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There's a framing around the OVA set in 'present-day' with Chise and Elias being on good terms and him obviously caring for her, so in that sense it certainly drains the tension of the first anime episode since you already know why Elias is buying her and that his intentions are good. So I think maybe it would be better to at least wait until after watching episode 1 before going to the OVA.
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Genocyber posted:Elias Ainsworth (CV: Ryouta Takeuchi)
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Everyone should watch the OVA, it's really well done and helps contextualize Chise's mindset at the beginning of the show. I'm in agreement here. If I didn't watch the OVA first, I would have been really uncomfortably blindsided by the opening of episode 1. After seeing Chise's past in the OVA, it makes a lot more sense.  Show is A+ for me so far, absolutely watching the whole thing. OnimaruXLR posted:I like it because he looks like Snoopy when it happens Tarezax posted:Elias is secretly a moe character 
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Seems like they could have excised slavery entirely and still achieved what it was going for.
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Blank Construct posted:Seems like they could have excised slavery entirely and still achieved what it was going for. Not really. It sets out that Chise is severely self-destructive, and that the broader magical community is not a very nice place. Both of these will be important going forwards.
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There are multitudes of other ways of showing a character is self destructive my dude.
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I mean, this is talking about things to come but: it comes up plot-wise later, and you'd have to do some re-writing of Elias' and Chise's relationship if you did. For the plot of The Ancient Magus' Bride, you actually could not have the same story without starting it off like it does.
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This only changes the context slightly, but I thought it was clear that she wasn't being sold as a slave, but as a collector 's item. An exotic pet. No one was expecting to get actual work out of her, they just wanted to own a rare and valuable sleigh beggy.
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Clarste posted:This only changes the context slightly, but I thought it was clear that she wasn't being sold as a slave, but as a collector 's item. An exotic pet. No one was expecting to get actual work out of her, they just wanted to own a rare and valuable sleigh beggy. That's still pretty much a slave though? I mean does it really matter what she was intended to do if she was still in bondage?
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Oct 12, 2017 17:26
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Blank Construct posted:There are multitudes of other ways of showing a character is self destructive my dude. Not many others that show the great and the good of her new world happily going along with her self-destruction, though.
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Oct 12, 2017 18:02
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Periodic reminder that Depiction Is Not Necessarily Endorsement
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I'm trying to articulate my feelings on the matter and they boil down to approval at the way the relationship is handled. On the surface yeah, "slave-wife" is ewww. In the larger story, I'm glad that the power imbalance never devolves into some Twilight poo poo with Chise just biting her lip and going along with the things Elias does that she doesn't agree with, having no opinions or agency. Especially in that most recent chapter, drat.
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Oct 12, 2017 19:11
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:That's still pretty much a slave though? I mean does it really matter what she was intended to do if she was still in bondage? Large spoiler in regards to nature of the auction She was auctioned exotic magical specimen, with all that implies, Elias actually keeping her alive is regarded as unusual
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Yak of Wrath posted:Large spoiler in regards to nature of the auction On the bright side, she was entitled to a share of her price--assuming she didn't just get broken down for parts.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Periodic reminder that Depiction Is Not Necessarily Endorsement Does the story engage with the topic of institutionalised slavery or human trafficking beyond cheap shock value? Because from what has been said in the thread it seems doubtful. Blank Construct fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Blank Construct posted:Does the story engage with the topic of institutionalised slavery or human trafficking beyond cheap shock value? Because from what has been said in the thread it seems doubtful. I don't know because I've only watched the first episode, but I am prepared to give an anticipated show more than ~25 minutes to make its case
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Blank Construct posted:Does the story engage with the topic of institutionalised slavery or human trafficking beyond cheap shock value? Because from what has been said in the thread it seems doubtful. I literally just said it does, yes.
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Good. Will it occur within the span of the show?
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Maybe stay with me on this one you should watch the show before deciding whether or not the show is good or naming the precise ways in which it is or is not good
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Stay with me on this one: Maybe I've seen enough things that have handled this topic poorly that I have little patience for waffling. Media does not exist in a vacuum.
