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i know the time lines dont line up, but i still say iron weapons killed the bronze age. it makes perfect sense, ironworking is the ultimate disruptive technology. to make bronze requires extensive trade routes and developed civilization, but any hillbilly in the back woods can smelt bog iron. suddenly the fringe people can make weapons, when before only the powerful could afford them. recipe for disaster
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Inescapable Duck posted:They had trouble with Jews and later Christians. Though mostly because the nature of Christianity and Judaism was so different from what was the mainstream of religion back in the day that it was near impossible to understand from a cursory look and almost looked like atheism. romans didn't give a poo poo about understanding your religion, all they cared about was doing some token sacrifices to the emperor to show your loyalty. you didn't even have to believe in it, you just had to do the physical actions. i don't think its fair to say romans had a problem with jews and christians, it was jews and christians that had a problem with Rome not that rome was 100% religiously tolerant. they suppressed the gently caress out the the drudic religion, but thats because they like to sacrifice babies so i will give them a pass.
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Hihohe posted:Were Aztecs and Mayans a bronze age civilization? no, the Mayans were around about the same time as the Roman Empire. well into the iron age in europe. the maya had some primative metal working, gold/silver/copper. stuff that is easily worked, but mostly for jewelry not weapons/tools
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That Robot posted:I still have to wonder how Plato conceived of the idea of Atlantis — if it was a distant memory of the palatial polities in the Mycenaean period, Minoan Crete, a hitherto undocumented civilization or if he was doing it for the lols. he didn't make it up, Solon told him about it man 
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Oct 19, 2017 16:33
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wide stance posted:I still find it ironic that the only hard* evidence of a large bronze age battle is way the heck north of civilization, of which no account of history can make any sense of. chew on this: we've had organized societies a lot longer than we have had metal weapons. there is 6,000 years of what we would consider proper "history" with kings and cities and all that before the bronze age. the Neolithic, now thats a mysterious age. none of that poo poo was written down of course, because writing wasn't invented yet!
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Oct 23, 2017 18:30
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Grevling posted:The dates apparently don't match but here's what I want to believe happened: it's around the time of the bronze age collapse and the ruling elites all over Europe, whose power base derives from trade with the Mediterranean, are suddenly not having any traders show up and so a big expedition is sent out to figure out what the gently caress is going on. The site of the battle is as far as they came. walking from spain to turkey is a bit of a challenge. they maybe should have taken a boat
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Oct 23, 2017 20:09
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Ratios and Tendency posted:Pfft bronze age, get a load of these guys. i already tried my man, they just dont seem interested in the neolithic. this is bronze town. perhaps we should make our own neolithic thread, maybe give it a flintstones theme?
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Oct 24, 2017 16:03
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Speleothing posted:Naw, I'm super into it. The real trick is to get people to stop talking about iron age things like Rome and Greece. no one really knows! none of it was written down or remembered. at best we can say things like "this culture makes pottery like this, unlike the culture over here that makes pottery like that". there are mass graves with weapon wounds from that period, so there was definitely something resembling warfare from time to time: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/17/mass-grave-prehistoric-warfare-ancient-european-farming-community-neolithic
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SniperWoreConverse posted:how were these made, seriously. They're beautiful. bronze melts down nice and easy, its actually not that hard. they melt a bunch of bronze and cast the entire sword/hilt in a sand/clay mix. it would look like a jagged mess when its first cast, so they then clip off the extra bits of bronze and polish it by rubbing it down with fine sand. its a lot more work to make a steel sword Telsa Cola posted:But there is nothing to prevent someone from sure you have lots of leisure time as a hunter gatherer, but you also have to carry everything you own on your back. that doesn't leave a lot of room for elaborate art or heavy tools that are not absolutely essential. people began to specialize and create different objects (like pottery) once they were settled and didn't have to carry all of their poo poo around everywhere. Edit: Though it just occurred to me, some hunter gatherers did use their vast leisure time to build monuments. They didn't carry it around though, they left them behind for large portions of the year. They were quite elaborate though, for people using stone tools who haven't even figured out agriculture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHG9URGDt6s Rutibex fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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That Robot posted:I’ll allow it. I love history in general, particularly antiquity.  wow thats really good poo poo! I though those guys could only manage those geometric patterns. thats quite impressive
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Frosted Flake posted:I know social history is usually seen as not very exciting, but it drives me crazy that there are hundreds of English language texts on everyday life in Rome or Medieval England but every other civilization might get a quick blurb on their staple food and mention that peasants were poor. might have something to do with ancient rome being part of english history. if you want to do serious history about other cultures you are going to have to learn another language. heck if you want to learn any serious European history you will need another language. history professors are almost 100% bilingual
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basic hitler posted:nobody imagines what their oils and hands can do to things., but it really is profound, especially with older things. i work in a historical archive of rare documents. we only put the gloves on when handling stuff in front public rubes like you. in the back room we just free handle the centuries old books 
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