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Atlas Hugged posted:The Sanderson thread got mad at me once for pointing out that the only sex explicitly messaged in Mistborn is rape which as a result causes the book to be not just weirdly asexual, but openly sex-negative. It should be pointed out that rape is given as much screentime as "normal" sex, namely zero. It's mostly implied and brought up as backstory, and it's not the seeming backstory of every (female) character like in Sword of Truth.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I disagree. Sex that isn't rape is implied once (and then only after marriage). Every other time it's rape brothels where the girls are murdered if they get pregnant. This is actually a major plot point as the girls that escape are the ones responsible for giving birth to the magic users who aren't in the nobility (another part of the bad guy's plan in book 1). Perhaps I wasn't clear. There's no on-screen rape in Mistborn. There's not even direct threats of on-screen rape against one of the characters, apart from technically being slaves in a society where slaves in the outlying villages are in danger of being raped. Compare that to ASOIAF.
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Atlas Hugged posted:In the universe of Mistborn, as depicted by the text, it's rape brothels where the unfortunate peasant victims are either executed or their bastard children are hunted down by demonic inquisitors to be sacrificed in a horrific blood magic ritual. Or you get to sleep naked after you get married. But Mistborn is unusually bleak. Off the top of my head, I can't really recall any similar situations in the other books, or even Wax & Wayne era Mistborn. fake edit: Now that I think about it, Vivienne might have barely escaped being raped. And the whole arranged marriage thing with Susebron was weird, escpecially how he didn't know about sex at all Okay, maybe he does have an unhealthy opinion of sex. But to me, it doesn't really affect the quality of his books. Unlike Sword of Truth for example, where no book is complete without Kalan being under constant threat of rape. Or the amazingly horrible first time that she has sex with Richard. Or being raped by proxy through the magic connection to Nicci, etc.
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ulmont posted:Good news, guys! At least the comments under this article are as disillusioned as we are, which is surprising since it's usually the fanboys that post at tor.com.
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Reene posted:City of Brass was alright. It needed some polish, and I expect the next one to be better in that respect. You should have started with Mistborn. I love the Stormlight Archive books, but right now only three of the planned ten books are out, with the rest planned to be released over the next 20 years! Besides, there are minor gay characters both in the Mistborn and Stormlight books. He's no Terry Goodkind, he won't push his political/religious beliefs on you through his books. His works do deal with religion, but which fantasy books with proven-to-exist gods don't? The only noticeable influence of his Mormonism otherwise is the absence of explicit sex scenes, and an inability to write realistically about people being drunk. I don't mind the latter, and I appreciate the absence of rape and overly graphic violence. You might still think the books suck, but as a gay dude, I think these books are all right for LGBT people. And if you look at Wayne and his ease in (even internally) assuming the identity of women when going undercover, plus his unconcern with his shapeshifter love interest sometimes physically being a man (and technically being genderless to begin with), I think Sanderson's writing is all right for queer people. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 13:00 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Let's assume that we do have a desert full of porcelain-white humans and that the reason is because there's no UV radiation in sunlight. What does a world without UV radiation even look like, and why does it still have humans? And if it looks the same, then you're changing a fundamental quality of the universe for no reason except to contrive the most trivial of cosmetic details. It's idiocy either way. This is dumb as poo poo. Real world desert dwellers are not all deep black. The famous Sahara Bedouins are mostly of Arabic descent and as such a lot lighter than most sub-Saharan Africans. Many people living in and around the Mojave desert in the USA are quite white. If for some reason your fantasy desert dwellers have only lily white pseudo-European ancestors, reaching just medieval tech levels (not to mention any magic they may possess) would likely be enough to avoid evolutionary pressure that would turn them much darker. Not to mention that it matters how long ago your fantasy whites settled the desert. Lactose tolerance is a mutation about 7000 years old and has spread to a significant share of the world population, and geneticists are still amazed how incredibly fast it spread. If the fantasy desert was settled "just" a thousand years ago, then that's not very long in evolutionary timetables (for humans). That said, if not only your (noble) desert people but also the rest of the main nations are filled with whites, while the non-whites are in far away countries and/or are the villains, then it's no question it's racist.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:You're proving my point. These are all real-world cases, not the arbitrary rule-breaking that I was talking about. Maybe I should have been clearer and said "ad-hoc justifications like these" or something, but there's a chasm of difference between saying, "These desert-dwellers have light skin because they settled recently," and "These desert-dwellers have light skin because... uh... magic makes the color black work different." That's all I was getting at. (Also, I specifically used "porcelain-white" as my example because, no matter how white someone can get, they're going to tan if they live in the desert unless they're constantly indoors or otherwise protected.) Oh, I've misread you. Yeah, you are right about that. One thing I love about Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive is that you can get halfway through the first book, until they describe the look of the Shin people. Who have unusually light skin color and unnaturally round eyes... and you realize that every main character except Szeth (he's Shin) is Asian 
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Why not simply read East Asian literature instead of genre garbage? I'm reading the Naruto manga (now with his son), does that count?
