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Very weird that a bunch of people on a random comedy website message board are super knowledgeable about the bronze age.
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The Dennis System posted:Very weird that a bunch of people on a random comedy website message board are super knowledgeable about the bronze age. We are the Sea People, we retreated back under the sea to shitpost.
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Oct 15, 2017 00:03
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I fondly remember the ITT Bronze Age Collapse thread. Someone posted lines of the Illiad along with pictures of Mycenaean armour and it was really cool to see that the descriptions of boar tusk helmets and the like were dead on. It was pointed out that the only part of a Mycenaean noble (i.e Achilles) that wasn't covered in bronze armour was the heels. Very cool.
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Oct 15, 2017 00:07
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The Dennis System posted:Very weird that a bunch of people on a random comedy website message board are super knowledgeable about the bronze age. if you've been paying attention to this beloved forum you might notice that we have a few threads going back a few years talking about the sea people because it's drat cool mystery history
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Oct 15, 2017 00:15
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http://ancientworldpodcast.blogspot.com/ Is a very good, and EXTREMELY LONG podcast regarding ancient history. If you have hundreds of hours to waste, or a specific interest, give it a listen.
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Oct 15, 2017 00:29
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The Sea People Did Nothing Wrong
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Oct 15, 2017 00:31
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basic hitler posted:if you've been paying attention to this beloved forum you might notice that we have a few threads going back a few years talking about the sea people because it's drat cool mystery history Blurry Gray Thing posted:We are the Sea People, we retreated back under the sea to shitpost. I wasn't trying to be critical, mind you. It's impressive that you guys know all this stuff.
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Oct 15, 2017 00:32
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Here is a really good hour long video about possible causes of the Bronze Age collapse on YouTube if anyone's interested, he talks a lot about the interconnected economy of the whole region being necessary to finance Bronze production and how fragile the whole thing was https://youtu.be/bRcu-ysocX4 
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Oct 15, 2017 00:56
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naem posted:Here is a really good hour long video about possible causes of the Bronze Age collapse on YouTube if anyone's interested, he talks a lot about the interconnected economy of the whole region being necessary to finance Bronze production and how fragile the whole thing was The book by the same title is really good.
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Oct 15, 2017 01:15
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naem posted:Here is a really good hour long video about possible causes of the Bronze Age collapse on YouTube if anyone's interested, he talks a lot about the interconnected economy of the whole region being necessary to finance Bronze production and how fragile the whole thing was very pro click
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Oct 15, 2017 01:21
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Randaconda posted:The book by the same title is really good. Seconding. One of the best books on the period. Can someone briefly explain how Palace-based economies worked? It's one of the things from the period I can't wrap my head around.
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Oct 15, 2017 02:30
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Just watched that youtube. Wanna enrol in that guy's classes.
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Oct 15, 2017 04:01
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:With only spooty records available from that time it's difficult to know how they made war. For example we know they used both sonic and psionic weaponry but we don't know in what ratio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8WhOOmVOpY
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Oct 15, 2017 04:44
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poverty goat posted:It's kind of like how retarded dinosaurs would still rule the earth if a meteor hadn't hit the earth during a period of catastrophic volcanism and wiped them all out. Stability never produces great leaps forward. Its longer than you think!
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Oct 15, 2017 04:47
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The worship of Inanna/Ishtar, which was prevalent in Mesopotamia could involve wild, frenzied dancing and bloody ritual celebrations of social and physical abnormality. It was believed that "nothing is prohibited to Inanna", and that by depicting transgressions of normal human social and physical limitations, including traditional gender definition, one could cross over from the "conscious everyday world into the trance world of spiritual ecstasy."
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Oct 15, 2017 04:48
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FuhrerHat posted:yea probably Or maybe you just need a sexy merman disguise.
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Oct 15, 2017 05:09
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I can't fall asleep now until I know the end: why did it collapse? I'll wait.
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Oct 15, 2017 05:22
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i know the time lines dont line up, but i still say iron weapons killed the bronze age. it makes perfect sense, ironworking is the ultimate disruptive technology. to make bronze requires extensive trade routes and developed civilization, but any hillbilly in the back woods can smelt bog iron. suddenly the fringe people can make weapons, when before only the powerful could afford them. recipe for disaster
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Oct 15, 2017 05:35
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Rutibex posted:i know the time lines dont line up, but i still say iron weapons killed the bronze age. it makes perfect sense, ironworking is the ultimate disruptive technology. to make bronze requires extensive trade routes and developed civilization, but any hillbilly in the back woods can smelt bog iron. suddenly the fringe people can make weapons, when before only the powerful could afford them. recipe for disaster I think the motivation was food (crops failed too much!) and the means was iron casting. Case closed.
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Oct 15, 2017 05:44
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I think the drive to make useful iron/steel wasn't there until the tin supply (to make bronze with) became unreliable.
