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Inescapable Duck posted:So basically, bronze requires more materials and thus is more expensive to make, but easier to work with at the start, while iron is harder to use but incredibly useful once you figure out how? Yes exactly. Bronze also doesn't rust and can be reused; its not as strong as steel but after a battle you can pick up the broken pieces of damaged gear and melt it down and pour into a mold for more swords etc Iron is like everywhere though and once people were forced (from lack of tin to make bronze with) to try to make crude steel (iron is soft and alloying/hardening it takes crazy high temperatures) they realized EVERYONE could have metal tools/weapons
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Randaconda posted:Does anybody have the link to the old thread? I think this is it https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3741026
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It was dorians Duh
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naem posted:Here is a really good hour long video about possible causes of the Bronze Age collapse on YouTube if anyone's interested, he talks a lot about the interconnected economy of the whole region being necessary to finance Bronze production and how fragile the whole thing was Pretty cool way to while away a lazy Sunday
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Eric Cline is cool.
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naem posted:Yes exactly. Bronze also doesn't rust and can be reused; its not as strong as steel but after a battle you can pick up the broken pieces of damaged gear and melt it down and pour into a mold for more swords etc A more recent thing could be aluminium; it used to literally be more valuable than gold, and so hard to get it was actually obscure (and possibly the inspiration for Tolkein's Mithril). Then suddenly they discovered they could process it from bauxite, and it became used for everything, especially cheap disposable/recyclable containers.
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Pththya-lyi posted:I'm not really saying they definitely sacrificed that kid right before/during the quake, I just like to imagine that's the case. tbf mostly I just enjoyed the mental image of a gaggle of archaeologists digging up a guy with massive crush injuries and immediately deciding that temple of doom was a documentary if I spend 100k learning to dig up pottery you better believe that everything I find is going to be from a death cult
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Oct 15, 2017 21:25
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Sea Peoples were the original deus ex machina.
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I sat on it. Sorry.
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what did the romans ever do for us
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poverty goat posted:what did the romans ever do for us Invented some funny looking numbers
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poverty goat posted:what did the romans ever do for us stabbing
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FullLeatherJacket posted:tbf mostly I just enjoyed the mental image of a gaggle of archaeologists digging up a guy with massive crush injuries and immediately deciding that temple of doom was a documentary Archaeologists are so prone to this there's frequent jokes in sci-fi and post-apocalyptic settings of future people assuming Mickey Mouse and Goofy were animal-headed gods.
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Senor Dog posted:The worship of Inanna/Ishtar, which was prevalent in Mesopotamia could involve wild, frenzied dancing and bloody ritual celebrations of social and physical abnormality. It was believed that "nothing is prohibited to Inanna", and that by depicting transgressions of normal human social and physical limitations, including traditional gender definition, one could cross over from the "conscious everyday world into the trance world of spiritual ecstasy." Yeah Inanna/Ishtar rules. She’s one of my favorite mythological entities because she doesn’t give a gently caress and parties all the time.
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Randaconda posted:The book by the same title is really good. Seconded
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poverty goat posted:what did the romans ever do for us They produced ancient shitposters, like Catullus, a famous Roman poet, who really knew how to lay it on thick, as shown below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catullus_16 posted:Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo ("I will sodomize you and face-gently caress you") is the first line, sometimes used as a title, of Carmen 16 in the collected poems of Gaius Valerius Catullus (c. 84 BC – c. 54 BC). The poem, written in a hendecasyllabic (11-syllable) meter, was considered so explicit that a full English translation was not published until the late twentieth century. The first line has been called "one of the filthiest expressions ever written in Latin—or in any other language, for that matter." Emphasis mine. I think it's still pretty funny even to this day. I do hope there's a bunch of archives of documents from the Bronze Age that just haven't been found yet, filled with cultural information or at least more literature of some sort.
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That Robot posted:Yeah Inanna/Ishtar rules. She’s one of my favorite mythological entities because she doesn’t give a gently caress and parties all the time. It's entirely unsurprising that typically non-spiritual people are easily enticed by hedonistic cults
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swards https://youtu.be/8VApzdlG4wo https://youtu.be/ngjMtzJ6xgQ https://youtu.be/ym7pSgT_Reg
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That Robot posted:They produced ancient shitposters, like Catullus, a famous Roman poet, who really knew how to lay it on thick, as shown below: Emphasis mine. I think it's still pretty funny even to this day. [/quote] An inspiration. We studied him in troll school
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Does anyone know more details about the mysterious sea peoples that killed all the bronzeys off?
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They probably smelled salty
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Johnny Aztec posted:They probably smelled salty Sea men usually do
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Were Aztecs and Mayans a bronze age civilization?