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Benson Cunningham posted:Because the only reason to invite a pizza delivery guy inside is to gently caress them. It's incredibly inconsiderate to their fantasies to invite them inside for any other reasons. Like to look at a board game. That's an option? I've never hosed a pizza delivery guy! 
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Atlas Hugged posted:And yet one of these streaming services has gone all in on gritty fantasy, having begun production on The Wheel of Time and Lord of the loving Rings. ? How is Wheel of Time and especially Lord of the Rings gritty fantasy? 
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Atlas Hugged posted:Do you honestly think they're going to be cheery romps? Perhaps it's a matter of semantics? What's your definition of gritty fantasy? To be honest, I couldn't give you a definition of what I think "gritty fantasy" means. But for me, Joe Abercrombie writes gritty fantasy, J.R.R. Tolkien did not.
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Ccs posted:The executives greenlighting these fantasy series are idiots. They went "Hey everyone likes Game of Thrones, let's make that type of show!" That's a strange complaint. No matter how much GoT changed the fantasy genre, it's not half as influential as LotR. Additionally, the Middle-earth setting is very popular, as seen in the success of the LotR and The Hobbit films, or games like Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. That's a big market to be tapped, and I doubt a series in that setting does badly if it's halfway decently done.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Compared Fixed that for you. Sanderson caters to different tastes. Personally, I enjoy both of them (Abercrombie and Sanderson) a lot.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Dalinar is not complex. A character is not automatically complex because a bunch of random poo poo happens to them. Shallan is not complex because she has three personalities crammed into a bad pun machine body. In the same way that Rothfuss has these naive views about women- attempting to champion feminism while constantly putting his foot in his mouth- Sanderson's characters reveal that he is naive about all kinds of poo poo and just beginning to work through it. Watching his character's stumble through awkward conversations about it being okay to be gay or transgendered or whatever social issue he most recently figured out Mormons were wrong about is loving painful. How would you rate Hrathen?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Even just a bit of sense would tell you that Abercrombie and Sanderson are as bad as Rothfuss. Ah I see, you haven't read Sanderson.
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Nov 20, 2018 22:06
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I can't even remember any unnecessary apostrophes in Sanderson's writings.
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Doctor Faustine posted:https://www.ohjoysextoy.com/patrick-rothfus-charity-comic/ Lol, this is real. I thought it was a parody, but that's really Rothfuss.
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I'm still amused that Brandon Sanderson originally wanted to name his third Stormlight Archive book "Stones Unhallowed", but then decided not to do it. Because he didn't want to "compete" with the upcoming Doors of Stone by his friend Rothfuss. Partly for that reason, he decided to push back Szeth's flashback chapters to book 5, which made it possible to rename the book (Szeth is the one main character who comes from the culture that considers naked stone holy). So Sanderson's third Stormligh book was called Oathbringer instead, and has been out for a little more than a year. He recently posted a writing plan update on his blog, and aims to release Stormlight 4 roughly at the end of 2020. Which is consistent with his intent to release one Stormligh Archive book every three years. So what are the chances that the new Stones Unhallowed book will still face potential competition from Doors of Stone in 2023? Answer: None, because Rothfuss will never release the third Name of the Wind book.