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Oct 15, 2017 05:57
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I think the bronze age people were decadent homosex partiers which caused the collapse.
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Oct 15, 2017 08:16
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That Robot posted:Actually the Bronze Age ancient Mesopotamian pantheon rules. Yep
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Oct 15, 2017 08:26
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i always wondered how long an (uninjured) soldier fought on average before being replaced surely this was recorded, somewhere GolfHole fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 09:13
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Pththya-lyi posted:Not quite Bronze Age collapse time, but still interesting: It feels like you have to add a lot of supposition in a story about a temple we know was destroyed in an earthquake in order to come out with an answer other than that all of the people there died when a building fell on them That or the Sea People
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Oct 15, 2017 10:29
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naem posted:I think the drive to make useful iron/steel wasn't there until the tin supply (to make bronze with) became unreliable. A smart person. Iron working is more complicated than most people think. It's not just throw a red rock over some fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrought_iron GokuGoesSSj69 fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 11:04
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Inescapable Duck posted:'Sea people' are actually just pirates Footage of them ending the Bronze Age 
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Oct 15, 2017 11:15
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Grevling posted:I think the bronze age people were decadent homosex partiers which caused the collapse. My religious grandparents and thus parents were convinced when I was a kid that the Roman empire fell because it "went against God and became corrupt." When I actually read history I realized it was more "The Romans found monotheistic religion when they were on the way out."
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Oct 15, 2017 11:18
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:A smart person. Iron working is more complicated than most people think. It's not just throw a red rock over some fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrought_iron So basically, bronze requires more materials and thus is more expensive to make, but easier to work with at the start, while iron is harder to use but incredibly useful once you figure out how?
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Oct 15, 2017 11:22
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Blazing Ownager posted:My religious grandparents and thus parents were convinced when I was a kid that the Roman empire fell because it "went against God and became corrupt." They were also very religiously tolerant when they were at their height.
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Oct 15, 2017 11:27
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Grevling posted:They were also very religiously tolerant when they were at their height. They had trouble with Jews and later Christians. Though mostly because the nature of Christianity and Judaism was so different from what was the mainstream of religion back in the day that it was near impossible to understand from a cursory look and almost looked like atheism.
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Oct 15, 2017 11:30
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FullLeatherJacket posted:It feels like you have to add a lot of supposition in a story about a temple we know was destroyed in an earthquake in order to come out with an answer other than that all of the people there died when a building fell on them I'm not really saying they definitely sacrificed that kid right before/during the quake, I just like to imagine that's the case. Why you gotta harsh my buzz
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Oct 15, 2017 16:44
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Christians and jews outright refused to acknowledge the divinity of imperial cults. The Jews were also keen to throw the romans out of Israel, and Christians were trying to actively evangelize in the empire, pulling warm bodies and therefore money away from the imperial cults and the other temples on the pantheon that ultimately funneled cash and grain and all that poo poo back into the hands of the state. They both threatened the welfare of the roman state and were persecuted for it. Christians discovered the power of martyrdom and eventually wrestled control of the state away by a few lucky conversions. this doesn't have much to do with the bronze age collapse, which was the wrath of Yahweh upon the heathen cultures of the Mediterranean.
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Oct 15, 2017 16:55
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Inescapable Duck posted:They had trouble with Jews and later Christians. Though mostly because the nature of Christianity and Judaism was so different from what was the mainstream of religion back in the day that it was near impossible to understand from a cursory look and almost looked like atheism. romans didn't give a poo poo about understanding your religion, all they cared about was doing some token sacrifices to the emperor to show your loyalty. you didn't even have to believe in it, you just had to do the physical actions. i don't think its fair to say romans had a problem with jews and christians, it was jews and christians that had a problem with Rome not that rome was 100% religiously tolerant. they suppressed the gently caress out the the drudic religion, but thats because they like to sacrifice babies so i will give them a pass.
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Oct 15, 2017 16:58
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Oct 15, 2017 16:58
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Inescapable Duck posted:My guess is that Sea People were proto-Carthaginians. not a bad guess really. maybe phonecians
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Oct 15, 2017 17:01
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I don't think the sea peoples belonged to one ethnicity. It's hard to say though. The Egyptians mention a group of sea people called Peleset who may be the biblical Philistines, and the Philistines seem to have something in common with people living in the Aegean at the time. Did DP cause the bronze age collapse? Yes, says prominent archaeologists. Grevling fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 17:10
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Blazing Ownager posted:Footage of them ending the Bronze Age seems like itd be hard on the knees
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Oct 15, 2017 17:17
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Does anybody have the link to the old thread?
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Rome liked to integrate other culture's pantheons into their own. Oh you have a storm god too? Thats cool, hes just an aspect of Zeus, so worship him whatever just pay your taxes. Judaism (and subsequently Christianity) is big on the whole "thou shalt not have other gods before me" thing and it caused a lot of friction.
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