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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Typo posted:

atilla was good but the problem is that it was so hard I played as eastern rome and I figured out the way you win is you let barbarisn attack your city and then you make all your men hold a line inside this one part of every city that had a single choke point and they kill like 10x their number

but then 90% of my time was babysitting those battles which got boring fast

even field battles was 90% the same since optimal way to win is to encamp and let the enemy attack you and you kill them at fort chokepoints but then it's like 90% of all battles are exact same

I just play all the games outside of Shogun with Mods. Makes the games funner. Best Mod IMO is Broken Cresent.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Dreddout posted:

Good to know your parents are tankies I guess

Better Tankies then liberals who whine about Russian interference in elections

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

they really have taken the whole capitalism thing a bit close to heart haven’t they

Well it look like Xi is going to reverse that. Cuck.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

don’t have to follow me thread to thread chill out my dude

Hey, I just tell it as it is.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Jose posted:

xi at least locks up rich people on false corruption pretenses so he's better than most leaders

:agreed:

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

hamprince is right though

Nah, you’re both always wrong.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Dreddout posted:

You don't have to be pro-xi or even a fan of China to realize any comparison to fascism is facetious :)
also.

Jose posted:

always tell hamprince to gently caress off

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

i was under the impression pener very explicitly came out in support of total authoritarianism if it’s done by leftists a couple of pages back and thus having a one party state is good and proper by his measure, and that such a system is completely democratic because all the people with the “right” marxist opinions would be allowed to do democracy

Well I mean we can't have cucks like you under socialism. Which is what Gulag system would be for.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Any good government would ensure that the propagandizers of capitalist thought get whats coming to them.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Fallen Hamprince posted:

you know crowsbeak i've really come to appreciate your frankness, so many of the other tankies put on airs but you've always been very clear about being in it for the legal serial killing

I don't support killing.

I just support giving people a chance to think things over.

Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 16:57 on Jan 14, 2018

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

pener is a lot like trump with the whole authoritarian telling it like it is thing

Remember, it is all about :decorum: people.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Totalitarianism, as defined by Mussolini, which applies to certain socialist states as well as the fascist ones, is real bad.

Thuggish intimidation (like with imprisonment or murder) of people who question your incompetent governance is also real bad.

Hey Pener, saying "things that are different are actually the same" doesn't make you deep. The truth is, you're not even shallow.

Putting capitalists in a GULAG system though, that is good.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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I would like to know why people who would deliberately work to undermine a socialist society should be allowed to act freely in it.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

Are we talking about a Platonic socialist society, or an Actually Existing Socialist Society, where the people at the top may be acting in their own self-interest?

Answer the question. Why should a society allow those whose goal is to destroy it act freely?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

I don't know what "be allowed" means here. I guess I have no expectation that anti-Maoists be left unimpeded during the Cultural Revolution. But you're asking a question of "why should," which is a question of ethics, and I'd prefer that governments didn't murder people who stood up against tyranny.

As I mentioned before, I am against capital punishment. Now expulsion or imprisonment, the first of which the founding fathers of America used quite extensively. That is fine.


Also I can see the cuck Bulolgi can't actually make a case for capitalism.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

wow, you’ve almost managed to say that killing people for their politics is bad, at this rate we will arrive somewhere near non psycho opinions sometime in the next several months

Well if someone dies in prison. That's their fault. No matter how bad the prison is. Also are you going to ever defend capitlaism? Or are you going to cry that some of us want to imprison bad people who exploit others?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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I am more optimistic. Liberalism willd ie, but democracywill in some way continue in some parts of the world.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Typo posted:

as oppose to ofc, socialism which glowed with health and vitality and was always 10 years away from replacing liberal democracies since 1917, only stopped by the lack of toilet paper in such revolutionary places such as venezeula

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Yandat posted:

just loving lol if you arent a socialist. if you understand what socialism is and dont support it youre just a straight up evil bad person and should definitely die

I disagree. Such people can be reformed, through labor.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Jizz Festival posted:

maybe expand your repertoire beyond this one "joke"

Joke?



I mean, I know there is a good chance the guy just gets exiled. But just imagine if that happened in America/

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Jizz Festival posted:

what do you think scare quotes are for moron?

Hey, why is it bad to want those who are so wrong to have to make amends for being so wrong?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Jizz Festival posted:

Because it's all you seem to care about and post about. Socialism should be about liberating people, not zealously setting the world to rights.

https://youtu.be/5AkXC5m8ueA

It more this. If you don't ensure that those who would want to bring back the vile system that proceeded it are corrected, you risk sabotage.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Jizz Festival posted:

Yeah I'm sure they'll change their minds if they're persecuted enough and that nobody else will change their mind out of sympathy for them.

It's not even good strategy.

Well, if you want to end up like Allende, be my guest.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Typo posted:

I look forward to comrade Pener's mental gymnastics in characterizing intra-elite power struggles as glorious class struggle victory for the proletariat

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Ace of Baes posted:

what if we executed...all of the CEOs?
just throwing ideas out here

We could also force them to go to trial first where we have them read tearful confessions about how they now love the system, then consider doling out punishment, or reform.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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viral spiral posted:

lmfao we are so screwed

All we need is a solution to maybe a quarter of boomers.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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LegoPirateNinja posted:

But they can't afford iphones.