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Kchama posted:So anything been going on with these books? It kind of feels like everyone has slowly stopped caring about them entirely. What is there to care about? If no new books are coming out, and they also cancelled the planned tv show, then there's not a lot to talk about.
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Kchama posted:I really have no idea what's going to happen in The Doors of Stone. Not a bit. And that's not like, because Rothfuss has crafted a good mystery or anything. It's because the previous two books were so disjointed that I can't really figure out what might happen beyond the obvious stuff. Like, a king's gonna die. Who is the king? We have no clue. We don't even know what country the king will be from. We can guess 'Vintas', as it's the only country in the setting that we know anything about, and we know that it has a king. We can suppose that it's either Ambrose or Simms, likely Ambrose judging by all of the stories of him murdering the people ahead of him in line for the throne. Wait, are Ambrose and Simms in line for the same throne? Also both Ambrose and Simms are poets and yadda yadda he has a sword whose name means 'line break in poem' or something. There's probably also something with the Lackless door of stone.
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Benson Cunningham posted:Sanderson characters are learning basic morality as Sanderson himself learns it and it's loving insufferable. You can criticize Sanderson for his character writing, but comparing Sanderson's characters learning basic morality to Goodkind characters learning basic morality is pretty strange. What basic morals do Goodkind characters even learn? Capitalism is good, socialism/gun control/pacifism is bad?
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Tree Dude posted:Do you think LOTR is immune or is this Amazon series also doomed? If that fails we'll probably never get another fantasy adaptation again. LOTR has a lot of material to be mined for more stories. The Silmarillion alone probably has enough content to make a dozen films or a lot of series. And there are a lot of Tolkien fans out there, or even just fans who enjoyed the LOTR and The Hobbit films. And one positive aspect of the Silmarillion is that it's basically just a summary of all the poo poo that happened, showrunners would have a lot of freedom how they want to tell those stories. I think they're going with Numenor IIRC, and all that the Silmarillion had to say about it was basically "it was founded by one of the two half-elves, was a bastion of the forces of good, until Sauron came and corrupted them, then the Valar sank the island, and the last pure Numenorans founded Gondor (and Arnor)". Torrannor fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Nov 2, 2019 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Legolas was born early on in the 3rd age so as long as they stick to stuff like the fall of Gondolin or Numenor we're safe from him. That wouldn't be a big problem. She was one of the oldest elves in Middle Earth. If the series focuses on Numenor, it wouldn't cover the things where Galadriel was the most involved in (Feanor's creation of the Silmarils, the Kinslaying, Elu Thingol closing his realm to most of the Noldor, overthrowing the Witch King, etc.), but I personally wouldn't mind a cameo.
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I made a startling discovery: https://twitter.com/paolini/status/1253068581270683649 Is it only me, or does Paolini look like a younger Rothfuss? What is it with authors of bad fantasy and this specific hobo-look?
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Daric posted:Sanderson isn’t even able to write most of his own books anymore. He’s using partner authors to write most of the non-cosmere books while he focuses on Stormlight. Ornamented Death posted:That's not even remotely true. I get that Sanderson isn't popular around here, but don't just make poo poo up to fit your narrative. Yes. Also, that sentence is just dumb on a basic level. Even if Sanderson had contracted out his non-Cosmere books, he's still releasing one main Stormlight book every 3-4 years (each clocking in over 1000 pages!), and that alone would be more than many other authors are doing. But he's also releasing Stormlight novellas and Mistborn books in between, which makes it more like at least one book every two years. And the Cosmere books obviously constitute what any fan thinks of as "most of his books", and they of course make the most money. This is just stupid Sanderson bashing.