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I don't even know how long this is gonna be, whether it's 13 or 26 episodes or whatever. If it's 24-26 then probably? If it's only 13 then the only thing that'll come up is exactly what Chise is to Elias, which is a complicated thing.
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I would be okay if they focused on her improving life with the magic skeleton instead of her terrible past that led her to literally give up on functioning independently. Like, I'm pretty sure I don't need this story to address slavery as an issue in the world.
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Hmm bit of a shame it takes that long. I hope it runs for the full 26 then. Thanks for elaborating. E:I'd be perfectly fine with the sentiment above, but the fact one of the main characters is subject to slavery/human trafficking in the first episode kinda hangs over the show a bit. Blank Construct fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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Oct 12, 2017 23:36
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Does it though? It's not like mind-blowing thing to know that kind of thing exists in the world and it works decently to imply things about her past and mental state while also getting her in contact with snoopy skeleton
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It's a pretty heavy real world thing to bring up in a fantasy show about a young woman and a giant skeleton man learning to be friends.
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I'm so glad this guy is here to continuously post about how he won't watch the series because a single plot point is problematic.
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Blank Construct posted:It's a pretty heavy real world thing to bring up in a fantasy show about a young woman and a giant skeleton man learning to be friends. Maybe the whole reason the woman/skeleton friendship is powerful is because of the heavy poo poo that hangs over the path she took to reach that point
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E: Ah that was a longwinded and lovely response. I don't think introducing slavery was particularly necessary esp in the first episode, but I do hope it doesn't leave those elements hanging in an otherwise interesting show going by the first episode and the information presented in this thread. Mea Culpa.
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Selling herself into slavery is a pretty good way to establish that Chise considers the lives of those around her priceless and her own to be worthless. This fact is going to come up again and again and is pretty friggin important to her overall character arc in the show. Also being bought by Elias is probably the one time in her life being a sleih beggey hasn't caused her an endless amount of poo poo.
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I think my objection lies with the broader institution and Elias' complicity not really being developed after the opening, but it'll get there eventually I suppose.
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Yeah tbh I'd be interested to see what Elias' relationship with the magical(?) slave trade is too, not going to say it's hanging over the show or anything but I'm curious
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Well everyone was surprised that he showed up, so I'd imagine he's totally uninvolved with it but connected enough within magic society to hear about a sleigh beggy being put up for auction. And also to be recognized as the deer skull guy.
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I feel the need to inform everyone that Elias's head is actually a dog's skull. He hasn't got canines for nothin'.  (From the Volume 2 extras)
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VibrantPareidolia posted:I feel the need to inform everyone that Elias's head is actually a dog's skull. good doggy 
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Blank Construct posted:I think my objection lies with the broader institution and Elias' complicity not really being developed after the opening, but it'll get there eventually I suppose. Look Looooook Just trust us when we say read the manga or watch the show. Things do get addressed. The magical realm and humans who interact with it aren't painted as morally righteous people a lot of the time, hell, most of the time. Stop posting if all you are going to do is grouse about potentialities that people have repeatedly tried to be vague about in answering, otherwise you can just go read a wiki.
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Im going to go against the grain and say that even though its a cool manga youre probably not going to get what youre looking for. "If engagement with real world sociopolitical issues you desire, watch the show the wire / If instead fairies and interpersonal relationships you decide, check out ancient magus bride"
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Clarste posted:This only changes the context slightly, but I thought it was clear that she wasn't being sold as a slave, but as a collector 's item. An exotic pet. No one was expecting to get actual work out of her, they just wanted to own a rare and valuable sleigh beggy. They're getting work out of her in the sense that she's a really powerful rare magic battery
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Blank Construct posted:It's a pretty heavy real world thing to bring up in a fantasy show about a young woman and a giant skeleton man learning to be friends. A bunch of civilians are gonna get gorily murdered in the course of the story of a young woman and her huge skeleton dad so e: I'm surprised by how widespread the handwringing over this is though. Did you all gag and refuse to watch stuff like GoT and Berserk too? DisDisDis fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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