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Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

genericnick posted:

Pretty sure he's claiming the other guys are doing this

There's really no way to know now, because of all the sewage.

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Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Is this list how China should wield power with subtlety?

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013
For those who haven't seen it, I enjoyed this lecture by Gyude Moore, a former minister in Liberia, about the differences between how Europe, America and China deal with him and his staff.

https://youtu.be/P5uzxV8ub9k

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Centrist Committee posted:

I like how China has an evil, secret budget but the US is god loving and honest at less than a trilly

Imagine if $2.3 trillion was reported missing by the Chinese Defence Ministry instead of the Pentagon.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

crepeface posted:

from the ukraine thread:





[Asia/Oceania] rice cultivation (actionable threat)

I remember seeing a report a year or so ago that... 80% ? Of food in China is produced by cooperatives. I did the maths then and came to a number like 30% ? Of all global food is made by Chinese farming cooperatives.

So when you see reports by the Economist about how much of a threat Chinese farming is, that is the context you need to understand. It literally is a threat to capital if people know farming can be done in that way.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Shear Modulus posted:

real estate executives, the kind of people who have their finger on the pulse of the nation

Earlier this year I attended a lecture by a (south African) company who specialises in investing in China. Some of the quotes by the ceo, from my biased memory

"The leaders of China are visionaries and we expect the economy to continue to match their predictions."

"The vast majority, 99% of people support the government. The only people I've encountered who aren't, are the elites and property developers. Maybe that's a function of their effective propaganda network, or maybe the people are genuinely better off. I don't know."

"Investing in property speculation and most property things are dead. We pivoted our investments away from those, except our portfolio still has presence in the SOEs that do property development. There's growth and stability there."

He also had a great slide making fun of the economist. Gonna see if I can find it.

How do I upload images on here?



DancingShade posted:

It's a shame this conversation didn't happen in a restaurant so all the other patrons could clap appreciatively while the waitress gives him a napkin with her number on it.

I recently met a very liberal woman who told me her friend moved to China on a work visa. She says this friend removes the battery from his phone before discussing anything about China because when he was in China he had a "perfectly innocent" conversation with someone about the government, and a few days later got a call from the police politely asking him not to have such conversations.

All this makes me hesitant to believe that people would just openly declare their treasonous intent to foreigners, if foreigners are being watched like this.

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 10:51 on Aug 17, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

stephenthinkpad posted:

How do you "remove" the battery of your phone?

This was apparently a few years back when he was back in South Africa for a bit. He still lives in China now, rather than in South Africa, which is a nice summary of things for me.


gradenko_2000 posted:

there's an Attach File feature on the posting interface if you're on browser, but it's just one image per post

most everyone uses some other image hosting and then links it using [img] tags. Imgur is the most braindead easy one

I think it's Platinum users only? Anyway, I found it.





Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

stephenthinkpad posted:

You know whats a good idea? Strict "One home ownership policy".

Cuba caps it at two, which makes sense to me.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Dante80 posted:

These are from the last two weeks.

Chinese hospital ship Peace Ark in Vanuatu.

Then, Chinese Navy PLANS Peace Ark in Port of Honiara, Solomon Islands greeted by local people. The ship will stay here for a week and provide free medical services to the local residents.

Local residents in Honiara, capital of Solomon Islands receive medical care on the Chinese naval hospital ship Ark Peace on August 21, 2023. Ark Peace docked at the port of Honiara, Solomon Islands for the first time on August 19 and the mission was warmly welcomed by the local people



https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2023-08-22-china-donates-emergency-power-equipment-to-help-south-africa-keep-the-lights-on/

quote:

China donates emergency power equipment to help South Africa keep the lights on

The Chinese government has donated R170m in emergency power equipment and made available an approximately R500m grant as development assistance to alleviate South Africa's energy crisis.

This was revealed by President Cyril Ramaphosa during President Xi Jinping’s state visit to the Union Buildings in Pretoria on Tuesday.

“South Africa deeply appreciates China’s support in addressing our current energy challenges,” said Ramaphosa in his opening remarks.

He added that Chinese companies, encouraged by their government, responded with enthusiasm to his investment drive, which has raised more than R1.5-trillion in commitments in the past five years.