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Daric posted:Then I apologize, in my drunken stupor I made the wrong word choice. Either way, it looks like outside of Cosmere stuff, Sanderson will only be doing collaborations with other authors. He's certainly not going to write a Doors of Stone or the rest of the Game of Thrones novels or anything else people keep throwing his name out there for. In that blog post he says if he continues writing Cosmere novels at the current speed he has been, he'll be 74 by the time they're finished. That's obviously not ideal, so my original point about him not even having time to write his own non-cosmere books still stands. I see, this makes more sense. I definitely misunderstood you then. We'll see whether he can pull off writing all his Cosmere books, rich people can live a pretty long life nowadays.
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Just saw this in a Wheel of Time review blog, badass grandpa Thom Merrilin is a king killing bard (he killed king Galldrian), and he had a girlfriend named Dena... The book where Dena turned up (before being killed) was released 1990, so long before Rothfuss published anything.
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TV Zombie posted:Doors of Stone ftfy
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M_Gargantua posted:Ok it'll be a bit of fun The Aiel are cool and good, but if you reduce them to their most basic, they are obviously Fremen, or at least strongly Fremen inspired. Not to excuse Pat's deficiencies as a writer, but cribbing from work of previous authors has been a fantasy standard for I think all of it's existence as a genre.
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https://twitter.com/PatrickRothfuss/status/1466626997673730048 https://twitter.com/PatrickRothfuss/status/1466628791271407622 I can't even anymore. His charity is the one that pays him a ton of money for managing it, wasn't it? Perhaps he needs money. At least he seems to have some very little of Doors of Stone written, which is slight progress I suppose.
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Even if you think Sanderson writes trash, today's announcement really puts Pat's complete failure to produce anything but the most trite side stories to Kingkiller in the last ten years into a really stark perspective. Edit: Writing 4 additional books due to having more free time because of the pandemic, and releasing all of them in one year (2023), while also releasing a big, regularly scheduled book in November 22 is should really shame Pat into finishing Kingkiller 3. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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Hughmoris posted:Yeah, Sanderson seems like a cool dude and I wish him success but his writing never clicked for me. If I had my choice of whom finished the WoT series, it would be Abercrombie > Rothfuss > GRRM > Sanderson. That's a bit surprising. I think Sanderson was generally the right choice to finish WoT. Robert Jordan used in-universe swear words, and sex was nearly always fade to black. And while there's some violence, it's always a bit understated. Sanderson was well suited to WoT. I really love a lot of Abercrombie's works, but his style is imho too different from Jordan's. Also a bit lol at the mere concept of Rothfuss or GRRM finishing another author's series.
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Goffer posted:I guess they both wrote about a matriarchal culture of sex ninjas. Paul has been dead for at least 5000 years or so by the time of the "arrival" of the Honored Matres, so there are no points to score here. Also, the thing with a Duncan clone loving the Honored Matres into servitude (which is not actually what happens, but that doesn't matter, and what happens is pretty lolworthy regardless) was written by a hack years after Herbert's death, so this doesn't elevate Rothfuss' trash compared to Herbert's masterpieces, either.
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Goffer posted:Ugh, made me look it up again: As anilEhilated wrote, nobody thinks Dune 5 and 6 are good. But that summary is also wrong, because he basically rocks Murbella's world so much that she falls in love with him iirc, so it's not exactly enslavement. Nevertheless, that specific scene was for sure one of the lowest points in a book full of them, so I'm not defending it at all. I'm not even prepared to argue that these books are better than NotW or WMF. But Dune 1 is a classic for a reason, and Paul is a thousand times better as a character than Kvothe. Edit: Slight tangent, but God Emperor is a fantastic book imho.
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poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:Yes but Torrannor said "Herbert's masterpieces," of which Heretics is decidedly not one. I admit I was confused, I can't keep the timeline of post-God Emperor straight, and can't recall off the top of my head which books were written by Herbert and which were written by that Star Wars writer.
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