:Yeah it's one of those things where it's very obvious poor writing. And then you get to Tarbean where Kvothe forgets he knows magic, Ben stops existing, and Kvothe forgets he has amazing wilderness survival skills and decides to stay in a city that hates him instead of hanging out in the woods like he did before without any trouble. Tarbean made no sense with its timeline. And I know it fits with the rest of the dreck, but it was so jarring that it stood out against the heavy recommendations I had received for the books. He has no reason to be in Tarbean for even a week, much less the months (years?) he spends there. It's abject misery, a poor fantasy boy's travelogue adventure that seemed and seems to be from an entirely different series. Much like the bulk of Book 2.
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Oct 20, 2017 17:47
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:I just enjoy how the plot is supposedly the Amyr and Chandrian, but there's so little of that. I still love what another poster wrote, and it would be the best thing in these books by far. When Chronicler casually mentions he pissed his Aunt off with the Mayor* and Kvothe stops and goes "oh poo poo she was my aunt?" *Is it really spelled Mayor? I figured it was Meijer or something. Audio book problems.
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Oct 21, 2017 01:32
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Kchama posted:THREE YEARS. Three years he was there! And he basically made no attempt to find either of the guys who could or would adopt him. Yeah, I think that theory is pretty on the nose. Every writer has random thought pieces they'll jot down. It would explain the lack of magic. The lack of relevance to the world at large. The difference in world feel. Same with, as you mentioned, the fake not-gypsies. Or world war 1 in the forest. Or sex ninjas. Or sex faery. Or love and war in the time of Go. They're all tonally dissonant and feel like they were written as separate pieces that got round pegged into the square hole that is his "completed three book epic."
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Oct 21, 2017 01:35
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Cicero posted:At least the series spawned a rad game: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LFA7QFK/ It's a beautiful game.
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Oct 25, 2017 02:52
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TychoCelchuuu posted:https://www.avclub.com/lin-manuel-mirandas-kingkiller-chronicle-series-is-head-1819889989 quote:The show is not a straight adaptation of The Kingkiller Chronicle—that’s what the films are for—but rather will take place in the same world a generation before the events of the books Ffs. quote:“Pat Rothfuss’ Kingkiller books are among the most read and re-read in our home,” Miranda said in an earlier press release. “It’s a world you want to spend lifetimes in, as his many fans will attest. Pat also writes about the act of makingmusic more beautifully than any novelist I’ve ever read. I can’t wait to play a part in bringing this world to life onscreen.” Isn't this the same person who made Hamilton's music?
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Oct 26, 2017 23:41
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Dienes posted:Rothfuss has reviewed hundreds of books on Goodreads, and those that he's bothered to give a star rating are nearly always 5-stars. It really reeks of someone trying to suck up to other authors. Wooooooooooooooooooooooow. quote:You know what Eloise reminds me of? She reminds me of a stereotypical American. The sort of American that people believe in over in Germany and Spain and China. She is loud, spoiled, rude, and entitled. Also somebody touched the poop.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:50
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the old ceremony posted:my hate for rothfuss has become quite personal He's the gooniest loving goon. I wonder what his screenname is
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Oct 29, 2017 20:59
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The only way this isn't the most "what the gently caress bullshit" is if he considers doing writing passes as "reading." For a good author I could see redoing paragraphs a few dozen times, even if it's only editing a few words at a time. Of course, I don't think Rothfuss' writing regimine is quite so thorough, so what in the ever loving gently caress is this bullshit?
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Oct 31, 2017 19:13
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Dienes posted:LKH was less the editor and more the tumultuous divorce. Don't write you and your hubby as the main character and love interest in a book series, folks. By the same token an editor with greater control could have tightened the reins and told LKH no. Though I guess they're still selling well so who knows.
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Nov 6, 2017 19:23
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from the comments posted:I loved the “Name of the Wind” more than I have ever loved a book and I am a voracious reader. I used to regularly reread it every year or two. This person reminds me of the morbidly obese person who goes to the gym religiously every day for years and doesn't lose weight. They're convinced that going to the gym, putting the treadmill at 0.5 mph for thirty minutes will cancel out their otherwise sedentary lifestyle and poo poo diet. Rereading NotW 6+ times? That's loving lunacy!
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Nov 9, 2017 18:32
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ulmont posted:The thread needs to see this. I can't even be angry at the author of this hack job. It's literally ad copy for people who believe they're smarter than other people because they read, even if what they're reading is garbage.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:33
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Ornamented Death posted:It was published by DAW. It's akin to open mic night. You don't dare criticize anyone else, because it leaves you open to being criticized in turn. NotW doesn't really commit any new crimes insofar as the genre is concerned. It simply lays them bare where in other books you might have to brush off a layer of dirt.
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Nov 11, 2017 03:15
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:I really want to sit down with one of the bafflingly large number of people comparing Rothfuss to Tolkien and have them have them give me a detailed breakdown on exactly what about it is Tolkienesque beyond just being fantasy. "I liked Tolkien therefore I'm not like the other plebes who were unable to appreciate his genius. I liked Name of the Wind therefore it's a good book like Tolkien."