Ramaphosa, who delivered his opening remarks ahead of the state visit in the cabinet room, was accompanied by senior ministers including Naledi Pandor, Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, Kgosientsho Ramokgopa, Enoch Godongwana, Pravin Gordhan, Thandi Modise and Bheki Cele.

Xi's visit comes as South Africa and China celebrate 25 years of diplomatic relations.

Ramaphosa said China’s support during the liberation struggle will never be forgotten.

“In many ways we achieved our struggle also because of the support we received from China, so for us the relationship between South Africa and China is very special.”

China has not only been a friend but also a development partner to South Africa, said Ramaphosa.

“The recent assistance and support that we have received from China, the support that we received during the trying period of Covid-19, was enormous. The provision of PPE that was much needed at the time, we got from China at the right time.”

Ramaphosa also thanked Xi for providing vaccines and other essentials, and cancelling Africa's debt during the pandemic.

“This support extended to the cancellation of debt for a number of countries and this followed a telephone call I had with President Xi as we were discussing a number of challenges that African countries were having.”

Thereafter, Xi came forth with a number of packages and measures to assist African countries that had enormous debt.

“This is something that we will never forget, that it was at a dangerous time, and [in need], we had a friend indeed.”

South Africa maintains high co-operation with China in politics, trade, infrastructure development, science and technology, innovation and education.

“Energy co-operation is a recent development that we look to deepen, particularly in line with our respective commitments to low-carbon-resilient development,” Ramaphosa said, adding that this year saw the resumption of in-person bilateral mechanisms.

“At the moment, China is South Africa’s largest global trading partner.” In turn, South Africa is China’s biggest trading partner in Africa and an important destination for Chinese investment in Africa, with investment growing exponentially.

Ramaphosa said South Africa would like to see the significant trade deficit narrowed, adding: “The development co-operation between our two countries is also strong.”

On the Brics summit, Ramaphosa thanked Xi for supporting South Africa in convening the event.

“We share your view, President Xi, that Brics is a vitally important forum which plays an important role in reform of global governance and in the promotion of multilaterism. South Africa and China have similar views with regards to the expansion of Brics membership and we look forward to the discussions that we are going to have with other Brics leaders later today.”

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Frosted Flake posted:


Ultimately, the Confederates would not have honoured agreements over time once they recovered from a position of relative weakness.

I am reminded of Shaka Zulu. His successors wanted to try a strategy of appeasement and trade with the colonisers, and adopt some of their ways.

He was assassinated by his half brother and his dying words to him were:

King Shaka posted:

Hey brother! You kill me, thinking you will rule, but the swallows [Europeans] will do that.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Here's some data from 2019. Not sure how to do the sums for the new countries.

https://twitter.com/VuslatBayoglu/status/1694697254639042570

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 10:27 on Aug 25, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Truga posted:

radioactive sludge.

Suddenly I have an urge to make Elephant's Foot Pudding.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013
https://news.sky.com/story/people-in-china-could-live-two-years-longer-after-air-pollution-slashed-by-42-12950662


quote:

People who reside in China are set to live 2.2 years longer after "staggering" success in the war against pollution, a report claims.

New figures from the Air Quality Life Index's annual update suggest pollution in China fell by 42.3% between 2013 and 2021 - improving air quality considerably.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Tsitsikovas posted:

In my head the idea that "china struck first" is a massive lie. The US annexed the rest of NA and agitated china, who fought a defensive war through and through. Theyll never canon it but the US used nukes first before the events of 2077 precipitated, absolutely.

Someone told me that in the newest ones it's revealed that Vault Tec actually initiated the war or nukes or something... For.. profit?

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1296031.shtml

https://twitter.com/programcodebro/status/1684822221058179072?t=-OI83Nmd9810I5-VOj2Exg&s=09

Translated from Tweet posted:

Driven by Mr. Wu Wei, the Chinese contact person of the RISC-V International Foundation, recently, the openKylin community officially joined the RISC-V Foundation

I am extremely excited for OpenKylin. OpenKylin is funded in large part via Chinese SOEs, which means it is not profit-driven, but it has big funding behind it.

They are also working on various projects and had a big conference recently with many participants.

https://twitter.com/openKylin/status/1692368934534623606?s=20

https://twitter.com/openKylin/status/1692367914706288764?s=20

https://twitter.com/openKylin/status/1684853806423756800?s=20

https://twitter.com/openKylin/status/1684849287149268992?s=20

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 10:16 on Sep 5, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Orange Devil posted:

Ya I don't know what any of that poo poo means.