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Hihohe posted:Were Aztecs and Mayans a bronze age civilization? no, the Mayans were around about the same time as the Roman Empire. well into the iron age in europe. the maya had some primative metal working, gold/silver/copper. stuff that is easily worked, but mostly for jewelry not weapons/tools
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Here's something i've often wondered about polytheistic religions: Were all of the different temples dedicated to a specific god part of the same system? Like if I go to a city and there's a temple to Ishtar, and then I go to another city and there's another temple to Ishtar, are these two temples connected? Do they communicate, send letters to each other? If you're a priest in one temple, can you get transferred to another?
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This is an awesome subject and it amazes me of the extent of some goons' knowledge. I played Age of Empires when it came out.  GBS: Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
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Rutibex posted:no, the Mayans were around about the same time as the Roman Empire. well into the iron age in europe. yeah, preclassic, classic and postclassic mayans lasted thousands of years starting around 2000BC, hitting high gear around the fall of Rome, and lasting well into medieval times. the aztecs were contemporaries of the renaissance, which is weird to think about. the thing about the mesoamerican states is that its hard to tell where one ended and another began, in a timescale sense. olmec, zapotec, mayan, toltec, aztec, etc. they all have rough beginning and ending estimates, but the only one that has a clean break of a beginning is the aztecs. Blue Raider fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Blue Star posted:Here's something i've often wondered about polytheistic religions: Pretty sure religions were only loosely centralized. Local cults might kick up some tithe money to a main chapter, but I think it was pretty disparate overall. That's why you get, for instance, Ishtar/Astarte/Ashtaroth. Goons feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Blue Star posted:Here's something i've often wondered about polytheistic religions: Depends wildly on the religion, and where you are, I imagine. The state religion in Rome, for example, might be centralised under a Chief Priest, who in some cases is the Emperor himself, and have some measure of centralisation as part of the government. Something similar would probably apply for the Caliphate later. And of course, plenty of places where the king is also considered a god, and is thus on top of the religious heirarchy, though how much they are personally involved in it may vary. Temples that worship the same god or practices might at least in theory be in touch, and if a temple is in need of a new priest then they might send a messenger to ask and an acolyte might travel to set up shop there, at the very least. Although there might be as much rivalry or conflict over different practices and interpretations. (as there is ever) Should be noted that with polytheistic religions, you'd often have different levels of participation; people visiting to pray and offer sacrifices for things under the god's domain; whether a sacrifice to Mercury for safe travel, to Neptune for a safe and swift voyage, and so on; and then the inner cult for worshippers dedicated to that particular god and temple, which ranges from outright cults to something resembling a fraternity. (Which I'm pretty sure take at least superficial inspiration from mystery cults, hence being 'Greeks') I'm not sure if the Catholic church has any precedent for being an explicit religious organisation that crosses national boundaries with its own hierarchy and management.
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I love threads like this. I feel one of the best ways to understand history is to try and get a feel for what it was like to live in that day and age, how things were different (or similar) to modern life and what views on the world might have been like.
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The seas people were ancient imperial koreans raiding everyone else.
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thakns anime man
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The thing to remember about these earlier cults, like in Mesopotamian cities and mainstream Greek and Roman religion, is that most worship was done collectively by offering prayers and sacrifices on behalf of the whole city. It was communal religion in a way that's almost gone now. The idea was to keep the gods satisfied so bad things didn't happen, it was like a mix between paying for insurance and a protection racket. If you look at how much ancient Athens spent on religion each year you get a sense of how important it was. I don't have the figure on me now though. People also had their own household gods and superstitions, but even then they would often ask them to protect the family rather than the individual. Later on you'd get cults that were more focused on the individual's personal development and deliverance, Christianity being one of them.
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could i successfully be an apathetic alcoholic in the bronze age? were there bars? if so what time did they close?
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Inescapable Duck posted:The state religion in Rome, for example, might be centralised under a Chief Priest, who in some cases is the Emperor himself, and have some measure of centralisation as part of the government. Pope's also the oldest extant elected official, according to oral tradition, the position of Pontifex Maximus was voted upon even back in "prehistoric" times.
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FuhrerHat posted:could i successfully be an apathetic alcoholic in the bronze age? were there bars? if so what time did they close? in this very thread theres a post about carthage selling counterfeit greek wine
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I'm reminded of my (drunken, obviously) idea about Grog, the Prehistoric Alcoholic, the world's first caveman wino.
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Bacontotem posted:The seas people were ancient imperial koreans raiding everyone else. 
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm reminded of my (drunken, obviously) idea about Grog, the Prehistoric Alcoholic, the world's first caveman wino. He and his buddy Magrog had many adventures.
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