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Josef bugman
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What are the protests about?

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Josef bugman
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Antonymous posted:

if u wanna make someone stick hard to a belief until their grave, bully them ruthlessly about it. they will either defensively never give up their original position or, if the bullying takes, let that moment define a turning point.

bullying works, watch whiplash

Bullying doesn't really work, it just leaves broken people who inflict it on others and then think they turned out okay. It requires the threat of violence and is as bullying its always aimed downward at people.

Josef bugman
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The fucker quotes his own article to claim that Left Wing Authoritarianism is a thing.

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Got to say that doesn't seem to actually "say" anything. Like where are the particulars instead of it just being based on vibes?

Josef bugman
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Does anyone have a brief overview of the communist party in Kerala?

Josef bugman
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Are there any good books, unfortunately only in English, on the post Qing and early CCP period in China? Or at least anything people would recommend.

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AFancyQuestionMark posted:

I read Search for Modern China, it was very solid imo, though tha author's "modern=western capitalist" bias starts showing towards the end a bit. But overall, I found that CCP came across very positively in this book.


stephenthinkpad posted:

Check out this lection, get the free trail for 2 weeks
https://www.wondrium.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-china

Also last Harvard Chinese history section on EDX

edit: this link is free
https://www.edx.org/learn/history/harvard-university-global-china-from-the-mongols-to-the-ming

Thank you very much. Also from what I've seen what would be the threads general read on Sun Yat-Sen?

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crepeface posted:

that's super interesting from the perspective of all the discussion of anthropology in the ukraine thread that got kicked off from the excerpts of "Weaponizing Anthropology" that gradenko posted. quoting this post from FF as a link to the discussion there

See I am unsure around this. I will admit my reading is limited and that the idea of needing to "teach" modesty is made up horseshit done by pervs, but I think that there most likely were differences in sexual practice in Polynesia and saying there wasn't takes more from the reactionary end of Anthropology that tries to argue "no differences, everyone was just like the anglosphere and we defo didn't import a whole load of our hang ups to people". Though if someone better read than me argues otherwise I'd have to look into it.

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That's fair. I appreciate both points made here! I must have read the intent wrong in the quoted post.

Though I do think the idea of "original" cultures is an impossibility. All we usually end up catching is snapshots, even of our own cultures and lives.

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Tankbuster posted:

modi is also withdrawing winning candidates in upcoming elections to fill them with his cronies that have no bases in the area.

Why? Is he convinced he's going to win, or is it just a hail Mary play?

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Quick thing but does anyone know what is going on in Myanmar? It appears to be in a civil war and I haven't been able to read up much about it.

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crepeface posted:



who's a bad enough dude to watch this

Isn't it mainly by doing things popular with some subsections of the people whilst also not pissing anyone else of too bad/ actually doing anti corruption drives instead of just using them to target ideological rivals?

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

lol he lived just long enough to see the generation of idiot failkids he fostered start to destroy everything he worked for

Good. Also I think going "oh this monster was someone you could make a deal with" is horseshit and I hope that Vietnam and Combodia can get together to send a big jar of piss to his funeral.

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I mean it does seem a little weird that there doesn't seem to be a material reason put forward for joining the military. I suspect it's because, when it comes right down to it, it's much harder to make the argument about dying for your state when the state keeps taking stuff away from you and giving it to rich folk.

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Someone linked me an article about a crackdown on LGBTQ+ things in China. I doubt it is a central directive, but is there anything about this that I can point to?

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Yep! TBF I am not going to trust noted TERF rag the Guardian on this, but it was something I wanted to examine and get more info on.

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Danann posted:

pettis et al are here to carry on the torch of gordan chang watching!

So, in essence, the growth targets have been hit whilst "Beijing" has been ignoring all the poo poo being thrown around by experts who cannot chew gum and walk at the same time? Colour me shocked.

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What is that even based on? Is it just something that is held up as "true"?

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Trabisnikof posted:

I think it’s quite easy to compare China of 2024 with Germany 1914. Both are very prosperous industrial countries, fast emerging compared to the best countries of their time. The big difference is that in China there is already a demographic problem. Germany in 1914 had big families. China has decades of one child politics. If the whole country is dependent on one child to get grandchildren, then the society will think thrice before it shout hurra to a war. Here is a big difference between China and Russia, also.