What if China made a free Windows using free developer tools running free apps on chips that are built on open source free standards.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Truga posted:

dear lord no, thankfully it's not a windows. it just runs an emulation layer to run windows apps

Yeah it's just a linux distro, but I'm trying to keep it simple for the non-computer-touchers

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Slavvy posted:



Rename Australia to Austria imo

Bring back Austrasia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrasia

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

I actually did move up to a new Xiaomi phone about two weeks ago, replacing my old Xiaomi from Jan 2020. The 120Hz screen is so nice, as is the 5G functionality and the longer battery life.

Xiaomi Redmi is nice low-to-midrange phones but I think I want to try a Huawei next, see what it's like almost entirely outside of the Google ecosystem.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Who is the most popular leader in human history? The one who garnered the highest support from citizens in their own country, for a sustained period?

Cause Xi has gotta be up there.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Cerebral Bore posted:

china only has the largest economy in the world that's growing way more than any competitor on average, and this is why they're poor and doomed

Demographics bro. If China keeps letting people live long and healthy lives they're going to have a population demographic that looks like Europe, which we all know is economically unsustainable, except for Europe which is stable and fine.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013
https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/1703038199260492258?t=N9xdtE7ul8DnbupME8khHw&s=19


quote:

BREAKING: The Chinese Communist Party has ordered @BlackRock executives in China to take classes in “Xi Thought” while dedicating “around a third of working time” to studying the communist ruler.

“Attendance is mandatory.”

https://www.ft.com/content/b410e920-ecaf-44ab-b4c8-602f2c42bfd8

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 17:10 on Sep 16, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Marenghi posted:

Do they know how signal jammers work?


Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

I saw an article from 2017 say that South North Water transfer project will redirect water towards Xihaigu.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South%E2%80%93North_Water_Transfer_Project

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Tankbuster posted:

Canada is mere outer heaven for indians - compared to the Kingdom of Heaven that is the United States.

Punished Trudeau. A hero denied his heil.

PhilippAchtel posted:

Okay this metaphor just has me confused.

Is Pooh a generic stand-in for Chinese people now?

Look. Dont try and make them think this through logically.

Winnie the Pooh. Tankman. Put them together. Double symbol of resistance. China bad.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Palladium posted:

at least on bilibili chinese opinion is overwhelming in support for palestine

China posts their feedback from citizens right?

I wonder how many people ask for China to be more interventionist.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

stephenthinkpad posted:

China sells EV in China (half of the world EV market), Australia, Thailand and a bunch in Europe (mostly under Tesla and European brands). I am sure there are some small countries I miss.

BYD is launching in South Africa this year, and GWM just introduced the Ora.

The amount of Chinese cars here went from zero to common in like 2 years. It's wild.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Some Guy TT posted:

smdh at the lack of wholesome content in the asia thread today



https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1712030277814583750?t=7hbCmEUbE43aTsXSDMrjCg&s=19

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1712007628992524313?t=a--ugHO2d-ImEbDpVZwMlA&s=19

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1711969881602887797?t=D2Sba_m7Mi0ayFEu35Iz3g&s=19

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1711954782372630876?t=5vz7VSd3sRQX_rhFbV4r_A&s=19

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1711916992872202543?t=Iavk4gjGJDqti2Ioa3xAzw&s=19

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

so what did he say

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-10-18/Xi-Jinping-announces-steps-for-high-quality-Belt-and-Road-cooperation-1nZX2sGNdtK/index.html

quote:

Chinese President Xi Jinping on Wednesday announced that China will take eight major steps to support the joint pursuit of high-quality Belt and Road cooperation with participating countries.

Xi made the announcement when delivering a keynote speech at the opening ceremony of the third Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation in Beijing.

To carry out practical cooperation for the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), Xi said China vows more financing support for BRI projects on the basis of market and business operation.

The China Development Bank and the Export-Import Bank of China will each set up a 350 billion yuan ($48.75 billion) financing window, and an additional 80 billion yuan will be injected into the Silk Road Fund, the Chinese president announced.

Xi also revealed that the CEO Conference during the Forum held on Tuesday saw the conclusion of agreements worth $97.2 billion.

