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also as a westerner thanks to egypt for not letting western civilization totally collapse, like, twice i mean i guess we had china as backup but either way, it was a fun ride before we nuked everything (because we're going to nuke everything)
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sea people are the true westerners
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Oct 14, 2017 09:44
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you can stick your semantic argument in the fridge buddy
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Oct 14, 2017 09:49
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The bronze age was bullshit anyway, all the good stuff happened a few centuries after the collapse. The same thing will happen to us!
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Oct 14, 2017 16:13
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Slaughter at the Bridge is some epic poo poo. A huge bronze age battle with professional soldiers way too drat far north in Germany to make any historical sense. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle
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I'm gonna say that arsenical bronze is way more likely for equipping an army than meteoric iron. Tutankhamun had a little tiny dagger made of it and he was one of the richest people in the world, with unusually good access to meteorites. (Because it's easier to find them laying on top of the desert sand than in a forest or prairie)
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Oct 14, 2017 16:39
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Why is it impossible they figured out how to work actual non meteoric iron? That poo poo is like, everywhere, isn't it?
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yea probably although the only nation to beat off the sea people was egypt so maybe you need iron to fight iron
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The real answer is that it took like 800 years of metallurgy to make iron, especially armor, that was as good as bronze. But yeah, iron is easy to get.
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Oct 14, 2017 16:48
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Iron had nothing to do with the bronze age collapse. It only became widely used after the collapse and bronze continued to be used alongside it for many centuries.
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wide stance posted:Slaughter at the Bridge is some epic poo poo. A huge bronze age battle with professional soldiers way too drat far north in Germany to make any historical sense. This is an awesome read
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Oct 14, 2017 16:52
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In my head canon the Sea People were Deep Ones and they ate all the Mediterranean Gods, who existed for real, and that's why the world sucks now. But at least none of the women you know were raped by Zeus turning into a Swam or an iPhone, so I guess we're even.
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Oct 14, 2017 16:54
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Meteoric iron doesn't really factor into this, by the late bronze age not only were bronze alloys stronger than meteoric iron, but a method for small scale smelting of terrestrial iron was created by the Hittite's and known in most all of the affected cultures. The Egyptians knew it and were notable in their disdain for iron, preferring and sticking to bronze all the way until the neo-assyrian conquest well into the iron age.
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Oct 14, 2017 16:55
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Seriously though, the bronze age people were heathens and that's why they were rightfully punished. The same thing is happening today.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:03
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How does this confirm the myths am I missing something? We already knew Troy was real and the Iliad revolves around the greeks invading troy, rather than some kind of trojan sea people hybrid attacking the hellenes
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Oct 14, 2017 17:06
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I recall watching a documentary that basically described an economic bubble of bronze in the British isles, where the spread of better ironworking techniques suddenly rendered entire arsenals obsolete. Ancient history is awesome.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:07
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basic hitler posted:Why is it impossible they figured out how to work actual non meteoric iron? That poo poo is like, everywhere, isn't it? *waggles pig iron sword at you, breaks under own weight* the metallurgy of iron is complicated. there's iron ore all over the drat place but turning it into something useful for war is difficult, and requires a lot of infrastructure and expertise compared to bronze's Make Rocks Hot
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buckets of buckets posted:How does this confirm the myths am I missing something? We already knew Troy was real and the Iliad revolves around the greeks invading troy, rather than some kind of trojan sea people hybrid attacking the hellenes It doesn't really confirm anything, but we have some Hittite letters that speak of Wilusa (Ilion is another name for Troy and gave the Iliad its name), Piyama-Radu (kind of sounds like Priam) and Aleksandu (Paris is also named Alexander in the Iliad) but they have very different roles than in the Iliad, as Piyama-Radu was some sort of warlord and Aleksandu was king of Wilusa. The Hittites also speak of a kingdom of Ahhiyawa (Homer calls the Greeks Achaioi) in the West and they were sometimes in conflict with these people. So it seems likely that the Iliad and Odyssey preserve a distant memory of a real conflict, but with the details garbled over the years and of course whatever the conflict in question was it's unlikely gods played any role in it.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:22
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Grevling posted:The bronze age was bullshit anyway, all the good stuff happened a few centuries after the collapse. The same thing will happen to us! It's kind of like how retarded dinosaurs would still rule the earth if a meteor hadn't hit the earth during a period of catastrophic volcanism and wiped them all out. Stability never produces great leaps forward. This is why I voted for president Donald Trump of the United States of America. See you all on the other side
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Oct 14, 2017 17:25
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Good shot op. These "sea" "people" will no doubt return one day and it's up to us to be ready for them. ((sea people))
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Oct 14, 2017 17:28
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My guess is that Sea People were proto-Carthaginians.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:33
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It was probably several unrelated groups wandering around due to weather patterns changing.
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Iron weapons aren't superior they're just cheap. If you could do iron you had more weapons. I think the sea people were just mercenaries turned pirates. They smashed a bunch of stuff, stole everything they could carry, and went back to getting drunk in the mountains.
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Rationale posted:Iron weapons aren't superior they're just cheap. If you could do iron you had more weapons. Farmers retreated into the mountains to escape the sea peoples. Change your hypothesis to getting drunk at sea like true pirates and it's good.
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Shout out to the Dorians in the house.quote:Despite nearly 200 years of investigation, the historicity of a mass migration of Dorians into Greece has never been established, and the origin of the Dorians remains unknown. Some have linked them or their victims with the emergence of the equally mysterious Sea Peoples. The meaning of the phrase "Dorian invasion" as an explanation for the cultural break after the Mycenaean period has become to some degree amorphous. Investigations into it have served mainly to rule out various speculations, though the possibility of a real Dorian invasion remains open. Half-remembered history is awesome. It's amazing what people come up with to fill in the gaps/explain poo poo. See also.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:58
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thanks op i've never read that wikipedia article before. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Erghh posted:Shout out to the Dorians in the house. Dorians were like modern day Conservatives. They correspond.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:13
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buckets of buckets posted:lol if you dont think ares started ww2 but artemis won it lol it was zeus' will that hitler invade russia lmao it was destined
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Oct 14, 2017 18:45
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Grevling posted:Dorians were like modern day Conservatives. They correspond. I can see that. So the question is who was bronze age Trump?
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Erghh posted:I can see that. If he wasn't too early for the collapse I'd say Shuppiluliuma.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:08
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I am GOD of the sea people. Master of their great sunken empire.
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Grevling posted:If he wasn't too early for the collapse I'd say Shuppiluliuma. The second one? That could probably work. Assuming this video was in the older thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMP328eU5Q
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Oct 14, 2017 20:17
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P obvious that the sea people were the monstrous creations of Yakub.
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Oct 14, 2017 20:35
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Grevling posted:Seriously though, the bronze age people were heathens and that's why they were rightfully punished. The same thing is happening today. Actually the Bronze Age ancient Mesopotamian pantheon rules.
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Oct 14, 2017 21:58
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The Bronze Age Collapse was merely the wrath of Yahweh and the sea people were misunderstood angels wreaking havoc on the heathen lands.
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Oct 14, 2017 23:03
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That Robot posted:Actually the Bronze Age ancient Mesopotamian pantheon rules. Ishtanna was vengeful when mortals wouldn't have sex with her. Well, who's having sex with her now??
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Oct 14, 2017 23:28
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Wilusa was the name of their space ship
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Oct 14, 2017 23:44
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Grevling posted:Ishtanna was vengeful when mortals wouldn't have sex with her. Well, who's having sex with her now?? Harvey Weinstein
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i think the sea peoples shouldnt have done the things they did
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