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Nov 12, 2017 18:35
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Atlas Hugged posted:Anyone interested in an opportunity to combine Penny Arcade fans, all things Patrick Rothfuss, and two hours of live action roleplaying? Isn't this basically an escape room with an extra layer of cruft?
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Dec 15, 2017 01:46
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Solice Kirsk posted:They're donating less than 10% of ticket sales. That is crazy. Who do they think they are, NFL Breast Cancer Awareness merchandise?
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Dec 15, 2017 08:08
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latinotwink1997 posted:This thread is like the written form of that pretentious douche from Good Will Hunting that gets slammed on by Matt Damon. Biggest circle jerk ever with no redeeming discussion on a bad book. Thread should be closed and stop taking up TBB space. JivJov, you didn't need to rereg to throw in your hot take.
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Dec 30, 2017 17:26
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eXXon posted:. He's a redditor trying to argue that egalitarianism is needed because if women are denied opportunities they'll use their APPEARANCE to be WHORES instead of falling in LOVE with NICE GUYS. Mix in some hypergamy, biotruths, "I'd be a feminist but SJWs have ruined it," and memes and he'd fit right into most internet conversations. It could've been a good commentary on divides in gender and class but like so much else in these books it falls so astonishingly short of the goal it's hard to tell where it was originally aimed.
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Jan 1, 2018 19:04
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That is still such a loving creepy post to see someone proudly affix their name to.
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Jan 23, 2018 16:57
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On a tangentially related note is there a good write-up/analysis of Book of the New Sun? I mainlined them as audiobooks and they were wonderful but holy hell is my mind not wrapped around what I listened to. I know there are levels that I'm not even aware of.
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Jan 23, 2018 20:37
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Ah, the paradox of enjoying trash versus calling something enjoyable trash.
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Jan 23, 2018 20:39
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It's funny/sad seeing all the people happily saying they've read the first two books multiple times and praising him as an author without equal in the literary world. No wonder he'll never publish the third book. He knows he's a hack who got lucky and can never, ever live up to what his audience is invested in believing.
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Jan 24, 2018 04:08
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:Pretty much. I can count the number of books I've put down unfinished on one hand, but as I stopped being a teenager I realized just how bad Rothfuss actually was. No one has called him out on anything. Not in a way he's actually addressed or at risk of addressing. The man has his cult that will continue to praise him ceaselessly. They're nerds. They're defined by their consumption. If they acknowledge something they have defended is bad it would cause so much dissonance that they simply might cease to exist.
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Jan 27, 2018 08:35
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my bony fealty posted:Apparently the show cuts out the stupid Randian bullshit and is mostly a generic fantasy story that's vaguely based on the books Nah, she's on the money. The books are hot garbage but the series is camp that's basically Hercules or Xena Lite.
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Jan 31, 2018 21:36
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Sanderson is utilitarian to an extreme. It feels like an RPG rulebook turned into a fiction series for the type of person to whom empathy is a superpower. They're perfectly serviceable books. But if I learn that Sanderson is actually a sophisticated Markov Chain generator I wouldn't be surprised.
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Feb 2, 2018 23:36
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Khizan posted:Sanderson is the textbook definition of quantity over quality, imo. To be fair, he's also not bad. Neither his writing or his personal history (afaik) are problematic. In an industry that is rife with hosed up authors writing dog whistle screeds on issues they know nothing on that alone garners value. Reading Sanderson's latest doorstopper won't improve your life much. It also doesn't push hosed up ideas on race or religion or economics or philosophy. It's entertainment for entertainment's sake. It's a way to fill time. At worst it is aggressively mediocre. And even mediocrity can have moments of brilliance.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:This is pure equivocation. A billion pages of imaginary rules do not stop being bad simply by virtue of not specifically being morally offensive. You're right, your posting is bad. Or at least this post of yours is. As I said, his writing is mediocre. It is white bread. It fills without nutrition. It is a perfect encapsulation of the mire that genre fiction has willingly entered to the tune of their audience's consumption. The audience which will gleefully consume the nth iteration of The Hero's Journey because they are chasing a nostalgia hit from when their life and by extension the world was simpler. It also is largely empty of the standard pitfalls of the genre, from what I've listened to. (Mistborn 1-3, first two books of his doorstopper with Magic Jedi and power armor that I can't remember the name of). There are few if any damsels in distress. There isn't weirdly transparent uncomfortable racial castes. Genders are treated as equal. Societies are merit based. It tackles social class issues and immobility. In these ways it is refreshing. As was stated earlier the greatest crime that art can commit is mediocrity. And I do agree with that. But, and this is a significant but, I do not consider most of our entertainment to be art though we are poorer for it. Not in the culture we are part of. We are a culture of consumption. Endless consumption. A day doesn't go by without it. It is twisted into our lives, largely as a vehicle of advertisement. Both of products and of lifestyles. Art challenges an audience. It evokes emotion. It evokes feeling. It's difficult to truly digest. You have to roll it around in your mind. Revisit it multiple times, from various viewpoints. You have to take time to think on it. And that is antithetical to our culture. The cult of the new. Always be producing so we can always be consuming. Even the artists in the entertainment industry have to face the fact that it is an industry. That their creative is always going to class with those who demand conversion rates, market share, price per million metrics and the bottom line of how much money will it make. There are many people who have written on this more eloquently and with greater depth than I care to in this moment. It's something that is way beyond the scope of this conversation or even this thread. Hell, maybe even this forum. But in the end, I will gladly put Sanderson above Rothfuss. A 14 year old absorbjng Sanderson is going to simply be along for a book that compresses and strips down a lot of genre fiction conventions. That same 14 year old consuming Rothfuss is going to have some really hosed ideas regarding what is normal. To say nothing about that 14 year old instead consuming Goodkind or Ringo.