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As a quick thing does the releasing of these productive forces mean that it'd be possible for people in China to have easier lives with less work now? I think it'd be good to see an upkeep of living standards twinned with less need for work.

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dead gay comedy forums posted:

That seems to be part of the process, yeah. There has been shifting attitudes towards labor according to Jabbour. A significant factor of what he is describing there is that, very tied to Marxism-Leninism, is the cultural transformation that follows the productive forces under socialism, so it takes a while for people to realize that increase of productive economic power in relation to their lives.

I am just hopeful that there can be better lives for people, where life isn't a constant toil.


Danann posted:

I posted some videos and tweets of the Chinese automated ports in this thread. Crane operators actually had neck and back problems which was why the machines taking over crane operation helps in addition to being efficient as long as the electricity and wifi network is up.

We can hope. I'd just prefer if life was better for people.

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Vietnam seems very against it from the looks of things. Is there still a lot of tension between Vietnam and China?

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crepeface posted:

vietnam/china announced joint patrols recently. it could just be that public opinion hasn't shifted yet. i'm really surprised though, i would think the vietnam war would still hang over opinions on the US

There was the conflict between VN and China more recent than that during the war against the Khmer Rouge.

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crepeface posted:

wasn't that like a 3 week border skirmish tho? hardly on the same level as agent oranging 3 million people

True, but at the same time any invasion is likely to be perceived quite badly. Especially when they are backing the folks you are in direct conflict with.

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I mean surely having a Communist regional hegemon would be all to the good?

I know realpolitik, but it is still sad to see.

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I do hope more is done to reduce the billionaire class and that the common prosperity results in better lives for all. But lol, lmao at the USA complaining to anyone about inequality.

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How long ago was this written? I feel like some of the theorising may be a little out of date.

It's also not helped by not referring to studies/direct information to back up it's own findings.

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fart simpson posted:

anyway the part of the book i do kinda like is the pushback on the idea that mao era china was totally a disaster. there’s stats and stuff in there showing that the mao era did advance necessary development too

I mean more should have been done to prevent problems in the food supply and I think the "5 pests" campaign is generally considered a bad idea. But I again need to do a lot more reading on teh Mao era and a lot of the early Chinese Communist leadership/ attempts.

Though I am more often concerned for individual people as well as the larger picture, because I know I am a mediocrity myself, I tend to like those among us who need a bit of help and are trying to make a better world possible.

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I just wish we could get accurate measurements of everything.

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I mean past a certain point why not just reduce the hours people work if every need is catered for and all the stuff has been acquired.

It'd be great if China could produce widespread clean energy for itself and sell it at a discount to SEAN places. Stopping deforestation and rebuilding a load of different things.

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I do hope this means a reduction in time required to work in China and an increase in taking more things back into public ownership, followed up by a less working time and even better renewable energy infrastructure.

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Why is this a bad thing? If the government was the primary person who put in the money and they are generating more and more of the stuff whilst profits are temporarily "lower" then I fail to see why anyone gives a poo poo. What is it with the idea that you need not just growth but an absurd amount of growth.

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Truga posted:

if you are log graph isn't a straight line, you done hosed up

This is the thing I don't fully get, why? Your still making money, your still rich as Creosus, why are you so loving miserable.

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So does that mean a detente between the two powers? I do hope so.

Alongside that I am hoping for a bit more freedom in terms of gender expression stuff. I'd like to not be in the UK in the future and would much prefer China and Vietnam going down the Cuba route.

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crepeface posted:

gender expression stuff?

More stuff like Cuba with folks able to marry who they want and explicit support for trans and enby folks.

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crepeface posted:

they opened a hospital for trans kids a few years ago and there's a fairly popular talk show celebrity who's a trans woman.

whenever I think about gay marriage, I think about how we (Australia) were only able to get it in 2017 after a plebiscite with 60% support.

Oh I know, but well, I'd just like it if there was positive news about another communist country being very cool as regards poo poo like this.

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I know the KMT and DPP are both primarily defined with their relationship towards the PRC, but do they have anything to separate them otherwise?

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I didn't realise that Xi Jinping was turn 71 this year. He looks younger than that.

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I'm assuming, as it is an apartment, it's not freehold and means you may have to pay maintainence for the building/ground rent?

I'm not sure how these things work in China.

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I'd prefer it if the housing was free of course, but it is nice to see that it's generally a lot easier to get things like housing.

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