I find it funny that because until like I think the year 2000 they limited who could have a phone the number of cell phones now almost outnumbers the total number of old phones.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Isn't the CPC's problem with Falun Gong date back to Falun Gong rioting becuase of beuracratic hangups in it's approval process to be recognized as a spiritual group?

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Graphic posted:

There should be a Chairman Mao (pbuh) thread where we acknowledge that he would have Xi put to death and have the entire capitalist class in the modern PRC re-exterminated. This is why we need him back more than ever.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Algund Eenboom posted:

The only good Interpol album was the first one

They’re stuff recently has been fine.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom didn't exactly disappear from history, it's just that nobody cares about it.

It is interesting how the Taiping were so progressive in some ways that only revolutionary Christian psychopaths can be.

Well that’s because even heretical Chinese doomsday cults can see that Christ inherently wanted the overthrow of the rich and powerful.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Frijolero posted:

Liberal leftists tend to agree with fascists and libertarians. AGC

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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mila kunis posted:

very strange, i don't understand it. i thought they were pro-democracy?

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1327038760798793729

Man this is a mystery.

Also if economics ran things the USA would be on a second stimulus. History cannot be ignored and neither Japan and China can ignore the past. Just as American boomers and older Xers being brainwashed on anti communism helps explain why such creatures let the USA burn.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

lol Jack Ma suspending his IPO is truly a victory of socialism. of course, a socialism where IPOs happen and a billionaire capitalist privately owns the largest company and stock markets exists seems a bit weird but eh,

I mean. Hey who knows maybe in a year he ends up having to “sell” his company and then spends a year in prison for “crimes against the state”.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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gradenko_2000 posted:

It's true that Marx was not so prescriptive about what socialism would specifically look like.


I've long maintained that "State Capitalism" is a red herring that was invented by capitalists themselves to set-up a No True Scotsman fallacy: every socialist state that failed is socialist, so socialism is a failure and is bad and we shouldn't emulate it, and every socialist state that's successful is ACTUALLY practicing State Capitalism, so it's not REALLY socialism.

It’s this. China is actually socialism or at least its early stages and it works well. Say it loud and proud to crush the right liberals.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Mantis42 posted:

Even if you believe erroneously that the party has fallen to Capitalist roaders, they still administer a country where the average citizen studies Marx in school, there is no stigma surrounding Communism, and there is a real expectation of rapid material change resulting from state action. The PRC has not succumbed to Capitalist Realism, they still exist in the realm of possible politics, and when marketization eventually falters, when the rate of profit falls as it must, and China reaches it's zenith of development, it's the only society I can see escape the gravity of neoliberalism. Face it kid, all possible paths to a Socialist future lie with Chinese hegemony.

If there is an America in 2050, it will probably still be rivals to China and also will have attempted a form of socialism with Chinese characteristics and realized its own.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:

/r/stupidpol "with chinese characteristics"

Based.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Dreddout posted:

the decline of the soviet's economy trends neatly with the increasing liberal reforms of said economy. obviously china proves this is not necessarily the case but those two states operated in very different geopolitical environments
It has a large part to do with the fact gdp going to the military did not fall below fifteen percent for a twenty three year period. Which lead to resources that could have been improving people’s lives being wasted. Followed by Gorbachev insane “reforms”.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Ardennes posted:

Considering the Second World War occurred, I disagree. If the Soviets have left reconstruction up to the market it would have been a loving disaster that would have left most of the population living in coal heated favelas.

I mean at a certain point you have to accept the Soviets until the 1970s were in an emergency situation.

Btw I have lived in various eras of Soviet housing and for the most part it is fine, it often just came down to how vast they could build it.

Also liberal reforms were the issue itself, they just never went anywhere because they honestly would at best do the same job as the current system in a different way. They could have reformed in a different way that may have been more useful but they didn’t.

Frankly I would say they could definitely have changed quite a few things in the sixties. And I would argue that Khrushchev having to go military first after he ousts Zhukov did not help.

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
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Ardennes posted:

Besides the fact that Soviet leaders should have boasted less, I would say the were fundamental material constraints to what the Soviets needed to accomplish.


I could see why many people were annoyed, but let's be honest, under our system a lot of people could wait 7 years to save up to purchase housing and end up with nothing.

Also, Kosygin had his chance, the had time and the resources to complete reforms, but what he quickly found out is just it wasn't making a major difference or if they was improved production it was only because of direct subsidies. The take away is that if the Soviet Union wanted to improve production they needed more raw capital in the first place and guess how the PRC solved that dilemma.


The reason the Soviets were stuck was because the US was rapidly pushing military spending and building missle defense systems at the same time (so presumably the US could conduct a first strike with minimal losses), I guess you could have said the Soviets should have known they were defeated and given up on competing with the West entirely and hoped for the best (it would only allowed them to survive a few more years at best).
Last part I would say was wrong. America’s middle defense system never worked. Like at that point both owned enough nukes to end civilization several times.

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