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Karnegal posted:. Good post overall, but I swear this is more of a genre thing. Most genre fiction protagonists are as chaste as a Hallmark holiday special. I get that they're predominantly written for teenage boys but it's really interesting.
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Feb 3, 2018 07:49
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Khizan posted:No, that doesn't add value. All it does is avoid reducing it. You and Sham Bam done sucking each other off in an attempt to prove who is the least original?
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Habibi posted:Now if it would just happen to SMG... I thought SMG entered into the forum code and couldn't be purged without finally killing this dead comedy forum? That would explain why he hasn't seen any new film in the last few years. Not that it ever stops him from trying to give his sophomore year analysis of whatever is on theatres. Edit: Isn't it just a new iteration of the Bevets bot from Fark?
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Feb 14, 2018 07:07
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Evil Fluffy posted:
Thank you! I was still riding the exultant praise that this book received from one of my flings. The first book was passable but well narrated. I really thought that the big reveal was going to be exactly as you said, this doctor was a pretender much like Kvothe and the difficulty would be stopping the poisoning, saving the face of his doctor, and playing them both to gain favor. Instead it was the most bog standard "being poisoned by an advisor and only I am smart enough to catch it" thing. If it hadn't been for four hours of commuting a day I'd have deleted the audio book then. In hindsight I wish I had.
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Feb 14, 2018 20:51
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HIJK posted:The hilarious part is when fans try to defend the horrid musician bits though you can say that about the entire book really What's astonishing is Lin-Manuel Miranda praising Rothfuss's writing of music. It's loving bizarro world.
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Feb 14, 2018 23:14
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Nakar posted:Considering it restricts the range of your instrument, wouldn't most people in an audience be okay with a musician taking fifteen seconds to switch out an instrument in order to continue a great performance rather than watch them struggle to produce a workable performance with busted poo poo? Even that would be a bitch and a half, as playing an unfamiliar instrument on the fly would be impressive. Rothfuss wrote about music in much the same way anyone who isn't in an artistic discipline writes about it. It's all about feel, putting your will into the work, etc, etc. It's lazy magic. There's no talk of forethought. Of visualizing. Of the loving work that goes into planning to turn, for example, a block of stone into a sculpture. In Rothfussian writing, anyone who can't sculpt is simply lacking the artistic spirit. Every person could outshine Rodin if they only wanted to badly enough. I admit I don't know music. I barely know sculpture but I know it better than music. I wouldn't dream of writing a musician without a lot of research. Rothfuss treats it like lovely magic, in that if you're special enough your capital w Will will overcome any obstacle.
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Feb 15, 2018 18:09
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M_Gargantua posted:Sensibly one of the reasons LMM is taking a whole different story set in the world is that he thinks the world is cool but Rothfuss and Kvothe are awful. There are a ton of little ideas that make for a cool fantasy show under the hood. I'm not asking this to insult, but what aspects of the world do you find cool? Absent the Chandrian and Magic As Physics what are the neat hooks that you see?
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Feb 15, 2018 20:27
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So It Goes posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/87h2uf/patrick_rothfuss_released_the_name_of_the_wind_11/?st=JF9ZTB7L&sh=a8030292 quote:Well I think it's a masterpiece OP. If something has that much of an effect on you personally it is. The internet was a mistake.
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Patrick Rothfuss, a Grown Man posted:I love Rick and Morty with a powerful love, and I’ve played D&D since the 5th grade. So when they approached me about writing a story with both of them together? That’s some serious you-got-chocolate-in-my-peanut butter $#!& right there. I’m in. I’m all the way in. I’m gettin’ that chocolate all up in the peanut butter. Like, deep in. All the way in. It’s going to be sticky and delicious.
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Ccs posted:Rothfuss' book topped another list of best fantasy novels (of the 21st century.) https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/04/the-50-best-fantasy-novels-of-the-21st-century.html?p=2 The rest are insulting but this is aggregious.
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