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The bronze age was bullshit anyway, all the good stuff happened a few centuries after the collapse. The same thing will happen to us!
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Iron had nothing to do with the bronze age collapse. It only became widely used after the collapse and bronze continued to be used alongside it for many centuries.
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Oct 14, 2017 16:51
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Seriously though, the bronze age people were heathens and that's why they were rightfully punished. The same thing is happening today.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:03
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buckets of buckets posted:How does this confirm the myths am I missing something? We already knew Troy was real and the Iliad revolves around the greeks invading troy, rather than some kind of trojan sea people hybrid attacking the hellenes It doesn't really confirm anything, but we have some Hittite letters that speak of Wilusa (Ilion is another name for Troy and gave the Iliad its name), Piyama-Radu (kind of sounds like Priam) and Aleksandu (Paris is also named Alexander in the Iliad) but they have very different roles than in the Iliad, as Piyama-Radu was some sort of warlord and Aleksandu was king of Wilusa. The Hittites also speak of a kingdom of Ahhiyawa (Homer calls the Greeks Achaioi) in the West and they were sometimes in conflict with these people. So it seems likely that the Iliad and Odyssey preserve a distant memory of a real conflict, but with the details garbled over the years and of course whatever the conflict in question was it's unlikely gods played any role in it.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:22
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Rationale posted:Iron weapons aren't superior they're just cheap. If you could do iron you had more weapons. Farmers retreated into the mountains to escape the sea peoples. Change your hypothesis to getting drunk at sea like true pirates and it's good.
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Oct 14, 2017 17:56
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Erghh posted:Shout out to the Dorians in the house. Dorians were like modern day Conservatives. They correspond.
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Oct 14, 2017 18:13
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buckets of buckets posted:lol if you dont think ares started ww2 but artemis won it lol it was zeus' will that hitler invade russia lmao it was destined
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Oct 14, 2017 18:45
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Erghh posted:I can see that. If he wasn't too early for the collapse I'd say Shuppiluliuma.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:08
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That Robot posted:Actually the Bronze Age ancient Mesopotamian pantheon rules. Ishtanna was vengeful when mortals wouldn't have sex with her. Well, who's having sex with her now??
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Oct 14, 2017 23:28
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I think the bronze age people were decadent homosex partiers which caused the collapse.
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Oct 15, 2017 08:16
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Blazing Ownager posted:My religious grandparents and thus parents were convinced when I was a kid that the Roman empire fell because it "went against God and became corrupt." They were also very religiously tolerant when they were at their height.
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Oct 15, 2017 11:27
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I don't think the sea peoples belonged to one ethnicity. It's hard to say though. The Egyptians mention a group of sea people called Peleset who may be the biblical Philistines, and the Philistines seem to have something in common with people living in the Aegean at the time. Did DP cause the bronze age collapse? Yes, says prominent archaeologists. Grevling fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 17:10
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Eric Cline is cool.
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Oct 15, 2017 18:39
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The thing to remember about these earlier cults, like in Mesopotamian cities and mainstream Greek and Roman religion, is that most worship was done collectively by offering prayers and sacrifices on behalf of the whole city. It was communal religion in a way that's almost gone now. The idea was to keep the gods satisfied so bad things didn't happen, it was like a mix between paying for insurance and a protection racket. If you look at how much ancient Athens spent on religion each year you get a sense of how important it was. I don't have the figure on me now though. People also had their own household gods and superstitions, but even then they would often ask them to protect the family rather than the individual. Later on you'd get cults that were more focused on the individual's personal development and deliverance, Christianity being one of them.
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Oct 17, 2017 07:56
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm reminded of my (drunken, obviously) idea about Grog, the Prehistoric Alcoholic, the world's first caveman wino. He and his buddy Magrog had many adventures.
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Oct 17, 2017 08:21
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wide stance posted:I still find it ironic that the only hard* evidence of a large bronze age battle is way the heck north of civilization, of which no account of history can make any sense of. The dates apparently don't match but here's what I want to believe happened: it's around the time of the bronze age collapse and the ruling elites all over Europe, whose power base derives from trade with the Mediterranean, are suddenly not having any traders show up and so a big expedition is sent out to figure out what the gently caress is going on. The site of the battle is as far as they came.
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Oct 23, 2017 19:56
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Maybe they didn't have ocean going boats. Or maybe they were just tourists interested in the German countryside. I now think it's that.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:22
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All mythical stories of heroes battling "dragons" can actually be rationally explained as fights with giant snakes.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:33
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:We need a new thread to talk about how cool Ötzi was. They probably lured him into that glacier because it was the only was they could ever hope to kill him.
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Oct 24, 2017 16:22
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ArmZ posted:I was going to ask about him. was he from the bronze age? He was a Neolithic man. He had a copper axe though.
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Oct 24, 2017 20:25
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Yeah, they were extinct at 1700 BC, which means that there were still mammoths around when people started building pyramids in Egypt.
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Oct 24, 2017 21:04
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Randaconda posted:Wasn't it the dwarf mammoth that was still hanging out on some islands? Yes, they were smaller and lived on Wrangel island. Russians still collect mammoth tusks there for ivory.
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Oct 25, 2017 07:29
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This guy's channel is a goddamn pro-click. Also recommend the book 1177 BC, it's a blast to read.
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Nov 16, 2017 15:12
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He's charismatic but unfortunately he's flippant and his hot takes are often pretty far off.
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Nov 16, 2017 23:50
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I wonder if the motif on that gem is from some kind of myth or if it's just a generic scene of war. My money is on the former. I suppose it would be too much of ask of them to just carve E-RA-KLE-WE or something on the back, stupid dang Myceneans.
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Nov 17, 2017 12:26
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Vaginal Vagrant posted:If you think about it, just by having balls you're teabagging the history of the future. Only if you dip your balls in a womb so you'll have descendants. Rime posted:Oh, hey, new tablets! That's awesome! Hopefully it will be possible to read some of them. Speaking of cuneiform, has anyone linked to a video of Irving Finkel yet? That guy rocks (and clays). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fkpZSnz2I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOwP0KUlnZg
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Baronjutter posted:I was at some ruins in CZ from like 1000ad and they had a big section where they encouraged you to touch these big old stone tombs and carvings to really connect physically with history. I didn't gently caress any of it though. You insulted the Czech people gravely by not loving the stones, this is why no one likes tourists.
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