China will also support an open world economy through measures such as establishing pilot zones for Silk Road e-commerce cooperation, entering into free trade agreements and investment protection treaties with more countries, and removing all restrictions on foreign investment access in the manufacturing sector, he said.

To support the joint pursuit of high-quality Belt and Road cooperation, China, according to Xi, will also take steps to build a multidimensional Belt and Road connectivity network, continuing to promote green development, and advancing scientific and technological innovation.

China will also support people-to-people exchanges, promote integrity-based Belt and Road cooperation, and strengthen institutional building for international Belt and Road cooperation, Xi said.

This year marks the 10th anniversary of the BRI. By June 2023, China had signed more than 200 BRI cooperation agreements with over 150 countries and 30-plus international organizations.

"The Belt and Road cooperation was proposed by China, but its benefits and opportunities are for the world to share," said Xi in his speech.

Addressing the opening ceremony, state leaders and heads of international organizations spoke highly of what has been achieved under the BRI over the past decade and expressed confidence in its prospects.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the BRI links very well with the development of integration projects in regions across the world, while Indonesian President Joko Widodo expressed the hope that development synergies under the BRI will continue.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said the relevance of the BRI is undeniable in the midst of the challenges facing the world today.

Votskomit has issued a correction as of 12:57 on Oct 18, 2023

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1631886173864861696

tl;dr building this socialism thing is long and hard as can be seen by the dialogue between the PRC and the NLF of Yemen

Fascinating, thank you.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

stephenthinkpad posted:

I think if the Soviet just limped along for 10 more years, the US would be guaranteed to pick a fight with someone else. Either a new "War on XYZ" or a financial/health crisis will break out and move the focus out of the USSR.

Maybe the Soviet couldn't have kept the "new europe" countries stay socialist, but that's a different argument.

I just wished they stayed alive long enough to help South Africa with the transition and keep Chris Hani alive. 😔

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

The podcast If Books Could Kill did a double episode on just how unscientific and useless Nudge theory is.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/nudge-part-1-a-simple-solution-for-littering-organ/id1651876897?i=1000611711937

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Stringent posted:

i don't know what nudge theory is, but if it's the same as peer pressure it's remarkably effective with the people that live here.

i'd agree that it isn't gonna do poo poo for tourists tho.

It's not the same as peer pressure.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Palladium posted:

whats the timestamp of this syq

35 minutes ago

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

fart simpson posted:

sounds like someone who follows peter zeihan. he claims chinas population is gonna be cut in half by 2050 or some nonsense

Oh my god I hate zeihan so much. He's got his snake oily hooks in a family member of mine and it's so disturbingly obvious the man is a grifty China watcher moron, and I've lost so much respect for that family member holy gently caress.

"You can predict a country's success based in Geography."
"DeMoGrApHiCs"
"China doesn't have the ability to iNnOvAtE"
"Economic growth can only happen if there is also population growth"

Aaaaaaaaaa

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Bald Stalin posted:

Name 3 things post revolution China invented that the rest of the entire world uses now. I'll wait.

Struggle sessions on discord servers, cancelling celebrities for not being woke enough, debt traps.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

crepeface posted:

wait, what? isn't it the opposite?

i always pay my hairdresser in cash

I think they mean cash is pro labour and pro privacy

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Soapy_Bumslap posted:

Sometimes I play dumb when people get stupid about this kind of thing

"What kind of evil villain stuff is he doing?"

Turns out it's all just vibes

Once I said to someone (who's a little smarter than the average lib) that I don't see the problem with a third term if it's legitimately a popular leader and faction. I asked him what is he afraid is going to happen now that Xi is presumably dictator for life.

He replied that he thinks Xi might make a policy decision that is dumb and unpopular and does great damage and there will be no one in the party to oppose him.

No actual examples of bad things. Just the idea that maybe he could do a bad thing in the future.

I asked him if his country's prime minister had ever done an unpopular and damaging thing that his party couldn't oppose.

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Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

crepeface posted:

goddamn.

can you link the article?

also lol they have to still say how evil he is

One day I expect to read an article like:

A list of China's problematically growing influence in the world:

- they deviously reunited with Taiwan through malicious diplomacy
- they self-servingly fostered peace throughout Asia and the middle east
- they cunningly used strong-arm tactics to provide African countries with cheap renewable energy and logistics
- they evilly set up sneaky global green cooperation networks to strike a blow against climate change

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